Video of "The Shot" on The Action Report
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JamieMcWhorter
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Omg I Cant Stand It I Have To Write In On This.......................are U People Drunk That Shot For A Good Player Is Almost 100 Percent...i Will Post 10k On Myself Shooting That I Make It 9 Out Of 10...............the Ball Didnt Touch A Rail....are You People Crazy....he Hit High And Went Over And Back Easy Shot For Shape...........................ask Any Good Player Bet They Say Omg Look How Easy That Went And He Got Shape So Easy..........
Jam Ask Keith Show Him The Shot...and I Bet This Is His Response.............."""yea Real Fcking Nice No Wonder Orcullo Quit Haaaa Ohhh Boyyyyy I Would Have Been Hot Too...and I Might Have Done A Stage Dive Right Onto The Table After The Shot Went In....now This Is A Nightmare Chopping Me Up For My Dough So I Don't Get Another Shot"""...
Back Into The Darkness I Will Now Returnnnnn...byeeeeeeeeee
Jam Ask Keith Show Him The Shot...and I Bet This Is His Response.............."""yea Real Fcking Nice No Wonder Orcullo Quit Haaaa Ohhh Boyyyyy I Would Have Been Hot Too...and I Might Have Done A Stage Dive Right Onto The Table After The Shot Went In....now This Is A Nightmare Chopping Me Up For My Dough So I Don't Get Another Shot"""...
Back Into The Darkness I Will Now Returnnnnn...byeeeeeeeeee
10k???
OK Jamie,
We set up the table to match before he shot the one in. Here is the question: Will you bet 10K on you running out that table set up three times in a row?
Making the one ball wasn't the issue. Failing to finish the runout would have put DO in the catbird seat to finish a run giving him 9300 dollars and making him very much alive.
Passing the shot back meant that without any collusion both other players had to fail to finish the run out for Dennis to get a shot. Big difference!
Where and when are you gonna try? I will specify that the table brand, pocket size, and general conditions have to be the same as the original run was made on.
Hu
OK Jamie,
We set up the table to match before he shot the one in. Here is the question: Will you bet 10K on you running out that table set up three times in a row?
Making the one ball wasn't the issue. Failing to finish the runout would have put DO in the catbird seat to finish a run giving him 9300 dollars and making him very much alive.
Passing the shot back meant that without any collusion both other players had to fail to finish the run out for Dennis to get a shot. Big difference!
Where and when are you gonna try? I will specify that the table brand, pocket size, and general conditions have to be the same as the original run was made on.
Hu
JamieMcWhorter said:
JamieMcWhorter said:
Jamie get over it.
I understand why DO is a little upset because of his Rotation background that forces the player to take a shot as long as the object ball can be hit.
But by the look it, DO, Walden and SVB are victims of circumstances and not foul play. There is always a big risk for better players when you have a player with "poorer" ball control in the mix.
JamieMcWhorter said:
Make it 9 out of 10 and get similar position on the two ball. Son, you've got a bet!
Asking For Forgiveness!
McLazarus, the video speaks for itself. You have painted a different picture than what is perceived on the video. There was a little more that had to be done than just make the one ball (which was not a hanger) according to the video.
Unfortunately, you have attempted to justify your accusations once more and I fear to quote another great play-er. "Me thinks, thou doth protest too much".
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Come on now, admit it and deal with the truth. The only reason you are whining is because you had a bet on the match. You wouldn't have said a word if you hadn't lost the opportunity to make an extra dollar.
Remember, the truth will set you free.
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Come on now, confess to your brothers & sisters. Every one of us has sinned at least once in their life. Lay yourself at the feet of your AZ brethren and seek their mercy.
Repent, acknowledge your wrong-doing and ask for their pardon. You will be forgiven by most, but more importantly you will have peace.
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JoeyA
McLazarus, the video speaks for itself. You have painted a different picture than what is perceived on the video. There was a little more that had to be done than just make the one ball (which was not a hanger) according to the video.
Unfortunately, you have attempted to justify your accusations once more and I fear to quote another great play-er. "Me thinks, thou doth protest too much".
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Come on now, admit it and deal with the truth. The only reason you are whining is because you had a bet on the match. You wouldn't have said a word if you hadn't lost the opportunity to make an extra dollar.
Remember, the truth will set you free.
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Come on now, confess to your brothers & sisters. Every one of us has sinned at least once in their life. Lay yourself at the feet of your AZ brethren and seek their mercy.
Repent, acknowledge your wrong-doing and ask for their pardon. You will be forgiven by most, but more importantly you will have peace.
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(Maybe even the players you have maligned and even Dan Tull will forgive you
) JoeyA
JoeyA said:McLazarus, the video speaks for itself. You have painted a different picture than what is perceived on the video. There was a little more that had to be done than just make the one ball (which was not a hanger) according to the video.
Unfortunately, you have attempted to justify your accusations once more and I fear to quote another great play-er. "Me thinks, thou doth protest too much".
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Come on now, admit it and deal with the truth. The only reason you are whining is because you had a bet on the match. You wouldn't have said a word if you hadn't lost the opportunity to make an extra dollar.
