myeh, that's my biggest problem with this too. reading the comments many seem to think hoang was the one saying the shit after the match. and with that many followers there's bound to be a couple unhinged nutters
What a tool!!!
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myeh, that's my biggest problem with this too. reading the comments many seem to think hoang was the one saying the shit after the match. and with that many followers there's bound to be a couple unhinged nutters
If she called the very well known foul on you and you knew you didn't call it is it really lying to tell her you called it?
In call shot, you must call every bank, every carom and every combo. Personally, I can't stand the use of call shot rules, but when they are in use, the players that don't observe them should not be cut any slack.
Savannah was in the wrong here during the match. The post-match comments were out of line, but Savannah was just as rude in her reply, and her decision not to shake opponent's hand came before, not after, the unpleasantries. I give her a pass as she is so young, but she's got some things to learn about observance of the rules and also in maintaining her dignity at the table.
Those comfortable with keeping pool in the gutter will likely defend her here. I want better than this for our sport, and a player as visible as Savannah needs to adhere to a higher standard of behavior than most.
She'll learn from this so let's not judge her on a single moment of indiscretion. Wishing her the best.
Savannah was in the wrong here during the match. The post-match comments were out of line, but Savannah was just as rude in her reply, and her decision not to shake opponent's hand came before, not after, the unpleasantries. I give her a pass as she is so young, but she's got some things to learn about observance of the rules and also in maintaining her dignity at the table.
Those comfortable with keeping pool in the gutter will likely defend her here. I want better than this for our sport, and a player as visible as Savannah needs to adhere to a higher standard of behavior than most.
She'll learn from this so let's not judge her on a single moment of indiscretion. Wishing her the best.
smiling_Hans
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Have you guys ever played a tournament where you have to call every shot?
It's pretty damn tiring. As you either call it or gesture towards the pocket you're going for.
Also you have to constantly make sure the opponent or person in charge hears it too.
A neglect of this basic rule should lose you a turn. In this case, a match.
I rather waste less energy than to call or gesture and make sure my opponent hears me versus just shooting. It's like walking a golf course versus riding a cart.
It's pretty damn tiring. As you either call it or gesture towards the pocket you're going for.
Also you have to constantly make sure the opponent or person in charge hears it too.
A neglect of this basic rule should lose you a turn. In this case, a match.
I rather waste less energy than to call or gesture and make sure my opponent hears me versus just shooting. It's like walking a golf course versus riding a cart.
Are you saying she didnt know the rule?
Say he asks her if she knew calling a combo was a rule. She says yes. Ethically she should give up the table because she knows she violated a rule.
She says no. Does she get a pass because she doesnt know the rule but he does? A ref wouldn't say its ok because she didnt know.
Let's say he lets it slide and she keeps shooting. Then he shoots a combo and she says he didn't call it. Does he say even though it is a rule that he doesnt have to call because she didnt earlier? It is a slippery slope.
The above is hypothetical because I dont want anything written to be associated with either player and how they may react in real time.
The rule is written terribly. Any combo is defined as a non obvious shot which in this case it is the only obvious shot. But simplicity of the rule says you must call any bank, combo, kick etc.
True- rules are rules- but the guy was looking for any way to win outside of pure skill. I would not blame anyone who just kept on shooting in that situation and claimed a called combo- anyone who calls that foul is a worse offender, in my own book, then a person who just kept shooting and claimed a called combo if questioned.
I'm not sure what I personally would do if I were the shooter- just not sure - I know that it could get ugly though.
I'm not sure what I personally would do if I were the shooter- just not sure - I know that it could get ugly though.
I don't think it was Hoang that made the comments. While I think making her call the combo was lame wishing that a man's tip falls off is worse. If your tip falls off there is almost nothing a doctor can do for you, the surgery is long and the recovery is painful and often unsuccessful. The comments at the end were totally out of line.
I'm sorry, but if you play in a tournament and call every-single- ball, it does get tedious. Most let the "obvious" pass. I can't imagine calling every single shot and pocket in a straight pool match, esp. if it is obvious.
As to RR's combo...... it is clearly obvious what is going down on that shot.
Do you call every shot on yourself aloud when in practice?
Does it break your routine?
As to RR's combo...... it is clearly obvious what is going down on that shot.
Do you call every shot on yourself aloud when in practice?
Does it break your routine?
