Video of "The Shot" on The Action Report

dumb rules

the problem in all of these is tha rule,,,he would have never passed this shot if he knew he cannot return it to the previous shooter...

bottomline is... he took advantage of the rules ...so he can be guarantedd at least second or something...

the shot for their caliber,,is not that hard and the position for the two ball..

the rules should be changed in the fiture to where if you pass -up a shot it should be the next shooter not the previous shooter...
 
gutshot said:
I would actually have taken the shot and not passed it back. My view has always been if I can see the ball and it can be made I will go for it! The reason being, who is to say that you wouldn't get hooked after he shoots or you are left with an even more difficult shot. When you are playing with chumps, I might let the guy shoot again because I know they will not make it, but with world class players who can get out from anywhere, I would rather put my chances of winning in my own hands.
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I would've passed on the opportunity IIRC, the 5/8 were not looking too pretty from there as well as the shape on the 2 being a nasty proposition.

In light of the info presented since Jamie's orig input, I change my position to no longer thinking it was 'monkey' business.
 
settles the one small question

First off, there was nothing illegal, immoral, unethical, or even fattening about passing the shot back. The one small question I had was if it was the smart move in normal play or a move that was only smart in this situation because it was likely to put Dennis out. After seeing the video, it was simply the smart move.

Had the two players been working in collusion I would think that the breaker would have kicked softly at the one to try to set up the following player, not fired ninety miles and hour to try to get lucky.

Finally there is the simple issue that Dennis forfeit. He was still in the game with three hundred if he lost this one as he expected to when he unscrewed. Dennis needed three wins in a row to get back to eighty-one hundred. Odds weren't good but without Dennis playing none of us will know, including Dennis.

Hu




JCIN said:
Video of the now infamous 1 ball pass and shot by McMinn/Banks.

You judge for yourself.

www.theactionreport.com

It is beneath the results.

I receieved a PM saying "You don't look like Trudeau but you sound like him."

Sometimes I wish I loved any game but this one.
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Black-Balled said:
In light of the info presented since Jamie's orig input, I change my position to no longer thinking it was 'monkey' business.
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It's amazing what a difference a day makes! :D

JAM
 
arian dacongan said:
the problem in all of these is tha rule,,,...the rules should be changed in the fiture to where if you pass -up a shot it should be the next shooter not the previous shooter...
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No way- perhaps th other players in the game should have the opportunity to shoot the shot, but the only person that should have to shoot the shot is the shooter who fouled.
 
JAM said:
It's amazing what a difference a day makes! :D

JAM
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Hay!;) I thought the shot in question was on the 8, a pushout type foul which was also the impetus for DO to break down...now I know that was not the case.

A woman always reserves the right to change her mind.:o
 
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Black-Balled said:
No way- perhaps th other players in the game should have the opportunity to shoot the shot, but the only person that should have to shoot the shot is the shooter who fouled.
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I think Jay is thinking about a "pass forward" rule for his ring game but each person the shot was passed to has the option to pass also, except for the person that just shot. That should work well and might be the solution.

Hu
 
I just get "This video is currently not available. Please try again later."

Cheers,
RC
 
try...

sixpack said:
I just get "This video is currently not available. Please try again later."

Cheers,
RC
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try the you tube link about half way thru this thread! that works!:D
 
Under any circumstances it was definitely the smart move. Whether there were 3 players or 5 players Shane played the odds of him winning that rack. Unfortunately for Dennis he wasn't in the right spot to capitalize.

I have thought alot over the last couple of days why Jamie McWhorter was so steamed about this. Only speculation though but am beginning to think that Jamie had possibly another bet on Dennis. This would be a 2 way bet. He could make that bet (depending on what point in the tourney the bet was made) with odds of Dennis winning. Win with Dennis and win for Mike Jr. losing. This is the only angle I can think of that one would come totally apart at the seams. That or he is just a jackass!!!

Gary
 
I just replaced the Google player with one from YouTube. Should work better.

Wait till you see what I am working on now. Good stuff. Should be up in a little while.
 
bignasty said:
try the you tube link about half way thru this thread! that works!:D
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Thanks! That worked.

First of all: Great video quality. I'll be looking for more great stuff from you guys.

Second: Giving that shot back was the smart play IMO. I probably would have taken the shot...but that definitely doesn't mean it would have been smart to do so. :D

Cheers,
RC
 
I should have waited for the video before I agreed with Mc Whatshisname.
I posted the below after he and a few others said they were there and Mcwhatshisname was right. I see there was really nothing wrong there.

If this happened like you said I agree with everything you said except don't blame the players. There is NO excuse for that kind of crap in a tourament. I don't know where these poolrooms are where this sort of thing happens all the time...but the ones I played in you wouldn't make it to your car if you pulled that sh**. Your also right that it is the reason no big company wants anything to do with pool. Johnnyt
 
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To me a pass back makes sense. In a ring game there are no safeties so it only seems fair that a shooter feeling stuck or safed should be able to hand it back. Otherwise he is just giving it to the next guy who in turn might pass in forward...
 
Nothing unethical here at all.

Banks went for the 1, he hit it hard, as many have pointed out, so no foul play there. Whether Shane took into consideration the stack sizes when he made his decision is not relevant. It's not colluding, it's just a smart decision.

I watched the original live feed, and what I (mistakenly) thought was "cheating" was the layup on the 8. It has since been pointed out that the rack was over at that point, which, as JCIN said makes it a complete non-issue. I continue to believe that the 8-ball shot would have been unethical had the rack not been over, but that's 100% hypothetical at this point.

I think that the main source of controversy was the misunderstanding about the 8 ball, and not this shot.
 
The main thing I see is what Jay mentioned....Mike tried his best to hit the one on the previous shot. Hitting that point was unfortunate, and anything could have happened with him taking that much of a swing at the one the shot before. If there was much shadiness going on, he wouldn't have swung at the one like that. When you are in a ring game, you have to think about many variables, one being your opponents and where everyone shoots in the rotation. It was even money at best (IMO) for Mike to get out. If he gets out, a major competitor is out. If not, then Shane probably gets the win and DO is still out. I didn' see anyting wrong with the play.

Mike
 
Mike Templeton said:
....Mike tried his best to hit the one on the previous shot. Hitting that point was unfortunate, and anything could have happened with him taking that much of a swing at the one the shot before. If there was much shadiness going on, he wouldn't have swung at the one like that.
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Great point.
 
I noticed this thread wasn't getting many "opps I was wrong" on it, so I bumped it up a bit in case some of the others that replied didn't see it:rolleyes: Johnnyt
 
johnnyt,

it's nice to see someone admit jumping to the wrong conclusion. You have my respect. Where's everyone else?

Nobody seemed to want to pay attention to posts from people that were there and saw things "differently" than McWoofer. I guess now that they can see it with their own eyes they have nothing to say because they can't say anything negative.
 
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