TVmike has proven untrustworthy

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So we are at somewhat of an impasse because I mailed the DVDS and I know they were mailed so it’s either 1. Your lying about getting them or 2. Out of 4 packages 1 was lost even though it was sent via Po Box to Po Box method which is very unlikely considering you got the other package which was addressed the same. Your issue you raising what address was used and “he keeps lying about a track numbers” are red herring distractions which obfuscate either that You got them and your lying Or you didn’t get them.
TvMike

Mike - If Jay says he didn't get them, he didn't. Jay is trustworthy.

Jay - "tracking numbers" from USPS are worthless unless it is Express mail.

They were probably lost in the USPS priority or First class mail as claimed, simple as that.

Mike - why don't you just send him another copy?

Chris
 
Mike - If Jay says he didn't get them, he didn't. Jay is trustworthy.

Jay - "tracking numbers" from USPS are worthless unless it is Express mail.

They were probably lost in the USPS priority or First class mail as claimed, simple as that.

Chris

I don't know about that Chris. I've been using USPS Priority for many years and have NEVER had the first problem with them. It's also the most economical way to send something with a couple of days delivery time. They will also provide shipping containers (Triangle tubes) perfect for shipping cues for free if you order them on-line. FedEx and UPS charge through the nose for a similar service and I have had problems receiving things through both of them. When I order something I always ask for USPS Priority service when possible. I'm confident it'll reach me on time and not be over charged for the delivery charges that way. JMHO
Sherm
 
Just got another PM from Mike. To paraphrase, "Poor me, no one understands me. I want to die. I'm really a good guy. Everyone else is a liar. I'm such a victim." This guy has turned out to be one of the biggest babies I've ever met. It's like talking to an eight year old who's gotten caught doing something bad. My advice to him was to grow up. I have to wonder what kind of background he came from to be such a blubbering slob. I don't even care about the DVD's anymore. I wish I'd never met this big baby. My goal in making this thread was to forewarn anyone else contemplating doing business (or anything) with this guy. I hope that if nothing else I've accomplished that.
 
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Well not to discount all the bad stuff, TV Mike I will pay $4 per copy just to pass out as gifts. If you need the money you'll ship it. Sorry for the lowball offer but I might be the only one left that will do business with you when this is all said and done.

I'd like to capitalize on a negative situation.
 
Well not to discount all the bad stuff, TV Mike I will pay $4 per copy just to pass out as gifts. If you need the money you'll ship it. Sorry for the lowball offer but I might be the only one left that will do business with you when this is all said and done.

I'd like to capitalize on a negative situation.

Hey Mikey, my birthday is coming up :)

You should buy some and gamble with them. If meat can get shipped why not DVDs?
 
Mike;

With all due respect, you have not addressed some important points that Jay brought up about how you came to DCC with no promise of being paid there, but rather, that the deal was you'd be paid from proceeds of the dvd sales.

From what you wrote above, it looks like you had a change of mind and that, after the fact, you are saying what you did must have cost you $600 out of your pocket. What's the point? Either you had an agreement that your pay was going to be coming from post production dvd sales by Jay, or not. Which was it? :confused:

You mentioned something about red herrings. Did you bring up the fact that legally, what you shot with your camera is your intellectual property? I think that even if this is the case, it has zero to do with whether or not you had a deal with Jay, and more importantly, whether or not you are honoring it.

Regarding the missing package that you said you sent to Jay's PO box, unless you have proof by way of a receipt or tracking number, you have to take the man at his word that he didn't receive it. Offering him to repurchase that order at a discount is pure nonsense.

Please comment on why, if you had a deal with Jay in advance, you changed up by first asking for $200 which wasn't part of the original deal, then why did you demand Jay pay you in advance on orders rather than sticking to what you guys agreed to, a percentage of the dvd sales?

I know you said that you need the money to survive, been hearing a lot of that around the pool world. However, I don't think this is an acceptable reason to break the terms of a deal.

You have been doing this long enough and you certainly seem bright enough to know what you were getting yourself into when you went to DCC to do this project. If you thought the way it was laid out, that Jay was getting the best of it, why did you show up?

