Even if only a verbal OK - the DCC could (hypothetically) say it never happened and they want their IP back.
A verbal contract isn't worth the paper that it is written on.
Joe
Even if only a verbal OK - the DCC could (hypothetically) say it never happened and they want their IP back.
So we are at somewhat of an impasse because I mailed the DVDS and I know they were mailed so it’s either 1. Your lying about getting them or 2. Out of 4 packages 1 was lost even though it was sent via Po Box to Po Box method which is very unlikely considering you got the other package which was addressed the same. Your issue you raising what address was used and “he keeps lying about a track numbers” are red herring distractions which obfuscate either that You got them and your lying Or you didn’t get them.
TvMike
Mike - If Jay says he didn't get them, he didn't. Jay is trustworthy.
Jay - "tracking numbers" from USPS are worthless unless it is Express mail.
They were probably lost in the USPS priority or First class mail as claimed, simple as that.
Chris
NO need ERIC I knew where you were coming from, don't hurt your back with those push ups
Well not to discount all the bad stuff, TV Mike I will pay $4 per copy just to pass out as gifts. If you need the money you'll ship it. Sorry for the lowball offer but I might be the only one left that will do business with you when this is all said and done.
I'd like to capitalize on a negative situation.
Mike;
With all due respect, you have not addressed some important points that Jay brought up about how you came to DCC with no promise of being paid there, but rather, that the deal was you'd be paid from proceeds of the dvd sales.
From what you wrote above, it looks like you had a change of mind and that, after the fact, you are saying what you did must have cost you $600 out of your pocket. What's the point? Either you had an agreement that your pay was going to be coming from post production dvd sales by Jay, or not. Which was it?
You mentioned something about red herrings. Did you bring up the fact that legally, what you shot with your camera is your intellectual property? I think that even if this is the case, it has zero to do with whether or not you had a deal with Jay, and more importantly, whether or not you are honoring it.
Regarding the missing package that you said you sent to Jay's PO box, unless you have proof by way of a receipt or tracking number, you have to take the man at his word that he didn't receive it. Offering him to repurchase that order at a discount is pure nonsense.
Please comment on why, if you had a deal with Jay in advance, you changed up by first asking for $200 which wasn't part of the original deal, then why did you demand Jay pay you in advance on orders rather than sticking to what you guys agreed to, a percentage of the dvd sales?
I know you said that you need the money to survive, been hearing a lot of that around the pool world. However, I don't think this is an acceptable reason to break the terms of a deal.
You have been doing this long enough and you certainly seem bright enough to know what you were getting yourself into when you went to DCC to do this project. If you thought the way it was laid out, that Jay was getting the best of it, why did you show up?
Best,
Brian kc
I also agree with what you say. In many cultures, a man will defend his honor with his life. In the pool culture, it seems that honor isn't even worth a couple of hundred bucks...
Not germane to the OP and also nonsense.
This obviously is not the first time that Mike has done bad business. I recall when his stream was not working properly and he would not refund peoples money. He kept saying the stream was fine from his end. Kept making excuses and that he was not responsible. The man is obviously broke and desperate for money.
This thread and the ignorance and hatred in these posts is exactly the reason why I a am very suicidal at this point. See I realize you don’t want to hear my lifes story but you do want see people make fun of me and call me names and accuse me of ripping off people when the truth is the furthest from these posts. The amount of people who love to see negativity and participate in negativity in pool is the reason why I am no longer doing anything for pool. I don’t want to play I don’t want to stream and I don’t want to produce any DVDS because pool doesn’t care. The people in pool DO NOT CARE. It is this same reason why pool is doomed for a slow but very painful death.
See you people don’t even read you just join in with bitter negative comments. I never got any money for those DVDS I sent Jay. Yet there are many people which think I got money for something and didn’t send it which is furthest from the fact as possible. There are many many people who have ordered things who got them quickly. The fact is Jay helfert either got those DVDS he is simply lying about it to cause me personal damage. In so much to the point that I am very suicidal now. I don’t care about life, fighting to survive, pool, or anything I want to crawl into a ball and DIE. PERIOD. The human mind can only take so much abuse. Is this unrealistic, maybe to you it is but the pain in my mind and my heart is real.
