Whitten cases made in china

[CocoboloCowboy]

All I know is I have an authentic JB case made in China and delivered in person and I would trade it for 10 Ivan Belmontes. thanks again JB.

I am waiting for a JB Custom Case that is DUE to be in my hands very soon. I had a JB Flowers Tribute CASE, it was taken to our community leather shop to show the guys who work with leather, at the suggestion of a Member of the Leather Shop who plays pool, and saw the CASE.

All I can saw is these EXPERTS were IMPRESS with John Barton Staff's Work, and could not believe it was made off shore!

 

[JB Cases]

John, I'm not sure I bashed anybody here, just told a couple of stories from my experience. Sorry you took it that way. I happen to like the Chinese people I have met, both here and abroad.

I didn't take it that way on your part. Just that your reporting is anecdotal and based on a limited experience.

I did find it strange that they didn't know who the first man on the Moon was though. You've been there three years and you still aren't aware of this phenomena. I found out by asking questions my first week there. I guess I'm just the curious type.

Not aware of what phenomena? First I don't consider it a phenomena that some people in China don't know (or recall the moment you ask them) who Neil Armstrong is. They also can't recite the presidents either and might not know who the first president of the United States was.

IMO Neil Armstrong is symbolic of an accomplishment by the human race, not any one country. His name will be remembered long after most other contemporary figures are long forgotten.

This is your opinon. No other country was invited to participate so to other countries it's a symbol of an accomplishment by an American for America.

Do you know who invented the compass? Ink? The printing press before Gutenberg? Gunpowder? What do you really know of Confucious and other Chinese philosophers and teachers? Do you know who Zheng Cheng Gong was, or Zheng He? Zheng He possibly discovered and colonized the South and North American continents 50 years before Columbus.

My point here is that you are taking tiny slices of life and using them represent a country with 5000 years of continuous history and 3000 years of recorded history.

My wife knew of Neil Armstrong. She did not associate the name until I reminded her and she said that the Chinese study this in school.

I do know that China invented gunpowder and what to do with it nearly 1,000 years ago. I have walked The Great Wall, and am aware that it is the most noticeable landmark on Earth when viewed from space. The ancient cities of China are among the oldest continuous communities on Earth, some with histories dating back thousands of years. In the midst of some metropolitan areas (Bejing/Peking and Guangzhou/Canton to name two) they have preserved the remains of ancient palaces and other structures long since buried by newer civilizations.

The Peoples Republic of China is a fascinating place to me, home to over 20% of the world's population, and some damn good pool players. It is an ancient culture which deserves our respect and study, in many ways more advanced than our "new" society.[/QUOTE]

You cannot see the Great Wall from space. Other than that I agree with everything in the preceding paragraphs.

 

[JB Cases]

Well JB I will say this for you you got some brass balls.

Two main problems the Whitten family have one is counterfieting and foreign competition.

You may not be doing the first, but you do exploit the chinese labor cost or you wouldn't be in China. I personally don't care if you want to become a Shao Lin monk and bash your groin with a 2 X 4.
(be my guest I believe in freedom).
But defending china in any way is an insult to this family and their business
Its like Lee Harvey Oswald consoloing Mrs. Kennedy
Now if you'd like to fork out $500,000 for all the loss you already done to their business (because they may not want to move to China they might like it here) . If not hush and stop tristing the knife

I realize this this is the World wide web not the American web
and I've been to many a foreign country. I due respect the chinese person proud of his chinese culture but an american living in China thats a little different.
MY BEST WISHES TO THE WHITTEN'S
I will pass the word to as many people I can.
It may not help at all but I'll feel better.

I think you have completely misread ALL of my posts. First of all I am on the side of the Whitten's and ALWAYS have been.

FOR THE RECORD I sent the Whittens images of the catalog that contains their cases for sale here in China. I did this LAST YEAR well before the Whittens decided to bring this to the forums.

Secondly Joe Whitten has explained in this thread that they were in talks with this company with the idea of producing a separate line of Whitten cases in China. And instead of that deal being consummated the TAIWANESE company decided instead to just go ahead an steal Whitten's brand and use it illegally in China and Asia to make and sell counterfeit cases.

And lastly, the defense of "China" is to set the record straight on what life is REALLY like here as opposed to the stereotypes created by snippets of stories in the media. When I came to China I really believed those stories and walked around scared to death all the time. Now I know what it's like here and it's just life, life like anywhere else.