Best,
Brian kc


This is kind of where I am on this -- did Mike have a verbal with Jay that he agreed to before hand and then reneged on? The fact that he didn't addressed the contract Jay cited and instead brought up a number of peripheral issues makes me believe: a deal was struck and not honored.

Lou Figueroa
 
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This obviously is not the first time that Mike has done bad business. I recall when his stream was not working properly and he would not refund peoples money. He kept saying the stream was fine from his end. Kept making excuses and that he was not responsible. The man is obviously broke and desperate for money.
 
Oh no u didn't Thomas !

This obviously is not the first time that Mike has done bad business. I recall when his stream was not working properly and he would not refund peoples money. He kept saying the stream was fine from his end. Kept making excuses and that he was not responsible. The man is obviously broke and desperate for money.

If this aint da pot calling the keddle black ! funny tho:lmao:
 
This thread and the ignorance and hatred in these posts is exactly the reason why I a am very suicidal at this point. See I realize you don’t want to hear my lifes story but you do want see people make fun of me and call me names and accuse me of ripping off people when the truth is the furthest from these posts. The amount of people who love to see negativity and participate in negativity in pool is the reason why I am no longer doing anything for pool. I don’t want to play I don’t want to stream and I don’t want to produce any DVDS because pool doesn’t care. The people in pool DO NOT CARE. It is this same reason why pool is doomed for a slow but very painful death.

See you people don’t even read you just join in with bitter negative comments. I never got any money for those DVDS I sent Jay. Yet there are many people which think I got money for something and didn’t send it which is furthest from the fact as possible. There are many many people who have ordered things who got them quickly. The fact is Jay helfert either got those DVDS he is simply lying about it to cause me personal damage. In so much to the point that I am very suicidal now. I don’t care about life, fighting to survive, pool, or anything I want to crawl into a ball and DIE. PERIOD. The human mind can only take so much abuse. Is this unrealistic, maybe to you it is but the pain in my mind and my heart is real.

Say for instance Jay actually didn’t get the package that was mailed via PO BOX to PO BOX I find it REALLY REALLY hard to believe 1 out of 4 packages come up missing when as I stated before the Bad Blood Box was mailed the same exact way same packaging just a few days later. So in that fact Jay you must apologize for all this negative bullshit which you have started to hurt ME personally you have hurt my feelings to an unbearable point and the pain keeps on coming the longer you do not acknowledge YOU WERE wrong for starting this hatefest thread. As I have told you in my poetic suicide note if you can apologize and remove this nasty thread it will give me faith that you actually did not get the package and you would like to help a fellow human being. I will re make the DVDS for you and send them AGAIN and then you can pay me so I may have the strength to continue to live. I will believe you if you believe me because contrary to what you keep saying no matter what is told you THE DVDS WERE MAILED to you as I told you I mailed them when I did still you insisted to call me a liar and destroy my character yet again in a public forum.

I don’t know what I’m doing with my life if I can choose to hang on because pool was everything to me and now I cannot stand the thought of helping something so negative and nasty which has since stabbed me so many times the knife is almost real.

I'll buy them at a discounted rate.

Death by AZ, that'd be some shit there. Don't hurt yourself, it only hurts yourself.

Take a chill pill and be still like any man will. I'm damn near 100% sure that 98% of the people on this thread don't give a flying **** what Jay has to say or even what you have to say. It's just a drama topic. Period. People like to ***** and moan, especially pool players. Ride it out. Short memory and thick skin, end of the day no one gives a **** if you got some shit they want to see.

TAR, Big Truck...etc they all been through it, it's called being in the public eye, ride that shit to the wheels crack.
 
This thread and the ignorance and hatred in these posts is exactly the reason why I a am very suicidal at this point. See I realize you don’t want to hear my lifes story but you do want see people make fun of me and call me names and accuse me of ripping off people when the truth is the furthest from these posts. The amount of people who love to see negativity and participate in negativity in pool is the reason why I am no longer doing anything for pool. I don’t want to play I don’t want to stream and I don’t want to produce any DVDS because pool doesn’t care. The people in pool DO NOT CARE. It is this same reason why pool is doomed for a slow but very painful death.

