What's hurt pool since I've been working in and around it for the last 34yrs.

mvp

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Looks like Video Gaming Tournaments pay out better than Pool Tournaments in America.
Only a handful 40+ make decent money just like Pool.

As of 2013, the 15 highest-paid professional gamers in the world earned between $226,776 and $454,544. Over the course of about two or three years, these pro gamers participated in an average of 30 tournaments around the world.

Some top prizes clock in at $100,000 to $200,000 for a single victory. In some exceptional cases, tournaments offer prize pools reaching into the millions of dollars, but that amount is typically divided among a winning team of about five or six players in a competitive multi-player game.

Reality Check
Being able to subsist solely on a pro gaming salary is a lofty dream indeed. "Business Insider" and e-Sports Earnings reported that only 60 professional gamers worldwide have earned more than $100,000 in prize money, as of 2013. Speaking to “The New York Times” in 2012, Sundance Giovanni of Major League Gaming estimates that “only about 40 people in the U.S. can make a living playing video games. I'd like to get it to a hundred. I think we're a year or two away from that.”

How is Professional Pool doing?


Making a living from video gaming is fairly easy since they live in their parents basement!
 

easy-e

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I did not say Rappers were not White.
I said that the people who purchase the vast majority of Rap are White
and romanticize The Thug Life.

You sure love arguing, don't you? I never said you said that, I'm merely letting you know about the best rappers on the planet.

<--------------Big rap fan
 

mchnhed

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BC21

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What about 9 Ball the movie?

Never heard of it, and that's a damned shame. I once had a nice collection of pool movies, some rare, like Chalk, or The Baltimore Bullet, or The Cincinnati Kid w/Johnny Cash. Sold them all.

The thing about obscure movies with few big-name stars is that the test runs for such films are done in a handful of cities. If a film bombs in those cities, no one else has a chance to even hear about it, unless they stumble over it in a forum somewhere...lol. I'm sure I've missed out on a lot of good pool movies because of this, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. We need a pool movie starring big-name actors/actresses. It's the only way a film would spark enough attention to do anything for the pool and billiard industry.
 

mchnhed

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See:
Ideas for Pool Movies
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=454313

9 Ball the Movie
https://youtu.be/wbM1XriWq-4

Never heard of it, and that's a damned shame. I once had a nice collection of pool movies, some rare, like Chalk, or The Baltimore Bullet, or The Cincinnati Kid w/Johnny Cash. Sold them all.

The thing about obscure movies with few big-name stars is that the test runs for such films are done in a handful of cities. If a film bombs in those cities, no one else has a chance to even hear about it, unless they stumble over it in a forum somewhere...lol. I'm sure I've missed out on a lot of good pool movies because of this, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. We need a pool movie starring big-name actors/actresses. It's the only way a film would spark enough attention to do anything for the pool and billiard industry.
 
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one stroke

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Making a living from video gaming is fairly easy since they live in their parents basement!

Ya that may be however if they picked up a pool stick at the same age the chance of being a pro is many times easier than becoming a pro gamer

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realkingcobra

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Ya that may be however if they picked up a pool stick at the same age the chance of being a pro is many times easier than becoming a pro gamer

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I didn't list video games as hurting pool for a reason, it's simple really. If any of you went up to a group of kids and asked them....while playing their video games, why don't they start playing pool instead. If just ONE of the kids in that group asked you ONE question, that question being, "what's in it for me to start playing pool? Can i make a lot of money? Can i get endorsement contracts to make even more money if I'm really good at playing pool?

What none of you seem to get, is yep...the kids today are playing video games alright, they also grow up to play Basketball, Baseball, Football, Tennis, hell...even Skate boarders....PROFESSIONALLY.....because there's money AND a future in Pro Sports....remind me again, what does playing pool have to offer? Everyone of you blaming kids today NOT playing pool because of cell phones, video games and all that bs....can't even lead by example by saying, HEY kids, look at me, I'm a sucessful POOL PLAYER....because everyine of you has a job to some extent that supports your life style....cuz it sure isn't supported from playing pool....so that makes all of you hypocrites....do as i say and not as I've done myself!
 

realkingcobra

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Why do you think they're trying to panhandle Chinese 8 ball here innthe usa....because it's NOT successful in China, thats why. Can't get but 5% of the population in China to watch....and it's the MOST populated country in the world! So they have no choice but to try and spread the game to other countries....which means SALES! But no one seems to be able to see through the smoke and mirrors....LOL
 

Shotcy

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Dont think phones are really killing pool but dam they are annoying. Hate when you start beating someone and they just have to be on the phone the entier time your shooting pretending not to care, and, when its their turn you have to tell them what ball they are on, solids/stripes.

Having to stop to make a phone call or answer one in the middle of a game. Ugh. So disrespectful. Kills the flow of the game.
 

KissedOut

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Why do you think they're trying to panhandle Chinese 8 ball here innthe usa....because it's NOT successful in China, thats why. Can't get but 5% of the population in China to watch....and it's the MOST populated country in the world! So they have no choice but to try and spread the game to other countries....which means SALES! But no one seems to be able to see through the smoke and mirrors....LOL

Cable outlets do just fine, drawing a fraction of 1% of the US population. But pool cannot come even close to that. Heck, Sunday at the US Open in GOLF topped the ratings list in its timeslot and didn't even get 2% of the
US population.

