What's hurt pool since I've been working in and around it for the last 34yrs.

Doesn't surprise me at all. There are plenty of players who win thousands playing pool and I'm not talking about hustlers, just guys who win money playing other players and playing tournaments. But this is no different to any other game or sport. You can make more money as a semi-pro in pretty much any team or individual endeavour than you can as a fully fledged pro struggling to break through or chase the dream. This applies to tennis, golf, chess, football/soccer and pretty much everything else.

That's the gamble when you go pro.
I doubt anyone in over 15 years intentionally went " Pro" !

It just happens because you did well in an event and had a good day! Start making a name and reputation for yourself.

Kd

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I used to do a little gambling in the Casinos until there was a hullabaloo about the slot machine payback in Oklahoma. It was discovered to be 17%, so I walked away from that losing deal. I had watched many a good pool player lose his cue, his car, his home & his family gambling at the casino. But it was a different story when they played Pool.

I also think you are right about gambling in Pool. Most want "the nuts" or there will be no game. That does not include everyone, because there are several that will play.

I like you posts. I only play video poker at the casinos. Maybe if I am in Vegas on vacation I will throw a $20 in a machine to see what happens. There's one I kind of like, can't remember the name of the game. I thought about a pool room when I retired from my real job, but the wife said no. I think I would have been ok with it where I live now, but happy wife, happy life, besides she never complains about me going to play pool. I grew up when there were a ton of pool rooms everywhere and there was actually a lot of gambling in them. It would be nice to meet a player now and then that would actually "gamble" on pool a little, but I think the chance of that happening now is between slim and none, and Slims on vacation.
 
A) Worsted woolen cloths, ie; Simonis, Championship and all the rest.
B) Racking aids.
C) Jump cues.
D) Double elimination tournaments.
E) Shorter races.
F) No Pro player division.
G) No Semi Pro division.
H) Pool table manufactures.
I) Aramith pool ball manufacturing.
J) Cell phones.
K) The internet.
L) Tournament promoters.
M) Tighter pockets.
N) Constantly changing rules for play.
O) Alternating breaks.

I could go on and on, but i think I've listed enough to get some good conversations started and to bring in the trolls as well.

Very wise of you to have chosen pool as your lifes endeavor..Maybe you should have been a cowboy, then you could have bitc*ed about how stupid cows are!..Face it, you were just born to complain..Its what you do best!
 
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I doubt anyone in over 15 years intentionally went " Pro" !

It just happens because you did well in an event and had a good day! Start making a name and reputation for yourself.

Kd

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We are maybe getting into semantics here but there sure seem to be fair few who chose not to go "pro".
 
How many amateur golfers, tennis players, basketball players, baseball, football, soccer, actually any sport other than pool make more than pros? None

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

I said semi-pro, not amateur. Semi-pro is more clearly defined in team sports where you get paid by someone else - and yes you make more than pros at the lower end, less of a gamble.

Granted, semi-pro is semantically vague in individual contests (but so are amateur and pro) but my point stands and I think you need to start thinking about pool as just another thing in the wider context. You can be wrapped up in it and see it as special - these two viewpoints are not mutually exclusive. You could even be an ambassador for it.
 
Where do you hang out in St. Louis? I'll be visiting my son and family in early August and will need to find something to do during the daytime.


I don't believe Justin will play you $10 sets.

Lou Figueroa
just guessin'
 
I don't believe Justin will play you $10 sets.

Lou Figueroa
just guessin'

I doubt he wants to meet Justin to play any pool. He probably has some secrets from Robin to share with Justin to help him pocket balls better.:thumbup:
 
Weird. Aramith addressed this specific accusation here:

http://www.azbilliards.com/news/sto...c-balls-for-billiards-pool-and-all-cuesports/

Cyclops is apparently the source of that claim, which was discussed extensively beginning about here, and continuing sporadically for many pages thereafter:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=450615&highlight=Cyclops&page=14

No, I will not argue this with you. Modern Centennials are made by the same folks who make Aramith, and I have it from their company that the formula is the same as the Super Aramith Pros. Having played Aramith Tournaments and S-A-Pros, as well as the Cyclops, my preference is strongly for Aramith. YMMV.

