Unhappy with Edwin Reyes

would seem like the best option

shanesinnott said:
I do not know what the cue looks like. If sending a cue with ivory is illegal then I am happy to take one that does not have Ivory. I just want a cue worth $850 which was the agreed upon bet.

If Edwin built me a cue that has Ivory in it, surely he would know that there would/could be a problem sending it to the USA and that a non Ivory cue would have been a better choice.

He had said to me over a year ago that he would have a friend or family member bring the cue into the USA but that he was waiting for someone to make the trip. It would seem that after 18 months that is not a viable option.
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Having someone hand carry it is the best option. I do agree with you that a year should be plenty of time to get someone to carry it over.

Depending on what stage the various components are in, it does often take months to build a cue and it is possible that conditions changed during that time making him less willing to try plain shipping. Technically any movement of ivory, including people's personal playing cues, in or out of a CITES country makes it illegal ivory. However I haven't heard of players losing cues flying around with them.

Edwin has too good of a reputation to let it get damaged over a bet. Hopefully he will be here soon to tell his side of the story and sort things out in a manner that is acceptable to both of you.

Hu
 
ShootingArts said:
Having someone hand carry it is the best option. I do agree with you that a year should be plenty of time to get someone to carry it over.

Depending on what stage the various components are in, it does often take months to build a cue and it is possible that conditions changed during that time making him less willing to try plain shipping. Technically any movement of ivory, including people's personal playing cues, in or out of a CITES country makes it illegal ivory. However I haven't heard of players losing cues flying around with them.

Edwin has too good of a reputation to let it get damaged over a bet. Hopefully he will be here soon to tell his side of the story and sort things out in a manner that is acceptable to both of you.

Hu
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The cue was completed prior to January of 2007 and I received a PM from Edwin in Jan 2007 stating that he was just waiting on his cousins flight schedule to have the cue brought over (that was over a year ago and still no cue)

I hope he comes on here soon too and explains what is going on.
 
easy-e said:
I think arrested and THEN banned would be better. Why do you insist on standing up for guys like this?
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That being said.....

So have you left him negative rep yet?
 
shanesinnott said:
The cue was completed prior to January of 2007 and I received a PM from Edwin in Jan 2007 stating that he was just waiting on his cousins flight schedule to have the cue brought over (that was over a year ago and still no cue)

I hope he comes on here soon too and explains what is going on.
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Wow, this was from yesterday. Yes, the cue was completed as you've been informed and ways to get it to you safely has been exhausted from then to present time. Will work on something that can reach you safely through normal routes. My being busy as heck is not your fault, I apologise for the inconvenience.

You can contact me directly through my e-mail address edreyescues1986@yahoo.com
 
shanesinnott said:
The cue was completed prior to January of 2007 and I received a PM from Edwin in Jan 2007 stating that he was just waiting on his cousins flight schedule to have the cue brought over (that was over a year ago and still no cue)

I hope he comes on here soon too and explains what is going on.
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Wow, this was from yesterday. Yes, the cue was completed as you've been informed and ways to get it to you safely has been exhausted from then to present time. Will work on something that can reach you safely through normal routes. My being busy as heck and some unforseen, unavoidable circumstances were not your fault, I apologise for the inconvenience.

You can contact me directly through my e-mail address edreyescues1986@yahoo.com
 
bandido said:
Wow, this was from yesterday. Yes, the cue was completed as you've been informed and ways to get it to you safely has been exhausted from then to present time. Will work on something that can reach you safely through normal routes. My being busy as heck and some unforseen, unavoidable circumstances were not your fault, I apologise for the inconvenience.

You can contact me directly through my e-mail address edreyescues1986@yahoo.com
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All I can say is ----- huh?
 
bandido said:
Wow, this was from yesterday. Yes, the cue was completed as you've been informed and ways to get it to you safely has been exhausted from then to present time. Will work on something that can reach you safely through normal routes. My being busy as heck and some unforseen, unavoidable circumstances were not your fault, I apologise for the inconvenience.

You can contact me directly through my e-mail address edreyescues1986@yahoo.com
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How about the mail with a tracking # and insurance.

send the cue.
 
beetle said:
Cocobolo,
Obviously communication between Shane and Edwin has not been a problem.
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I will quote Post # 15

"A: I don't have his phone number
B: He lives in the Philippines
C: We have been communicating by PM"

Nuff Said.
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"ways to get it to you safely have been exhausted"

???????????
you dont use courier service to ship your cues?
 
shanesinnott said:
On July 30th 2006 (yes, thats 2006) I made a bet with Edwin (bandido) Reyes on the IPT tourney. I took Thorsten and Thorsten won. We bet an $850 cue which as of today he has not sent to me.

Here is the post with the bet:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=37491 Post 8 and 10

Edwin and I have been exchanging PMs for the last year and a half and I believe that I have been very very very patient.

