What are your thoughts about gambling debts ?

Thank you for the clarification of contract law, but I am old school were my word, or hand shake mean something.:D

Yes, they do mean something, but you contended:

If the person don't pay then they have not honored a contract, like a contractor who promised to do work, or pay you for work.

Your interpretation here was false. Nonpayment of a gambling debt is not the same as non-payment in the case of a legal contract for services.

As you now rightly contend, the gambling transaction is about keeping your word, not about living up to or failing to live up to a contract.
 
Yes, they do mean something, but you contended:



Your interpretation here was false. Nonpayment of a gambling debt is not the same as non-payment in the case of a legal contract for services.

As you now rightly contend, the gambling transaction is about keeping your word, not about living up to or failing to live up to a contract.

In many the states poker is legal as long as the pot does not exceed a certain limit. They are gambling. If I buy lottery ticket I am gambling. I expect the state to live up to the deal if I win.
 
In many the states poker is legal as long as the pot does not exceed a certain limit. They are gambling. If I buy lottery ticket I am gambling. I expect the state to live up to the deal if I win.

Indeed, some types of gambling are legal, with most such types of gambling fully regulated. Pool games and sidebets are not an example of such handling.
 
Too many people use time as a weapon !!!

I think too many people get away with it by keep putting squaring the debt off whether it's from gambling or even the ones that borrow money than don't pay....I guess I'm from the old school too where a persons word is their bond....Treat people the way you want to be treated...I can go anywhere & hold my head up high because I've never welched on a bet...the reason being...MY WORD IS MY BOND....The only acceptable excuse not to pay a debt would be if they died..anything else is just another excuss in my book.
 
Gambling is never worth it.....

Some people think that because the money is gambling money that it's not the same as stealing...I disagree...I think it's just as bad to welch on a bet as it would be to flat out steal money that's not yours to begin with...I'm all for the old walking stick if you beat a guy out of all his cash but to some on here especially that will make online wagers & welch on it are nothing more than common thieves & should be delt with in the same manner...I know the old saying...money on the wood makes it good.. but what about the ones that you put faith that their word being their bond ?....I'd just like to see some other peoples views on this common occurrence that has happened to most of us at least once.

I don't know why Pool Players make such a fuss over not getting paid. They should be grateful they didn't loose the money instead. When these things happen, I don't feel sorry for anyone. If players feel they have been cheated or robbed, why not file a Police Report? It would get you in more trouble than what you can handle, so why not let it go, and not welch over it?
 
I don't know why Pool Players make such a fuss over not getting paid. They should be grateful they didn't loose the money instead. When these things happen, I don't feel sorry for anyone. If players feel they have been cheated or robbed, why not file a Police Report? It would get you in more trouble than what you can handle, so why not let it go, and not welch over it?

Maybe it rubs the ones like me a lil wrong because we would never do it to another & when we lose we pay..that would be like me coming home & finding my girlfriend in the sack with another guy & saying oh well shit happens & let it go....NOT....notice I said another guy...If it was another girl then I'd have to let it slide & jump in..lol....but really...it shouldn't be just let go..no one will ever make me believe it's ok to steal...
 
I don't know why Pool Players make such a fuss over not getting paid. They should be grateful they didn't loose the money instead. When these things happen, I don't feel sorry for anyone. If players feel they have been cheated or robbed, why not file a Police Report? It would get you in more trouble than what you can handle, so why not let it go, and not welch over it?

I don't know how any serious pool player could NOT have a major problem with welching. It is even worse than leaving chalk upside down on the rail. :p
 
Maybe it rubs the ones like me a lil wrong because we would never do it to another & when we lose we pay..that would be like me coming home & finding my girlfriend in the sack with another guy & saying oh well shit happens & let it go....NOT....notice I said another guy...If it was another girl then I'd have to let it slide & jump in..lol....but really...it shouldn't be just let go..no one will ever make me believe it's ok to steal...

There will always be "trials and errors" in one's life. You have to decide what is best for you. Welch or forget. I prefer to forget. Welching is not good for you.

The "girlfriend" analogy is never good. If you find her in the sack with another guy, you want to not forget about that and not let her go?

I believe it's better to forget everything and keep on trucking the roads of life....
 
I respect your opinion even tho i don't agree

There will always be "trials and errors" in one's life. You have to decide what is best for you. Welch or forget. I prefer to forget. Welching is not good for you.

The "girlfriend" analogy is never good. If you find her in the sack with another guy, you want to not forget about that and not let her go?

I believe it's better to forget everything and keep on trucking the roads of life....

