Ultimate 10 Ball NOT FULL!!! 75,000 ADDED
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$35,000 added in 2011. $75,000 added this time.
Mike
Mike
What sounded like a good idea to have back to back major tournaments in the same venue I believe has backfired a bit. A big % of pro players just don't seem to have enough money to pay all the up front fees like entry, travel, and hotel, have more cash to eat and misc. Not too long ago most pros with any kind of shot at cashing had little problems getting staked. With todays economy a lot of those stake horses are not there and the ones that are only stake pros that have a high % chance to win. Most of the top U.S pros that have a good chance to cash high have sponsors, so don't need to be staked.
I agree that Bonus Ball has probably not helped the player list. I think players not having the money for back to back tournaments is at least 50% of the problem. I also think that a few pros from the player org. that some promoters and their friends went up against are not going there to get even for that. Just my take on this. Johnnyt
I agree that Bonus Ball has probably not helped the player list. I think players not having the money for back to back tournaments is at least 50% of the problem. I also think that a few pros from the player org. that some promoters and their friends went up against are not going there to get even for that. Just my take on this. Johnnyt
This is why we need to ADD more "lucks" to the game, instead of TAKING away "lucks" from the game.
Pool is such a skillful game that even top pros such as the likes of the Chris Bartrams, the Rob Saezs, the CJ Wileys have a very slim shot at winning a major event - even with such a big added prize money as this tournament - that it doesn't make sense to go due to expenses.
If more "lucks" are added where a short stop (or A players) can "get lucky", tournaments with huge added moneys such as this one would definitely filled up in no time.
Pool is such a skillful game that even top pros such as the likes of the Chris Bartrams, the Rob Saezs, the CJ Wileys have a very slim shot at winning a major event - even with such a big added prize money as this tournament - that it doesn't make sense to go due to expenses.
If more "lucks" are added where a short stop (or A players) can "get lucky", tournaments with huge added moneys such as this one would definitely filled up in no time.
I'd love to go to the Ultimate 10-Ball; however I must mind my business. If I were to hit all that I'm interested, I'd have to close for 4 out of the next 6 six weeks, and just can't do that.
A month or two notice is just not enough to plan something like this...
Hopefully next year - if they plan better.
A month or two notice is just not enough to plan something like this...
Hopefully next year - if they plan better.
My guess is he's talking about whatever may help the luck. I think DCC and Southern are getting larger fields not because of the lower entry fee, but because of the shorter races tend to give lesser players a better opportunity. In most cases, it's still the top players at the end, but the lesser players do feel they at least have an opportunity.
I've seen on other posts where some have stated they actually hoped to draw an SVB, Orcollo, etc just to say they played them, and maybe even have an outside shot at beating them.
I know the DCC lengthened the 9 ball race this year due to it being a points tourney. Not sure if that hurt the # of entrants or not though.
I've seen on other posts where some have stated they actually hoped to draw an SVB, Orcollo, etc just to say they played them, and maybe even have an outside shot at beating them.
I know the DCC lengthened the 9 ball race this year due to it being a points tourney. Not sure if that hurt the # of entrants or not though.
thats why express 9B worked, it made luck a factor, now its easy to pic the top 5 finishers almost everytime. Costs a dime to go there. play and 2 and out,brutal. people are just smarter these days.
also the prize $$$ is the same as the 80's and expenses are triple so thats laying 3-1 on the cash and not having a game you can shit out and win. Great for the top 10 guys a total disaster for 118 other guys(full board)
and its in BFE, good lord thats a hard place to fly into i looked at going $617 one way was the only ticket I could find last minute. Brutal. if it was in Atlanta with shit out rules i bet it would fill faster. it was very cool of that guy to add the $$$ no doubt, but its not $$$ well placed. IMO I'd add $$ and have to things that are proven to work.
This creates an antagonistic, cannibalistic atmosphere (say that 3 times Fast)
I've said this many times and it will continue to be true using the current "formula". Only 15-20% of the field will make a profit (in this Tournament it may be 25%).
