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Mickey Qualls said:
I dig what you're sayin', but I also think it might depend on the selection process.

Straight up name raffle, as in all the names from your team are in a hat, your name gets pulled ? I'd say luck o' the draw, keep the cash.

If the team has to collectively agree to put up one guy to break, then yeah, split it up. My only caveat would be that it gets split between the cats that were there.

Even aside from all that, it still raises the question as to why the captain waited until a phone call to tell Johnny V that he had to split it...
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My captain selected me to break. It was not drawn.
 
Johnny "V" said:
My captain selected me to break. It was not drawn.
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Ok, I want to change my answer :grin:

I kind of have the thought now, after your above statement that, prior to your winning, the captain may have actually intended to have the money split if you won. I mean, if the captain's original thought was that the winner kept all the money, then she would have nominated herself to break, right ?!?!

That being said, I would have told her to tell the no-show players to go pound salt...
 
Duped

I think the captain was out of line.Maybe not for those who were in attendence but to give $ to those not there was insane or dishonest.It only encourages team mates not to show up in the future.The more people on your team to have tried it the better your chances of winning.Why did the Captain wait so long to ask you for the $1000 back? I feel bad for you, the guidelines on something like this should have been set up by the captain before the event.
 
You divide it up and then bill for accounting and administrative time and expenses. Then you charge a fee for cutting the checks. Then of course you have them sign forms in triplicate to accept the check, and you bill for recording those documents.

When all is said and done and they get checks for let's say.... 0.1 cents....you won't have to worry about them asking anymore and you won't have to worry about being part of that "team" anymore.

Heck, if done properly, they will owe you money.

When others fail in their civic responsibility to you, including failure of good common sense, and it threatens to cost you money, then bill for your time.
 
after reading all the small details, I dont think it was crazy of the captain to spread the money around. She probably did not talk about this ahead of time because she either didnt know what to do, or didnt think you would make it.
hard to explain her delay in telling you, but maybe she later talked to other team captains and they told her standard procedure in the past is to split the money.
Finally, why split with people not there? well, these are people SHE knows and SHE didnt want to create any drama with them.

so bottom line the captain handled it poorly, but again, this is surely something she had not been asked to handle before.

Think of yourself as the nice guy who gave $125 Xmas presents to the whole team....(then move on)
 
franko said:
I think the captain was out of line.Maybe not for those who were in attendence but to give $ to those not there was insane or dishonest.It only encourages team mates not to show up in the future.The more people on your team to have tried it the better your chances of winning.Why did the Captain wait so long to ask you for the $1000 back? I feel bad for you, the guidelines on something like this should have been set up by the captain before the event.
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I have run the scenario over in my head so many times that I believe to be what happened...

After the break I was given the money. The only people there from my team at the time were my captain and myself. She congratulated me and that was that. The other team members that showed up later when our first match was to be played (all 2 of them) congratulated me. ( Note: all that I type after this should be taken as here say cuz I don't know if it actually happened this way.) After we lost the captain went back to the bar that we play out of and was talking with her father who owns the bar and a conversation ensued during which my winning came up. Someone suggested that should have been shared between all members and the collective talked her into calling me.
 
After reading your post,i got confused .Now i feel you owe me to.:D
 
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Like I stated earlier before this came to light, if the captain selected you then you were playing as a member of the team and not an individual.

Anytime there is an issue, I try to look at it from the other side to gain perspective. How was it fair for you to be selected and not another person from the team? What if she chose another person and they won the $1000. Would you have been upset that she didn't choose you?

The only fair way is to either split it up among the present members of the team, or in the moment the team decides to draw straws or flip a coin or roshambo, etc. and the winner of that gets to try and win money for themselves. Basically some way to single out and individual opportunity versus a team competition.

Choosing a single person and them winning without a democratic process doesn't seem very team oriented and is unfair to everyone else who could have had a chance to break and cash in.
 