Edwin has stated that the cue has been completed for more than a year but he does not want to ship it to the US as it is too risky (I disagree as I ship to the Philippines all the time and have had customers send product back to me from there with no problems)

I do not want to get into a he said/he said arguement with Edwin but I have saved every PM that Edwin has sent to me and that I have sent to him and can post them if necessary.

I sent a PM to Edwin more than a week ago and told him that my patience was at an end and that if he does not respond within one week confirming shipment of the cue, then I would go public on the main forum. He has posted several times on AZ in the last week but did not even respond to my last PM.

Edwin, a deal is a deal. If I had lost the bet, you would have had the cue within 2 weeks of the end of the tournament. I have been waiting 18 months!!!

Please lets put this behind us and send me what you promised.
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Not cool!

Edwin just send the cue! If it get lost or damaged deal with it then. Fulfill your end of the bargain.
 
uwate said:
"ways to get it to you safely have been exhausted"

???????????
you dont use courier service to ship your cues?
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Edwin apologized already and has given Shane his e-mail address.

I was asked by Edwin to carry a cue last month and last September. Not Shane's.
It had plenty of ivory in it. He made the cue before the ivory became suddenly custom-unfriendly than guns. Both times I told him I would not carry it. I didn't want to be blacklisted in case I got caught.

Now, he can't send cues w/ivory to the US. And maybe Japan.

Years back, I received two cues from Edwin from his courier. One I sent to Canada and the other to a friend here in LA who is a huge collector.
Edwin sent me the cues before I even sent him the funds/payment for them.
 
beetle said:
Nuff said. What was your point?
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He gave the guy his contact info because the OP said he had not responded to his last PM for a week. Therefore that seemed to no longer be a viable option to communicate. JMO

BVal
 
In any PM, Edwin could have asked for Shane's contact info (email, phone # - certainly he already had a mailing address as Shane expected the cue to be shipped.) To swing this around that this is at any fault by Shane is simply pathetic.

Edwin could have/should have in the past 18 months (540 days) either-
  • Contacted Shane by email or phone. Edwin should be the one reaching out. The debt is on him
  • Made a cue without ivory
  • Shipped a cue without ivory
  • Offered fair wholesale money in exchange of his fear of sending this cue $425?
Obviously, Edwin had no doubt in his mind that Shane would pay his debt if he lost. Therefore he should pay his debt. There is no excuse imaginable that Edwin has not paid his debt in 18 months. People need to realize that when you make a bet & create a debt, not owning up to it is the same as stealing.
 
watchez said:
In any PM, Edwin could have asked for Shane's contact info (email, phone # - certainly he already had a mailing address as Shane expected the cue to be shipped.) To swing this around that this is at any fault by Shane is simply pathetic.

Edwin could have/should have in the past 18 months (540 days) either-
  • Contacted Shane by email or phone. Edwin should be the one reaching out. The debt is on him
  • Made a cue without ivory
  • Shipped a cue without ivory
  • Offered fair wholesale money in exchange of his fear of sending this cue $425?
Obviously, Edwin had no doubt in his mind that Shane would pay his debt if he lost. Therefore he should pay his debt. There is no excuse imaginable that Edwin has not paid his debt in 18 months. People need to realize that when you make a bet & create a debt, not owning up to it is the same as stealing.
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You are absolutely correct. I hope my post wasn't implying fault by Shane because he is absolutely not at fault in any way.

BVal
 
Here is a hypothetical question:

Did the laws on importing ivory, or the challenges of overseas shipment change since the bet was made?
 
bandido said:
Wow, this was from yesterday. Yes, the cue was completed as you've been informed and ways to get it to you safely has been exhausted from then to present time. Will work on something that can reach you safely through normal routes. My being busy as heck is not your fault, I apologise for the inconvenience.

You can contact me directly through my e-mail address edreyescues1986@yahoo.com
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Guess this thread should end now.:D
 
I hope this gets resolved. Ed is a good guy, and he was a great host during my first visit to Manila.
 
Cuebacca said:
Here is a hypothetical question:

Did the laws on importing ivory, or the challenges of overseas shipment change since the bet was made?
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Does the cue even have ivory in it? I think that is still an unkown. Regardless, Edwin is not a stupid man (I don't know this for sure) but he should know better than to build a cue with ivory to settle this bet. He ships cues all over and knows what the deal is. He is 17 months passed the amount of time he said he needed the cue has supposedly been done for a year. NO EXCUSE. No one is that busy or has that many unforseen problems (according to him) that you can't put a cue in the mail for 17 months. Pay up Edwin - the man deserves his winnings (cue).

BVal
 
so it was an Ivory laden cue after all. wonder why it took so long for you guys to settle the specifics of the cue and the shipping? :confused: :confused: :confused:

didn't bother to answer PM (maybe the bandit is busy), didn't bother to call the "Bandit" (maybe calling long distance to P.I. is really a pain). oh well, you guys should had made some quick and necessary alternatives for the deal be settled more than a year ago. 18 months is really a long time and enough time for you to save some money on buying 3-4 $850 custom cues. what I'm saying is....both of you did nothing to settle the deal quickly.
 
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