See you people don’t even read you just join in with bitter negative comments. I never got any money for those DVDS I sent Jay. Yet there are many people which think I got money for something and didn’t send it which is furthest from the fact as possible. There are many many people who have ordered things who got them quickly. The fact is Jay helfert either got those DVDS he is simply lying about it to cause me personal damage. In so much to the point that I am very suicidal now. I don’t care about life, fighting to survive, pool, or anything I want to crawl into a ball and DIE. PERIOD. The human mind can only take so much abuse. Is this unrealistic, maybe to you it is but the pain in my mind and my heart is real.

Say for instance Jay actually didn’t get the package that was mailed via PO BOX to PO BOX I find it REALLY REALLY hard to believe 1 out of 4 packages come up missing when as I stated before the Bad Blood Box was mailed the same exact way same packaging just a few days later. So in that fact Jay you must apologize for all this negative bullshit which you have started to hurt ME personally you have hurt my feelings to an unbearable point and the pain keeps on coming the longer you do not acknowledge YOU WERE wrong for starting this hatefest thread. As I have told you in my poetic suicide note if you can apologize and remove this nasty thread it will give me faith that you actually did not get the package and you would like to help a fellow human being. I will re make the DVDS for you and send them AGAIN and then you can pay me so I may have the strength to continue to live. I will believe you if you believe me because contrary to what you keep saying no matter what is told you THE DVDS WERE MAILED to you as I told you I mailed them when I did still you insisted to call me a liar and destroy my character yet again in a public forum.

I don’t know what I’m doing with my life if I can choose to hang on because pool was everything to me and now I cannot stand the thought of helping something so negative and nasty which has since stabbed me so many times the knife is almost real.



I don't know or care if you are right or wrong, at this point it doesn't matter all to me killing yourself is not worth anything some else has said!!

Mike you need to go straight to a hospital or call 911 and report the fact that you are suicidal and that you contemplating taking your life because partner you have some issues that are more important than anything anyone has said in this thread.

The only thing you need to be concerned with is your suicidal tenancies and nothing else. None of this shit is worth killing yourself over and by making these kinda statements you need help.

Call 911 immediately and relate your feelings nothing is more important than that phone call.

Very Respectfully
 
I'll buy them at a discounted rate.

Death by AZ, that'd be some shit there. Don't hurt yourself, it only hurts yourself.

Take a chill pill and be still like any man will. I'm damn near 100% sure that 98% of the people on this thread don't give a flying **** what Jay has to say or even what you have to say. It's just a drama topic. Period. People like to ***** and moan, especially pool players. Ride it out. Short memory and thick skin, end of the day no one gives a **** if you got some shit they want to see.

TAR, Big Truck...etc they all been through it, it's called being in the public eye, ride that shit to the wheels crack.

Yes indeed....take this advice Mikey Frost has just laid down....he is King Kong at smoothing matters like this over...that is why I call him Smooth...cause he is just Mr. Smooth!

TVMike...if you need somebody to talk to and are feeling bad please call someone...or pm me and you can call me....I hate to see somebody do something completely irrational over something so petty.
 
This thread and the ignorance and hatred in these posts is exactly the reason why I a am very suicidal at this point. See I realize you don’t want to hear my lifes story but you do want see people make fun of me and call me names and accuse me of ripping off people when the truth is the furthest from these posts. The amount of people who love to see negativity and participate in negativity in pool is the reason why I am no longer doing anything for pool. I don’t want to play I don’t want to stream and I don’t want to produce any DVDS because pool doesn’t care. The people in pool DO NOT CARE. It is this same reason why pool is doomed for a slow but very painful death.