The same formula? Then maybe you can tell me why the Super Aramith Pros won't hold a shine, while the Centennials don't lose theirs:rolleyes:
 
A & I are the only two I know nothing about.
The others I agree with.

Is "A" because the cloth got faster or that there are too many choices?

Is "I" because of too many levels of quality between each of their ball sets or the cost?

1) Let me ask you this, after installing Simonis cloth on 1,000s of bar tables i know as a matter of fact that the coin income jumped 10-15% higher....why do you think that happened?....because the tables became harder.....or easier to play on?

2) Never in all my years of working on pool tables has there been as much complaining about the level of pool tables as what has taken place after the introduction of worsted woolen cloths....why is that?
 
Simonis offered the first worsted cloth for billiards.

Why worsted cloth? Worsted construction means that there are no short fibers that can release from the cloth to form "pills" or fuzz-balls that have to be removed from the playfield in order to allow the ball to roll straight.

Simonis cloth is incredibly smooth without felt-like fuzziness and Simonis does not wear like nappy woolen cloth which eventually develops tracks or grooves in the cloth, all the while shedding short fibers that constantly need to be removed. With Simonis, ball spin is consistent, and the roll stays straight and true on every shot.

Woolen vs. Worsted = no comparison.
I think all pockets should be standardized to 4 3/4 inches period.
Have you ever seen a worsted woolen cloth grain track balls? Because it's like you're reading off a sales pitch sheet. I don't dislike the worsted woolen cloths, but they have brought about changes in playing pool that i don't really care for such as making less skilled players better at the game because the speed of the cloth has helped their lack of stroke, its helped with their break shots because of lack of skill breaking the balls. It'smade it harder to run a ball down the nose of the cushions because not letting the cloth form a little ditch along the cushions to help track the balls along the nose of the cushions and replaced that shot with dirt build up that actually prevents that shot from being able to be used the dirtier the cloth gets. The extended wear of the cloth and the expense of using it has also allowed the bar and room owners to delay the changing of the cloth forcing players to play on cloth that should have been replaced a long time ago. Here in Spokane the only room owner here hasn't replaced the Simonis on his 9fts in 3 years, but does on his bar tables at the begining of each league season.
 
The same formula? Then maybe you can tell me why the Super Aramith Pros won't hold a shine, while the Centennials don't lose theirs:rolleyes:

Prior to selling them, I had no problem keeping my SAPros shined. Just took some Aramith ball polisher and a few minutes every few months.

Any other questions, you'd be better off taking it up with Saluc.
 
I would put on the list any rule or equipment change done for rotation games to make the game more "fair" or "take luck out of the game". All that does is take away some excitement from the game. If you want to take luck out of the game play 14.1, or decide on your own rules while gambling. Doing it at the pro level was a mistake.
 
I would put on the list any rule or equipment change done for rotation games to make the game more "fair" or "take luck out of the game". All that does is take away some excitement from the game. If you want to take luck out of the game play 14.1, or decide on your own rules while gambling. Doing it at the pro level was a mistake.

The sole purpose of changing all the rules of the game are designed to keep the amateurs interested in playing with the Pro's point being, a single race to 21 with a 3 hour time limit for a pool tournament with winner breaks, 10 game lead is a early win by knockout, would eliminate every amateur player from even thinking about paying an entery fee to play, leaving only the Pro's to compete.
 
Did we ever get the answers why the OP's original items are hurting the game? I know we got a few of the answers. I did trade the Aramith Pro balls for Cyclops. I did feel the grittyness of the Arimith balls and finally found out that is the finish gradually wearing off. Glen also showed me what the Arimith ball cleaner was doing to the cloth so I quit using that. I've learned a lot.
 
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Did we ever get the answers why the OP's original items are hurting the game? I know we got a few of the answers. I did trade the Aramith Pro balls for Cyclops. I did feel the grittyness of the Arimith balls and finally found out that is the finish gradually wearing off. Glen also showed me what the Arimith ball cleaner was doing to the cloth so I quit using that. I've learned a lot.

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