Two Shot Push Out - McCready vs St Louis Louie Roberts

[HawaiianEye]

I ran across this while I was doing a search on what we called "Two Shot Roll Out". This is the way we played 9-ball when I learned to play, which was only about 80 miles from Memphis.

http://www.insidepool.com/article340.html

 

[Ken_4fun]

Excellent post!

Ken

 

[Bigtruck]

I ran across this while I was doing a search on what we called "Two Shot Roll Out". This is the way we played 9-ball when I learned to play, which was only about 80 miles from Memphis.

http://www.insidepool.com/article340.html

Did you see the videos from the Country Calvin Classic last June?? It was a 2 foul pushout tournament.

Good Stuff!

Ray

 

[david(tx)]

I ran across this while I was doing a search on what we called "Two Shot Roll Out". This is the way we played 9-ball when I learned to play, which was only about 80 miles from Memphis.

http://www.insidepool.com/article340.html

Thanks for the article .

The McCready-and-Roberts show came to an end, and I couldn't wait to break down my cue stick and leave, but then four guys rushed the table and surrounded Louie. It was then that I realized that he was not washing his hands at the end of each set. When he would dismiss himself from the table, he was actually looking for a guy to lend him money to play another set by offering his cue stick as collateral, but after each set, he would borrow from another guy, then another guy, and then another guy. When it was all over, Louie owed four guys the same cue stick, and each o*ne of them was now looking to Louie for their immediate payment -- the stick. Well, Louie o*nly had the o*ne cue stick, and I knew he was in trouble. So, before things got out of hand, I quickly pulled Louie off to the side and gave him some money back, so he could smooth it out with his lenders


There is some bathroom humor out there somewhere .:smile:

 

[mincho]

... We decided to play a 7-ahead set, meaning o*ne player had to win seven games ahead of the other.

I never knew what this expression meant until now. Needless to say I don't gamble. Was Louie widely regarded as one of the best of the world at the time (I thought he mostly gambled)?

 

[tigerseye]

Didnt particularly appreciate the comment on the rules being changed because the west coast players were better than east coast...I dont know any world champion west coast players myself but a freakin ton of east coast stone cold champions....
Please name a few WEST coast world champions...i've got my list...

 

[King T]

West vs East

Not so sure about that comment myself..., but there were some strong players from the West.., Ronnie Allen, Cannon Ball, Kim Davenport, Dan Louie, Marvin Henderson (one of the best all around players to ever play), Richie Florance, Rafael Martinez, Rags Woods...,

Again, not siding with the comment, I'm a Mid-West player...,

 

[Bigtruck]

Not so sure about that comment myself..., but there were some strong players from the West.., Ronnie Allen, Cannon Ball, Kim Davenport, Dan Louie, Marvin Henderson (one of the best all around players to ever play), Richie Florance, Rafael Martinez, Rags Woods...,

Again, not siding with the comment, I'm a Mid-West player...,

Keith McCready

 

[Lexicologist71]

Didnt particularly appreciate the comment on the rules being changed because the west coast players were better than east coast...I dont know any world champion west coast players myself but a freakin ton of east coast stone cold champions....
Please name a few WEST coast world champions...i've got my list...

Dallas West? (Though he is actually from Rockford Il.)

 

[ironman]

... We decided to play a 7-ahead set, meaning o*ne player had to win seven games ahead of the other.

I never knew what this expression meant until now. Needless to say I don't gamble. Was Louie widely regarded as one of the best of the world at the time (I thought he mostly gambled)?

He did mostly gamble as most did in those days. Tournaments were just an excuse and a place of players to gather. Most games were ahead sets and maybe what was called 11 of 21 games, or races to 11.
Most of the time money was posted and rarely was one set played for all a guy had. Sessions were longer, much longer. There was also a lot of $1-20-30-40-50 per game instead of sets or races.
Those on the rail were silent and not moving.
Nobody ever said anything when asked if a bad hit was made.
The winner paid the time.
The loser did not leave broke or busted.
As far as this goes, almost everything has changed!!

 

[JAM]

Enjoyed the read! :grin-angelic:

 

[Winston846]

Great read.

This is also the way I learned 9 ball as a kid. Keith is 100% correct. Texas Express is EXACTLY what's wrong with 9 ball today. The best player doesn't always win - the luckiest one does. Bring back Two Shot Roll Out and let the best player win.

 

[JAM]

Didnt particularly appreciate the comment on the rules being changed because the west coast players were better than east coast...I dont know any world champion west coast players myself but a freakin ton of east coast stone cold champions....
Please name a few WEST coast world champions...i've got my list...

There's more to the story about that quote.

Dana Bufalo, who helps out Mike Zuglan on the Joss Tour from time to time, has a really, really funny story about a young Dennis Hatch and Keith on the road together, making the rounds. Dennis was taking Keith to all the pool spots in the Northeast, hoping they'd pocket some cheese with Keith making his debut.