Say for instance Jay actually didn’t get the package that was mailed via PO BOX to PO BOX I find it REALLY REALLY hard to believe 1 out of 4 packages come up missing when as I stated before the Bad Blood Box was mailed the same exact way same packaging just a few days later. So in that fact Jay you must apologize for all this negative bullshit which you have started to hurt ME personally you have hurt my feelings to an unbearable point and the pain keeps on coming the longer you do not acknowledge YOU WERE wrong for starting this hatefest thread. As I have told you in my poetic suicide note if you can apologize and remove this nasty thread it will give me faith that you actually did not get the package and you would like to help a fellow human being. I will re make the DVDS for you and send them AGAIN and then you can pay me so I may have the strength to continue to live. I will believe you if you believe me because contrary to what you keep saying no matter what is told you THE DVDS WERE MAILED to you as I told you I mailed them when I did still you insisted to call me a liar and destroy my character yet again in a public forum.
I don’t know what I’m doing with my life if I can choose to hang on because pool was everything to me and now I cannot stand the thought of helping something so negative and nasty which has since stabbed me so many times the knife is almost real.
This thread and the ignorance and hatred in these posts is exactly the reason why I a am very suicidal at this point. See I realize you don’t want to hear my lifes story but you do want see people make fun of me and call me names and accuse me of ripping off people when the truth is the furthest from these posts. The amount of people who love to see negativity and participate in negativity in pool is the reason why I am no longer doing anything for pool. I don’t want to play I don’t want to stream and I don’t want to produce any DVDS because pool doesn’t care. The people in pool DO NOT CARE. It is this same reason why pool is doomed for a slow but very painful death.
See you people don’t even read you just join in with bitter negative comments. I never got any money for those DVDS I sent Jay. Yet there are many people which think I got money for something and didn’t send it which is furthest from the fact as possible. There are many many people who have ordered things who got them quickly. The fact is Jay helfert either got those DVDS he is simply lying about it to cause me personal damage. In so much to the point that I am very suicidal now. I don’t care about life, fighting to survive, pool, or anything I want to crawl into a ball and DIE. PERIOD. The human mind can only take so much abuse. Is this unrealistic, maybe to you it is but the pain in my mind and my heart is real.
Say for instance Jay actually didn’t get the package that was mailed via PO BOX to PO BOX I find it REALLY REALLY hard to believe 1 out of 4 packages come up missing when as I stated before the Bad Blood Box was mailed the same exact way same packaging just a few days later. So in that fact Jay you must apologize for all this negative bullshit which you have started to hurt ME personally you have hurt my feelings to an unbearable point and the pain keeps on coming the longer you do not acknowledge YOU WERE wrong for starting this hatefest thread. As I have told you in my poetic suicide note if you can apologize and remove this nasty thread it will give me faith that you actually did not get the package and you would like to help a fellow human being. I will re make the DVDS for you and send them AGAIN and then you can pay me so I may have the strength to continue to live. I will believe you if you believe me because contrary to what you keep saying no matter what is told you THE DVDS WERE MAILED to you as I told you I mailed them when I did still you insisted to call me a liar and destroy my character yet again in a public forum.
I don’t know what I’m doing with my life if I can choose to hang on because pool was everything to me and now I cannot stand the thought of helping something so negative and nasty which has since stabbed me so many times the knife is almost real.
I'll buy them at a discounted rate.
Death by AZ, that'd be some shit there. Don't hurt yourself, it only hurts yourself.
Take a chill pill and be still like any man will. I'm damn near 100% sure that 98% of the people on this thread don't give a flying **** what Jay has to say or even what you have to say. It's just a drama topic. Period. People like to ***** and moan, especially pool players. Ride it out. Short memory and thick skin, end of the day no one gives a **** if you got some shit they want to see.
TAR, Big Truck...etc they all been through it, it's called being in the public eye, ride that shit to the wheels crack.