They do money cup here in broward apa. Its done the same way, the capts of each team pick a player to get up there and try to snap in the 9. The OP here was NOT randomly drawn, he was CHOSEN by his team to get up there and try to win the cheese. The chop of the dough was totally the right call, although that said....players who dont show for money cup it becomes alot more questionable if they should participate in the cheese cut. Ive seen it both ways, one where the team wont pay off anyone who didnt show up and then the other where the thinking is that everyone helped get the team to money cup (for those who are unfamiliar with money cup....they take teams that win divisions and they do a cash tournament) and therefore everyone should participate in the cash chop even if they were unable to actually compete in money cup.

Here in broward they also do a capts drawing where they toss all the capts names into a hat and draw one. That capt gets $500. I know that the team I play on won the capts drawing last year and they chopped the dough among the team. Not sure if that happens all the time.

For those who said take the dough and quit the team....jesus christ I hope your never on my team. Thats pretty nitty.
 
Johnny "V" said:
This has bothered me for the last 5 or so years. So I am hoping that venting here will cleanse my conscience.

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After 5 years you still need to vent? Hopefully your conscience does get cleansed and life becomes a little better for you and those around you.



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TheBook said:
After 5 years you still need to vent? Hopefully your conscience does get cleansed and life becomes a little better for you and those around you.



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Uhhhh I have not mentioned this to anyone until now cept my better half. I have always gone on the idea that there were people in that group that needed the money more than I did. I just wanted to get it off my chest and see what you all thought of my actions and theirs. Thanks for all the input. I do feel better about it, knowing that there are other places that do the same.
 
Johnny "V" said:
heh... this talk of 1099 did remind me of a situation that happened around 15 years ago.

There was a neighbor of mine that wanted to buy a computer for his business. I told him that I could build him a computer for a lot cheaper than he would have to pay retail. He asked for me to see what I could do. I think at the time what he wanted was 1200 and I could build it for him around 800. He asked that I add a little for myself so I charged him 850 and did the work. Around that time 50 bucks for labor to build a PC was about 1/4 what places were charging to do one. I built it and loaded his software etc and he was very happy to save as much as he did and thanked me. Well Feb rolled around the next year and I got a 1099 for 850 bucks. :shocked2: I went to his house and asked that he change it and he refused. So I estimate that computer cost me around 250 bucks minus the 50 that he paid me.

I never talked to him again.
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WOW. Sounds like you get D*cks for freinds all around.
 
Captain definitely screwed you. I know captains here that divide up winnings based on the number of days you showed up during the season. If you showed up 50% of the time, you got half the amount of someone that showed up ALL the time. It wasnt based on Win Loss but being there. Too many guys that play league part time want a full cut. I would not play for a captain that runs his team like that. Wouldnt surprise me if some of the NO SHOWS were actually never on the team? Sad story about pool. I hate those.

Dividing it between the people that were actually there is fine because they had a chance to win it for you also. How does dividing it between people that had ZERO chance of winning make any sense? Thats like splitting your lottery winnings with coworkers that wont buy a ticket?
 
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uwate said:
They do money cup here in broward apa. Its done the same way, the capts of each team pick a player to get up there and try to snap in the 9. The OP here was NOT randomly drawn, he was CHOSEN by his team to get up there and try to win the cheese. The chop of the dough was totally the right call, although that said....players who dont show for money cup it becomes alot more questionable if they should participate in the cheese cut. Ive seen it both ways, one where the team wont pay off anyone who didnt show up and then the other where the thinking is that everyone helped get the team to money cup (for those who are unfamiliar with money cup....they take teams that win divisions and they do a cash tournament) and therefore everyone should participate in the cash chop even if they were unable to actually compete in money cup.

Here in broward they also do a capts drawing where they toss all the capts names into a hat and draw one. That capt gets $500. I know that the team I play on won the capts drawing last year and they chopped the dough among the team. Not sure if that happens all the time.

For those who said take the dough and quit the team....jesus christ I hope your never on my team. Thats pretty nitty.
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I'm not a league player, but after reading the entire thread, this post above made the most sense to me. I don't think the original poster was cheated at all.
 
I was under the impression each player on the team was in the contest. If one person was shooting for everyone. Thats a lot different. I might have to retract my opinion previously stated. Maybe we dont have all the details?
 
Under those circumstances, yes, split with the team. The no shows share is directly proportional to their being there. They didn't show and support the team, they get dick.
 
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