I won't elaborate with all the nitty-gritty details, but to make a long story short, I don't think Keith will ever forget his so-called "salamanders" and "longshoremen" he met up in New England. It only hurt a little bit.

 

[Island Drive]

I ran across this while I was doing a search on what we called "Two Shot Roll Out". This is the way we played 9-ball when I learned to play, which was only about 80 miles from Memphis.

http://www.insidepool.com/article340.html

I cut this line from that article.............

"""""Whoever takes the shot must make a legal hit o*n the object ball"""""""

That's actually false, because the incoming player (who's not on a foul yet) can then roll out behind his opponents roll out, now they are both on one, But the first player NOW Has to make a legal hit, and if he hooks ya,well you know the rest of the story.

 

[Black-Balled]

pushout?
thats just silly.
:bash::deadhorse::duck:

 

[Island Drive]

... We decided to play a 7-ahead set, meaning o*ne player had to win seven games ahead of the other.

I never knew what this expression meant until now. Needless to say I don't gamble. Was Louie widely regarded as one of the best of the world at the time (I thought he mostly gambled)?

He was a defininte notch below Buddy/Sigel and so forth.

 

[Island Drive]

Or you could bring into play this Format

This is also the way I learned 9 ball as a kid. Keith is 100% correct. Texas Express is EXACTLY what's wrong with 9 ball today. The best player doesn't always win - the luckiest one does. Bring back Two Shot Roll Out and let the best player win.

“COLORADO EXPRESS”
Single elimination:

Five minute break between sets
Sets….best 3 out of 5….Race to 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 or 7, TD’s choice…
Lag for who breaks first set....then alternate
Alternate breaker for each set
Alternate racker for each set
Do this till match ends
Use Magic Rack
If both players are tied at two sets apiece, tiebreaker (like tennis) in effect.
Then lag for break and alternate break with first breaker breaking one rack, then opponent breaks two, and two to other opponent till the end.
Final Match race to 9….must win by 2 games or first to 11.

 

[hunger strike]

tricky internet....

I cut this line from that article.............

"""""Whoever takes the shot must make a legal hit o*n the object ball"""""""

That's actually false, because the incoming player (who's not on a foul yet) can then roll out behind his opponents roll out, now they are both on one, But the first player NOW Has to make a legal hit, and if he hooks ya,well you know the rest of the story.

This is a great point. Since I appreciated the comment, I tried to give a green rep to IslandDrive and it actually accidentally gave him a bad rep!!! If you look at it, you will see that I said good comment, so you know that I was trying to give positive feedback. Can the administrator change this??? Sorry Island drive, but I did appreciate your post....you always seem to make really good points on az.

 

[JAM]

This is a great point. Since I appreciated the comment, I tried to give a green rep to IslandDrive and it actually accidentally gave him a bad rep!!! If you look at it, you will see that I said good comment, so you know that I was trying to give positive feedback. Can the administrator change this??? Sorry Island drive, but I did appreciate your post....you always seem to make really good points on az.

I will give him some green to make up for it, hunger strike! :smile:

 

[Keith McCready]

I cut this line from that article.............

"""""Whoever takes the shot must make a legal hit o*n the object ball"""""""

That's actually false, because the incoming player (who's not on a foul yet) can then roll out behind his opponents roll out, now they are both on one, But the first player NOW Has to make a legal hit, and if he hooks ya,well you know the rest of the story.

Playing two-shot/roll-out back in the day, you could roll out, and the player would have the option either to take the shot or not. If he gave me the shot back, if I missed the whole ball, he would have the option to make me shoot it again or he could take the shot himself.

Now if I missed it again, if I missed the ball or scratched, the other player would have ball in hand. But with the any-two foul rule, he could roll out, and I could roll out behind him. And if he made a foul or I made a foul, it would be ball in hand.

In other words, there was two ways to play that. You could play two fouls by the same player, which we did back in the day, or any two fouls. It's different than just playing any two fouls.

Not many people, when you rolled out, would come back and roll out behind you. I did it, because sometimes it was a chess match, but there was a lot of times, my opponent would roll out and I would roll out to a shot that I felt that I could execute and he couldn't, whether I made it or missed it. There was a lot of times you would roll out, and if you missed the ball, you were playing a safety behind it. There was a lot of strategy to that.

When they changed the rules to this one-foul/ball-in-hand B.S. and the red circle cueball, my game went down to the 7-ball. It took a lot of your offensive arsenal and threw it in the sh*t can. It's a shame a guy can make easy mistake, kiss off a titty, kiss off another ball, and when you look up, you just got hit with a 4-pack. He gets rewarded for making an easy mistake.