Can you imagine going to the tournament to work a job and only have a 25% chance of getting even and/or make a profit? The tournament directors, streaming video people, referees, and even some vendors are more likely (percentage wise) to make a profit than the players.
This creates an antagonistic, cannibalistic atmosphere (say that 3 times Fast) where the "Big Sharks" eat the "smaller Sharks". This violates the rules of synergy and creates "negative energy" in the environment because 75% of the players are going home loser. And throw in 10Ball where the break is such a factor and it's brutal for the "smaller sharks". Believe me you don't want "hungry little sharks" swimming around.
I think the answer is much smaller "hand picked" fields and the rest must go through some "$100. qualifiers" to get in......this would also create better marketing opportunities and the promoter could take 10% of the prize fund and advertise the event or even get some TV Coverage if they were willing to spend 30% of the budget on TV.
I've said this many times and it will continue to be true using the current "formula". Only 15-20% of the field will make a profit (in this Tournament it may be 25%).
Can you imagine going to the tournament to work a job and only have a 25% chance of getting even and/or make a profit? The tournament directors, streaming video people, referees, and even some vendors are more likely (percentage wise) to make a profit than the players.
This creates an antagonistic, cannibalistic atmosphere (say that 3 times Fast) where the "Big Sharks" eat the "smaller Sharks". This violates the rules of synergy and creates "negative energy" in the environment because 75% of the players are going home loser. And throw in 10Ball where the break is such a factor and it's brutal for the "smaller sharks". Believe me you don't want "hungry little sharks" swimming around.
I think the answer is much smaller "hand picked" fields and the rest must go through some "$100. qualifiers" to get in......this would also create better marketing opportunities and the promoter could take 10% of the prize fund and advertise the event or even get some TV Coverage if they were willing to spend 30% of the budget on TV.
If I have the power, without a question, 8-Ball is the way to go. It is by far the most popular game in the world, with the most participants. That's a fact. 8-ball is also the easiest to watch -and easiest to identify- on TV.
There is room in this tourney because of the stupid bonus ball league if you notice how many of the bonus ball players are participating in this event there are very few!! But conviently Johnny archer has no bonus ball league until July 6th or July 7th must be nice to have a lot of power so he can attend both ultimate 10 ball an southern classic!! But yet every kisses is Butt like he is a god
I couldn't agree more. Shorter races, more luck. The top pros have locked it up so only they can win with calling shots and long races... Well, that only keeps the "dead money" away and 25 guys battle it out with only a few long shots showing up.
Make the races real short and add more luck and people who "can't win" all of a sudden can win and more take a shot.
Luck? What do you mean luck? Get that word out of your vocabulary, young man. You better get out there and start practicing for the U.S. Open. I got a lot of money invested in you. In the words of Jean Balukas: Beat me with talent, not luck.
Now get out there and hit some balls. Don't let me down. I want you to be in tip-top shape at the Riviera. I've marked it on my calender ---> HERE
Now we're talking. I love that kind of talk. I hope they put you on the TV table, so we can sweat it. You'll have the whole forum pulling for you! :thumbup:
No, it will only bring in more money. That would suck, I know... If they're banging balls into the rails they won't last long. There are 10 top level American pros and 30 a level below them... Then 10,000 a level below that. And that's not "banging balls into rails" level. Those 10,000 don't take a stab at the cash because the odds are too tough to fade. Change the odds and mee show up. More show up, more money.
Sure, some players will lose a game, or a match, due to "lucks", but they will also win a game, or a match, due to "lucks". The thing about "lucks" is that "lucks" will even out in the long run. In the long run, the cream of the crop will always rise in the game of pool.
Take the Derby as an example. The 9-ball division is a race to 7, winners break IIRC. That is extremely short for today's pros standard. But take a look at all the winners of the 9-Ball Division, they are all top notch, world class pros. The only guy that doesn't belong there is some guy named Efren Reyes, who got "lucky" a few times.