I just believe a person is only as good as their word...no matter what wealth a person builds in their lives can't be taken with them when they are gone & all that is left is a memory...I for one would not want to be remembered as a thief...I have a successful trucking company & even with the economy.. am still doing well...I'd like to think it's because of service & treating my customers right & never promising something I can't deliver on..but that's me...I know everybody views things their own way.
 
collect

If you lose you pay. If you win get payed one way are another..Then, not later. Unless there was a agreement in advance:cool:
 
Regarding betting, I don't think two players wagering money on their own talents is illegal???? Now, wagers between railbirds or outsiders might be, but I don't think there is any legal issue with two individuals matching up with their own money on the line....

Do we have a lawyer in the house to confirm?

Regardless, a man or woman is bound by their word....everyone should be accountable....
 
I totally agree !

Regarding betting, I don't think two players wagering money on their own talents is illegal???? Now, wagers between railbirds or outsiders might be, but I don't think there is any legal issue with two individuals matching up with their own money on the line....

Do we have a lawyer in the house to confirm?

Regardless, a man or woman is bound by their word....everyone should be accountable....

It's on the same level as players doing business on a stakehores money in my book...Years back I was approached to stake a game between two very well known players & they were going to do business on the other stakehores money...even tho i didn't even know the other stakehorse I didn't stake the game out of principle...it would have been a free 10k but it was still wrong so I told them no....they got somebody else to stake it & threw the guy under the bus...I have no regrets for not taking part in it because I know I did the right thing.
 
i dont put people on the owe, and i dont like to be on the owe.

dont want that stuff hanging over my head.
 
Bump for thoughts on dead beat gamblers !

Just a lil bump for anybody's thought on dead beats.. whether it's gamblers or money borrowers.
 
The worst thing that went on in the pool room I grew up in was a player was allowed one, as they called it, cuff game, while playing in ring games. I never used this course of action, it made me feel uncomfortable and I couldn't bring myself to do it. Unfortunately, the rest of the people in the room had no problem cuffing me. I can count how many times I've been stiffed.

Some twenty years or so ago, I had a terrible three days in a row playing, Eddie, The Electrician, Tennaro in Town Line Ten Pin, in Malden MA.. Eddie beat me for twenty-seven hundred in that three day span. For the first time in my life, I cuffed him, fifty dollars. Some time later Eddie came back to Town Line looking to play again. We began playing for fifty a rack. Two or three games into the session, Eddie stopped play and demanded the fifty I owed him before play resumed. I felt sick to my stomach, thinking of how many people I've played that stiffed me and I never got the money the next time we played. I reached in my pocket and gave Eddie the money. My debt to Eddie paid. He never beat me again, but I never recovered the full amount I lost over the three day span. Eddie was right. I owed him the money. A bet is a bet. Of course we always posted, from that point.

Integrity, is the hardest thing to find, in a lot of pool rooms. Some people think they're playing with monopoly money.
 
If I remember correctly, legally speaking, there is a big difference between a gambling debt vs. "legitimate" debt.

Gambling debts are not collectible in court.

That is because gambling isn't legal correct? Just like any other illegal activity you have no legal remedy in civil court. It would be like a robber suing his partner for stiffing him on his take on a theft.
 
I don't gamble, to me it is a waste of time and money. However, I think if a person gambles and loses, then an honorable person will pay those debts. Unfortunately the world of pool and gambling in general is full of dishonorable people. When you gamble you take your chances the person you're gambling with isn't a hustler and you also take your chances that he is honorable.
 
Not so. Under contract law, this is not a contract, as the bet itself is not a legal transaction. To view it as the ehtical or moral equivalent of an oral contract is within reason, but it does not qualify as an oral contract.

Just because the state hasn't said it was OK for two individual human beings to mutually agree on a "gambling" deal doesn't mean that the deal is somehow moot. Even if the state says you can't gamble, the deal still stands between the two parties, or else they wouldn't have made the deal in the first place. Yes, the state cannot mitigate the problem, but who needs that anyway?

Integrity exist even if the state won't back it. Backing out of a deal because one suddenly came to realize the "legitimacy" of the state, when before breaking its laws was just hunky-doory, is hypocritical, unethical thinking at its best.

If one could hire his own protection agency, that company would deal with the other guy's company and the problem would be resolved quickly....or else that company would eventually fail, as any other bad business fails.

Jeff Livingston
 
Gambling has a Grey area when it comes to the law !

That is because gambling isn't legal correct? Just like any other illegal activity you have no legal remedy in civil court. It would be like a robber suing his partner for stiffing him on his take on a theft.

Most states don't look at it as being illegal....two grown men can have a wager on a game..they just want it to be discrete..no money on the table..best to have it escowed with a mutual 3rd party...kinda like having sex with a woman...nothing wrong with it un less you doing it in public..then you can get arrested.
 
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