Remember, the truth will set you free.
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Come on now, confess to your brothers & sisters. Every one of us has sinned at least once in their life. Lay yourself at the feet of your AZ brethren and seek their mercy.
Repent, acknowledge your wrong-doing and ask for their pardon. You will be forgiven by most, but more importantly you will have peace.
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(Maybe even the players you have maligned and even Dan Tull will forgive you
JoeyA
Joey,
He can do all the repenting he wants after he bets with me.
McNugget is again a ranting raving idiot. He makes it seem like Mike told Shane before the rack --"I am going to break, leave a myself a kick on the one, miss it and then leave myself a hard shot on the one so just give it back to me when the time comes".
With Shane passing on the shot was not even 1% wrong. Both players started over, even in the finals, so him winning that game would not have mattered. The format was flawed in this case but not the ethics of the players. McNugget is OUT OF LINE to imply as such.
Here is a poker scenario, when down to 3 players. Player A calls, Player B goes all in, Player C calls the all in and when it comes back to Player A, he throws his hand away to 'get out of the way'. Even if he had pocket Jacks or maybe even Queens, he would still throw his hand away. Shane passing is far less than this intelligent move.
Congrats again to Shane & Mike. McNugget stay in Ohio.
With Shane passing on the shot was not even 1% wrong. Both players started over, even in the finals, so him winning that game would not have mattered. The format was flawed in this case but not the ethics of the players. McNugget is OUT OF LINE to imply as such.
Here is a poker scenario, when down to 3 players. Player A calls, Player B goes all in, Player C calls the all in and when it comes back to Player A, he throws his hand away to 'get out of the way'. Even if he had pocket Jacks or maybe even Queens, he would still throw his hand away. Shane passing is far less than this intelligent move.
Congrats again to Shane & Mike. McNugget stay in Ohio.
So Mcwhatever says the shot was easy(I happen to agree), but others say it was the layout of the table that gave him a reason to hand the shot back. So my question is, what if it had been a hanger with a tough layout? Could he hand it back or does he have to make an honest effort?
If he would be allowed to give it back, I think the rules are flawed. I still think that the rules imply that an honest effort be made when it is your turn, and I think Shane made no such effort in this case. In the end though, it really doesn't matter what I think.
If he would be allowed to give it back, I think the rules are flawed. I still think that the rules imply that an honest effort be made when it is your turn, and I think Shane made no such effort in this case. In the end though, it really doesn't matter what I think.
Assuming everything is on the up-and-up, do you think he would have passed if it passed FORWARD to Orcullo instead of back to Banks?JCIN said:
I think he would have shot...
Let's keep Bob's pass forward rule suggestion on the table for next year / event.
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td873 said:
There is no "pass forward."
I think there is no foul play, but like what Jay said "next time don't make it too obvious" that you are eliminating somebody.
When these kids grow a little older, they will also learn that even in gambling world, the is such a thing as acting "gentleman-ly."
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Probably. With pass-forward there is a lot of pressure on the passer especially in a larger ring game. Do you really want to take the chance that the next guy will shoot and you get to sit for two racks?td873 said:
Even after watching the video a bunch, I can't tell how tough the one was. It looks like there was zero clearance as it passed the two ball and the one hit the side rail about two diamonds from the corner before sliding in. It might have been very tough and with little chance for a safe if he either nicks the two or hangs the one.
A couple of different rules for pass-forward are being considered by the organizers. I like the simple version, but it tends (as mentioned above) to put a lot of pressure on the first passer.
Why not apply the Texas-Hold-Em rule of ball-in-hand when a player didn't pocket the object ball?
Dan Tull said later that night that in the future a player must shoot at any ball they can see. While that is a whole new can of worms, it will keep a situation like this from happening again.td873 said:
I think Jay's idea of passing the shot forward would work pretty well. You are still going to have similar situations though. In this case if McMinn passed this tough out forward to Orcollo he probably doesn't get out and then leaves both of his opponents with a chance at a table with what could be a much easier layout. I think this type of problem is just inherent in the format. Its not good or bad, just part of the game in this particular set of rules. Only way I see to stop it is go to ball in hand on all fouls and missed shots. Something tells me that would open another pandora's box.
crosseyedjoe said:
I retract my earlier statement after seeing this video clip. That was definitely not obvious. In fact, it was perfectly appropriate to pass this shot back.
There was no pass-forward. It's not clear what will be used in the future. Some people feel very strongly that a change is needed.crosseyedjoe said:
Me, I'm willing to give the players the benefit of the doubt since I've passed shots myself that looked impossible but were shot straight in. The problem is that the outcome is important to a lot of people and there needs to be no possibility of the appearance of a problem. I've played in ring games with players who seemed to forget how to hit the ball on two rails when they never missed the hit under one-on-one ball-in-hand.
Another possibility for a rule change is "put it back and shoot the same shot again" but that has other problems.
Bob Jewett said:
Is there anything wrong with ball-in-hand if the previous player misses? I'm just not too amicable with "honest effort" rule. Even the best of the best can have a bad day, and you will probably start asking what is happening when the next player starts getting a not so good leave.
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