This thread and the ignorance and hatred in these posts is exactly the reason why I a am very suicidal at this point. See I realize you don’t want to hear my lifes story but you do want see people make fun of me and call me names and accuse me of ripping off people when the truth is the furthest from these posts. The amount of people who love to see negativity and participate in negativity in pool is the reason why I am no longer doing anything for pool. I don’t want to play I don’t want to stream and I don’t want to produce any DVDS because pool doesn’t care. The people in pool DO NOT CARE. It is this same reason why pool is doomed for a slow but very painful death.
See you people don’t even read you just join in with bitter negative comments. I never got any money for those DVDS I sent Jay. Yet there are many people which think I got money for something and didn’t send it which is furthest from the fact as possible. There are many many people who have ordered things who got them quickly. The fact is Jay helfert either got those DVDS he is simply lying about it to cause me personal damage. In so much to the point that I am very suicidal now. I don’t care about life, fighting to survive, pool, or anything I want to crawl into a ball and DIE. PERIOD. The human mind can only take so much abuse. Is this unrealistic, maybe to you it is but the pain in my mind and my heart is real.
Say for instance Jay actually didn’t get the package that was mailed via PO BOX to PO BOX I find it REALLY REALLY hard to believe 1 out of 4 packages come up missing when as I stated before the Bad Blood Box was mailed the same exact way same packaging just a few days later. So in that fact Jay you must apologize for all this negative bullshit which you have started to hurt ME personally you have hurt my feelings to an unbearable point and the pain keeps on coming the longer you do not acknowledge YOU WERE wrong for starting this hatefest thread. As I have told you in my poetic suicide note if you can apologize and remove this nasty thread it will give me faith that you actually did not get the package and you would like to help a fellow human being. I will re make the DVDS for you and send them AGAIN and then you can pay me so I may have the strength to continue to live. I will believe you if you believe me because contrary to what you keep saying no matter what is told you THE DVDS WERE MAILED to you as I told you I mailed them when I did still you insisted to call me a liar and destroy my character yet again in a public forum.
I don’t know what I’m doing with my life if I can choose to hang on because pool was everything to me and now I cannot stand the thought of helping something so negative and nasty which has since stabbed me so many times the knife is almost real.
This thread and the ignorance and hatred in these posts is exactly the reason why I a am very suicidal at this point. See I realize you don’t want to hear my lifes story but you do want see people make fun of me and call me names and accuse me of ripping off people when the truth is the furthest from these posts. The amount of people who love to see negativity and participate in negativity in pool is the reason why I am no longer doing anything for pool. I don’t want to play I don’t want to stream and I don’t want to produce any DVDS because pool doesn’t care. The people in pool DO NOT CARE. It is this same reason why pool is doomed for a slow but very painful death.
See you people don’t even read you just join in with bitter negative comments. I never got any money for those DVDS I sent Jay. Yet there are many people which think I got money for something and didn’t send it which is furthest from the fact as possible. There are many many people who have ordered things who got them quickly. The fact is Jay helfert either got those DVDS he is simply lying about it to cause me personal damage. In so much to the point that I am very suicidal now. I don’t care about life, fighting to survive, pool, or anything I want to crawl into a ball and DIE. PERIOD. The human mind can only take so much abuse. Is this unrealistic, maybe to you it is but the pain in my mind and my heart is real.
Say for instance Jay actually didn’t get the package that was mailed via PO BOX to PO BOX I find it REALLY REALLY hard to believe 1 out of 4 packages come up missing when as I stated before the Bad Blood Box was mailed the same exact way same packaging just a few days later. So in that fact Jay you must apologize for all this negative bullshit which you have started to hurt ME personally you have hurt my feelings to an unbearable point and the pain keeps on coming the longer you do not acknowledge YOU WERE wrong for starting this hatefest thread. As I have told you in my poetic suicide note if you can apologize and remove this nasty thread it will give me faith that you actually did not get the package and you would like to help a fellow human being. I will re make the DVDS for you and send them AGAIN and then you can pay me so I may have the strength to continue to live. I will believe you if you believe me because contrary to what you keep saying no matter what is told you THE DVDS WERE MAILED to you as I told you I mailed them when I di