If pool could get 5% of the US population to watch it would be one of the biggest sports, after the big 4. It would swamp things like golf and tennis.

Instead, I doubt if more than 1% of the people who played pool at least once, in a given year, has watched pool on tv in any form, broadcast, cable, or streamed.

But yet, criticize Chinese 8-ball for achieving a success that US proponents of pool can only dream about.
 

realkingcobra

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Cable outlets do just fine, drawing a fraction of 1% of the US population. But pool cannot come even close to that. Heck, Sunday at the US Open in GOLF topped the ratings list in its timeslot and didn't even get 2% of the
US population.

If pool could get 5% of the US population to watch it would be one of the biggest sports, after the big 4. It would swamp things like golf and tennis.

Instead, I doubt if more than 1% of the people who played pool at least once, in a given year, has watched pool on tv in any form, broadcast, cable, or streamed.

But yet, criticize Chinese 8-ball for achieving a success that US proponents of pool can only dream about.

Got to stop looking at TV, cable, and satellite as the means of bringing pool to the masses as well as weekly tournaments won't fly. There's for sure a way of doing this as well as bringing in sponsors with big money....but not the way everyone is thinking;)
 

mchnhed

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There's for sure a way of doing this as well as bringing in sponsors with big money....
but not the way everyone is thinking;)
You have piqued our interest.
Go on.....

Deathball?
Mandatory Participation?
Outlaw all other activities?
Red Bull?
Dr. Billiard's Traveling Trick Shot Show featuring Venom in a mall near you?
Oh wait. The most popular thing on the internet is....Porn. Female Nude Pocket Pool?
 

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smashmouth

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oldie but never forgotten............"spas and pool tables" warehouses

marked up junk for the masses, an absolute staple of 80s and 90s billiards
 

HaroldWilson

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I would of never thought tighter pockets would be part of problem. I wonder if you feel it cause it's slowing down the pace of play ?

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maybe, but they definitely change the range of shots available to the player which IMHO is BS. OK the argument is that you can still play all of the shots HOWEVER the percentage of getting all of them is dramatically reduced with tight pockets. Is this a good thing?
 

Straightpool_99

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maybe, but they definitely change the range of shots available to the player which IMHO is BS. OK the argument is that you can still play all of the shots HOWEVER the percentage of getting all of them is dramatically reduced with tight pockets. Is this a good thing?

Agree. It's totally ruined pool IMO. What does tight pockets actually do (to non-world class players) which I'd guess comprise 99.999% percent of the pool playing population?

1. Slow down play. Not just overall, but most players tend to spend longer time on each individual shot. Which is IMO annoying.

2. Reduce amount of spectacular shots. Sure you could still make them, but the percentage is so low, that players who actually do get "weeded out" in a Darwinian process.

3. More safety play. I'm aware that some people find safety play thrilling. Those are the guys who play 9 safeties in a 9 ball match on a bar box...A great safety is a beautiful thing. 9 mediocre ones who only works because of pocket size are not (snooker style t-safes etc)

4. Scaring off beginners. After some beginners have spent 30 minutes hardly pocketing a ball, they get fed up. On a slightly higher level, even a B-player can get embarrassed by 4 inch pockets. You basically have to play every day to run out consistently on those. We want new blood, remember? Not just the poolhall bums with nowhere to go.

5. Alter shot selection. More rolling. Makes for ultimate specator boredom.

6. Fewer balls made on the break, depending on break rules. With a magic rack and 1 on the spot, this may not come in as much. But 8 ball...definitely, also 9 on the spot 9 ball etc.

7. Making balls on banks, kicks etc goes way down. Not only do they tend not to go more often, but close ones hang, punishing anyone foolish enough to try. So more safes....

8 I'd like to talk about something that's not mentioned a whole lot, but tightening side pockets is one of the worst things you can possibly do! For someone like myself, who play mostly straight pool, the sidepockets are very important to build patterns and of course to bail me out on occation. Tight side pockets can sometimes reject shots that are good, solely because of speed. It completely alters the game, the patterns etc and not for the better. It actually makes shots that are possible on a normal (not huge buckets) table completely physically impossible to make. To me, there is no upside to that, especially since it makes the alternative to these shots (banks) tougher also.

15 years ago, when I started playing pool seriously, we played on 5 inch pockets here. Maybe those were a tad too big, though I'd still recommend them for beginner play. 4 3/4 would have been better for most players perhaps. It was fun when I was a beginner, because I actually stood a chance at running out. Many of the best players from that time are still around, and you know what? They are still the best. In the pool pecking order, nothing changed by the pocket size. Only shot selection! So we get the same guys winning, and more boring pool. The only winner is the piss poor player who took forever to shoot even on 5 inch pockets, with no stroke and super defensive playing style. He is somewhat redeemed now that taking time and playing lots of safes is considered more legitimate and is done a little more by the better players. Of course he still loses, but he does marginally better overall I guess. At least he's not embarrased by the great players putting sixpacks on him and shooting amazing stroke shots that he couldn't do in a million years. He is also helped by faster rails, because before he couldn't get around the table to save his life. Now he occationally can.
 
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