To the next person to ask the definition of the word "NIT" now we have a link.
Exactly. You people are really bored. Chicken shit morons abound, get over it.
Tadaimarlon
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I know exactly what it feels like to be a child beating adults who have been playing for decades. I was 12 when I started winning against most of the adults in my town and I remember so many situations where adults tried to cheat or shark me just because they couldn't stand losing to a kid. It's probably even worse for Savannah because she's a girl. That said, I've never denied anyone a handshake and my dad, who has accompanied me to every tournament, has never had an outburst like the parents in the video have.
In my opinion, the player several decades older than her who was also winning 5-2 could have let this shot slide and made her aware of it later.
In my opinion, the player several decades older than her who was also winning 5-2 could have let this shot slide and made her aware of it later.
While I agree the dude is a nit of the highest order I always, always call banks, kicks, and combos. I had a similar situation to this in the semi finals of our state 8 ball tournament. My opponent broke and his first shot was a combo into the corner but he never called anything. The strange thing about his shot was that it wasn't the ball close to the jaws that fell but the object ball that he struck with the cue ball that fell, the rear ball. I didnt say anything at the moment but after that 1 game I asked him to call his combos, banks, or kicks, you know, the more non obvious shots. I'm not saying my opponent got 1 over on me on that questionable shot but its not the ball that I would have expected to fall.
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I don't think she should have relinquished the table- if I were her I would have kept shooting and dared him to do something about it. Just horrendous on this guy's part. Blatantly obvious shot.
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Love that he missed the ten ball! This guy has labeled himself forever thanks to this video. He will from now on always be the butt of jokes wherever he goes. To do something so idiotic while playing a 14 year old girl is beyond belief. Plus the fact he was well ahead in the match already. Mr. Hoang will now be known throughout the pool world as a bully who picks on kids. And he will deserve whatever recognition comes his way, be it good or bad. Good job sir!
Boom! If he was any kind of a man he would have graciously told her to remember to call all combinations so some nitwit doesn't call a foul on her! Instead he WAS the nitwit!
The opponent would have still seemed like a nit had he made that call on another grown man. However, we would barely have batted an eye had a referee made the same call on the girl. I wouldn't have made that call but after the game was scored I would have quietly told her that combo's have to be called as well as the usual shots that are not considered obvious no matter how obvious they are.
A bank isn't considered obvious no matter how obvious it is or when it is the only possible shot. This combo is the same. The obvious shot, shoulda been called. Also, this is anything but a green fourteen year old girl. She knew it was supposed to be called too.
I think all of us that gambled let hundreds of fouls pass when only a moron wouldn't know the shot attempted, especially after the shot. Tournaments are different and calling shots is a must. If the opponent has his nose stuck in a phone or snack when I call it then claims I didn't, then it is tough caca. I am going to stick to my guns.
I have seen quite a few chickenshits go with the usual no need to call rules in a tourney match until the other player is close to winning then when they don't call a shot that neither player has been calling, "FOUL!" It is a BS thing to do but the rules are on the side of the person calling foul. The best thing is not to give them anything to work with.
Oh yeah, I will laugh when the shoe is on the other foot! Huang has marked himself.
When I see a person be a dipstick in earlier matches particularly against a friend of mine, I may nail them with a BS infraction just like they have done to others. After all, "rulz is rulz" err sometimes!
Hu
A bank isn't considered obvious no matter how obvious it is or when it is the only possible shot. This combo is the same. The obvious shot, shoulda been called. Also, this is anything but a green fourteen year old girl. She knew it was supposed to be called too.
I think all of us that gambled let hundreds of fouls pass when only a moron wouldn't know the shot attempted, especially after the shot. Tournaments are different and calling shots is a must. If the opponent has his nose stuck in a phone or snack when I call it then claims I didn't, then it is tough caca. I am going to stick to my guns.
I have seen quite a few chickenshits go with the usual no need to call rules in a tourney match until the other player is close to winning then when they don't call a shot that neither player has been calling, "FOUL!" It is a BS thing to do but the rules are on the side of the person calling foul. The best thing is not to give them anything to work with.
Oh yeah, I will laugh when the shoe is on the other foot! Huang has marked himself.
When I see a person be a dipstick in earlier matches particularly against a friend of mine, I may nail them with a BS infraction just like they have done to others. After all, "rulz is rulz" err sometimes!
Hu