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The point was that a "bad" diamond is still worth more than a good gc. Instead of waiting and paying for a fix, a red could be sold for close to the price of a replacement blue.
Whats the difference between RED, BLACK and BLUE label Diamond tables?
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The point was that a "bad" diamond is still worth more than a good gc. Instead of waiting and paying for a fix, a red could be sold for close to the price of a replacement blue.
No, when it comes to Brunswick's, we both prefer the new Superspeed cushions.
I must be in the minority because I've never met a pool table I hated. Beats sitting at the desk every time without fail
I wouldn't worry about it to much, usually novice pool players can't tell the difference between a good playing table from a bad playing one....:thumbup:
Hey now, you've got the 7, lol!
Now I know you're a novice....anyone that CAN really play....offers me the 5 and the breaks:grin:
OK, you've got action...But we have to play on my valley bar box.
Edit:. It will give me an excuse to get the damn laundry put away. And you prolly thought that a valley had no use.
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I have played Glen a few games.....you may be getting hustled
Yeah, I think I remember that his high rise in 14.1 is 160 or 180 or so. I'd say he can play.
Hey Glen, I have a question for you. I've played on blue labels in many different rooms across the country and the blue ones always bank great and predictable.
The RAC in Livonia Mi has three Blue tables. The original one banks great and the two new ones bank real short. Everyone there tells me the same thing, the two new ones bank short. Do you know why that is? I've never seen blue labels bank so short.
The RAC in Livonia Mi has three Blue tables. The original one banks great and the two new ones bank real short. Everyone there tells me the same thing, the two new ones bank short. Do you know why that is? I've never seen blue labels bank so short.
Happy New Year RKC! It was really nice talking to you recently. I'm very sorry for your recent losses...especially your wife. Sudden shit like that really takes the wind out of your sails! Thanks a lot for helping me, and I wish the best for you in 2017. Hopefully our paths will cross somewhere!
Scott Lee
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Scott Lee
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Well, that could fall under the who was installing cushions on that day at.the factory....Diamond has a tendency to go through employees and new employees putting cushions on....have a tendency to go through a learning process.....let's put it that way. Also, were.all the tables bought at.the same.time, or different time frames?
I tell ya Scott...I don't even know what to say anymore. I have a lot of questions....but God hasn't been answering.
If I were there I could fix that problem, so I'll see if I can get up there in the summer months, winter months is for heading south.
The two tables that bank short are about a year newer. They are replacing three of their GCs with three new Diamonds. Hopefully the next three bank well and the factory can fix those two short bankers.
After playing on those two Diamonds I'm not sure I can rank Diamond tables above GC:sorry:
I'm sorry to hear about your losses. I hope you have better years ahead
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Most of the Diamonds I have played on have banked short. The tables play great otherwise; but, IMO, the short-banking issue is a real problem. It sounds like Diamond has addressed the issue with newer tables and through appropriate adjustments to older tables, but there still seems to be a lot of short-banking Diamonds out there (in my experience anyway).
It seems like the bigger issue is with slow-speed kicks and banks. On the last couple of Diamonds I played on, the through-diamond two-to-one kicking/banking system requires major adjustments (as much as a third to a half diamond in some cases!). IMO, the fundamental kicking and banking systems should work (or at least be very close) on all pool tables. I honestly found it shocking that Diamond would put out tables that kick and bank so differently than what people have expected in pool equipment for so long. Again, hopefully, this problem is fixed going forward.
Regards,
Dave
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I guess some players, myself included, have a different perspective and expectations based on what we grew up playing on. For some players, there is a "new normal" I think. I grew up playing mostly on older diamonds and pinnacles, the old diamond predecessor. Did play on a couple beat up gold crowns too. In other words, variance was the norm, and adaptation is required.
It would be great if the industry could come to an agreement as to how a table should play, or at least develop some minimal standards that manufacturers actually observe. Seems like in pool even the rules of the games themselves vary sometimes greatly from tourney to tourney. The effect leaves the entire sport feeling gaffey at times.
For me, I'll play on whatever knowledgable players accept as normal and adapt to that.
Best,
JL
Obviously, a player needs to be able to adjust to any conditions (e.g., fast, new cloth in dry conditions vs. old sticky cloth in humid conditions); but under "normal" conditions (i.e., most tables from most manufacturers in good condition, with the same cloth and humidity level), a table should bank the way a knowledgeable player expects it to bank, IMO (realizing that adjustments always need to be made over a wide range of kick/bank shots to account for various kick/bank effects). In other words, I think the classic kick/bank aiming systems should work fairly well (without major adjustment) on all pool tables in similar and good condition.
It sounds like Diamond agrees and has made changes to correct the issue (although, I don't have personally tested any "new" Diamond equipment yet to personally know if this is the case or not).
Regards,
Dave
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You must not get out much, Diamond followed my advice and made the change to the blue label design in October 2010 over 6 years ago....LOL
We don't have Diamonds in Fort Collins pool halls, so the only time I play on them is in Denver and when I travel. Every Diamond table I've played on recently (mostly 7 footers), has played short with rolling 1-rail kicks and banks. The next time I get to play on Diamonds, I'll check if they are blue label or not, test to see if they play short or not, and try to find out when they were installed and by whom.
Catch you later,
Dave