See you people don’t even read you just join in with bitter negative comments. I never got any money for those DVDS I sent Jay. Yet there are many people which think I got money for something and didn’t send it which is furthest from the fact as possible. There are many many people who have ordered things who got them quickly. The fact is Jay helfert either got those DVDS he is simply lying about it to cause me personal damage. In so much to the point that I am very suicidal now. I don’t care about life, fighting to survive, pool, or anything I want to crawl into a ball and DIE. PERIOD. The human mind can only take so much abuse. Is this unrealistic, maybe to you it is but the pain in my mind and my heart is real.

Say for instance Jay actually didn’t get the package that was mailed via PO BOX to PO BOX I find it REALLY REALLY hard to believe 1 out of 4 packages come up missing when as I stated before the Bad Blood Box was mailed the same exact way same packaging just a few days later. So in that fact Jay you must apologize for all this negative bullshit which you have started to hurt ME personally you have hurt my feelings to an unbearable point and the pain keeps on coming the longer you do not acknowledge YOU WERE wrong for starting this hatefest thread. As I have told you in my poetic suicide note if you can apologize and remove this nasty thread it will give me faith that you actually did not get the package and you would like to help a fellow human being. I will re make the DVDS for you and send them AGAIN and then you can pay me so I may have the strength to continue to live. I will believe you if you believe me because contrary to what you keep saying no matter what is told you THE DVDS WERE MAILED to you as I told you I mailed them when I did still you insisted to call me a liar and destroy my character yet again in a public forum.

I don’t know what I’m doing with my life if I can choose to hang on because pool was everything to me and now I cannot stand the thought of helping something so negative and nasty which has since stabbed me so many times the knife is almost real.

Thanks for the PM's Mike. You are one major drama Queen! I won't respond because it would do no good to engage you any further. I think you're incapable of having a coherent thought. As for making DVD's of pool matches, forget about it and get the help you so obviously need.
 
Don't be a drama queen !

This thread and the ignorance and hatred in these posts is exactly the reason why I a am very suicidal at this point. See I realize you don’t want to hear my lifes story but you do want see people make fun of me and call me names and accuse me of ripping off people when the truth is the furthest from these posts. The amount of people who love to see negativity and participate in negativity in pool is the reason why I am no longer doing anything for pool. I don’t want to play I don’t want to stream and I don’t want to produce any DVDS because pool doesn’t care. The people in pool DO NOT CARE. It is this same reason why pool is doomed for a slow but very painful death.

See you people don’t even read you just join in with bitter negative comments. I never got any money for those DVDS I sent Jay. Yet there are many people which think I got money for something and didn’t send it which is furthest from the fact as possible. There are many many people who have ordered things who got them quickly. The fact is Jay helfert either got those DVDS he is simply lying about it to cause me personal damage. In so much to the point that I am very suicidal now. I don’t care about life, fighting to survive, pool, or anything I want to crawl into a ball and DIE. PERIOD. The human mind can only take so much abuse. Is this unrealistic, maybe to you it is but the pain in my mind and my heart is real.

Say for instance Jay actually didn’t get the package that was mailed via PO BOX to PO BOX I find it REALLY REALLY hard to believe 1 out of 4 packages come up missing when as I stated before the Bad Blood Box was mailed the same exact way same packaging just a few days later. So in that fact Jay you must apologize for all this negative bullshit which you have started to hurt ME personally you have hurt my feelings to an unbearable point and the pain keeps on coming the longer you do not acknowledge YOU WERE wrong for starting this hatefest thread. As I have told you in my poetic suicide note if you can apologize and remove this nasty thread it will give me faith that you actually did not get the package and you would like to help a fellow human being. I will re make the DVDS for you and send them AGAIN and then you can pay me so I may have the strength to continue to live. I will believe you if you believe me because contrary to what you keep saying no matter what is told you THE DVDS WERE MAILED to you as I told you I mailed them when I di

Dude....just make it rt & go on...If you really want to be put on suicide watch then I will volunteer...In fact I got a T-shirt to wear for the occassion...Got a stickman standing on a chair with a hangmans noose & and another stick figure sitting on a chair with a box of popcorn watching with the title saying suicide watch....Just do the rt thing & the rest of the world will fall back in place.
 
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