I have cost the Whittens nothing. I am in no way shape or form responsible for any loss that they have incurred by this counterfeiting. In fact, I very much doubt that it's more than a few thousand because the people who really want a Whitten branded cases know enough to find out where the real ones are. The story is already all over the message boards in Chinese so that aspect is covered.

On the contrary though my former company Instroke has lost millions, with $10,000,000 being a conservative estimate from knockoffs produced by the Long Chan factory over the past 13 years. They copied every model we made and lied to the American importer and consumer as to the materials used.

Please spend some time reading over what I write and absorbing it before going off on me. It doesn't do either of us any good to start insulting each other. I encourage you to think a little deeper. You will be much better off for it instead of continuing to willfully live in misguided anger based on ignorance of the subject you are angry about.

 

[Scott Lee]

Kickin' Chicken...And you know this how? You lived in China for how long? Oh...not at all? Guess you have no direct knowledge to base your comment on, huh? JB at least LIVES there, and has commented several times (just in this thread) that high quality products are being manufactured in China (including pool cues), and if you have the right contacts, you are able to purchase them.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Chinese product quality is, well, an oxymoron.

Best,

Brian, KC

 

[jay helfert]

I didn't take it that way on your part. Just that your reporting is anecdotal and based on a limited experience.



Not aware of what phenomena? First I don't consider it a phenomena that some people in China don't know (or recall the moment you ask them) who Neil Armstrong is. They also can't recite the presidents either and might not know who the first president of the United States was.



This is your opinon. No other country was invited to participate so to other countries it's a symbol of an accomplishment by an American for America.

Do you know who invented the compass? Ink? The printing press before Gutenberg? Gunpowder? What do you really know of Confucious and other Chinese philosophers and teachers? Do you know who Zheng Cheng Gong was, or Zheng He? Zheng He possibly discovered and colonized the South and North American continents 50 years before Columbus.

My point here is that you are taking tiny slices of life and using them represent a country with 5000 years of continuous history and 3000 years of recorded history.

My wife knew of Neil Armstrong. She did not associate the name until I reminded her and she said that the Chinese study this in school.



The Peoples Republic of China is a fascinating place to me, home to over 20% of the world's population, and some damn good pool players. It is an ancient culture which deserves our respect and study, in many ways more advanced than our "new" society.

You cannot see the Great Wall from space. Other than that I agree with everything in the preceding paragraphs.[/QUOTE]
This is John's statement to me.


John, My point being that there are few modern societies on planet Earth where the name of the first man on the Moon is not something they learn in school. If these Chinese students are really as educated as you say they are, then why wouldn't they know (or remember) something as historic as this.

I would bet that if I went to Great Britain, Spain, France, Italy, Russia, India or Japan, the majority of people on the street would know his name. Neil Armstrong is an important historical figure, more so than almost any other explorer. A thousand years from now his name will still be well known, but Columbus' may not be.

And yes, you absolutely can see the Great Wall from the space station. Many astronauts have reported this fact. It is one of the few visible landmarks. The Great Wall may be the single most remarkable engineering feat so far by man. It is not visible with the naked eye from the Moon but can still be "seen" by radar.

 

[JB Cases]

You cannot see the Great Wall from space. Other than that I agree with everything in the preceding paragraphs.

This is John's statement to me.

John, My point being that there are few modern societies on planet Earth where the name of the first man on the Moon is not something they learn in school. If these Chinese students are really as educated as you say they are, then why wouldn't they know (or remember) something as historic as this.

I would bet that if I went to Great Britain, Spain, France, Italy, Russia, India or Japan, the majority of people on the street would know his name. Neil Armstrong is an important historical figure, more so than almost any other explorer. A thousand years from now his name will still be well known, but Columbus' may not be.

And yes, you absolutely can see the Great Wall from the space station. Many astronauts have reported this fact. It is one of the few visible landmarks. The Great Wall may be the single most remarkable engineering feat so far by man. It is not visible with the naked eye from the Moon but can still be "seen" by radar.

Jay, Jay, Jay........save your money. If it's a billiard history question I'd go all in betting on your knowledge and memory of events.

If it's something to do with anything outside of pool then I'd have to pick the 5th grader

http://www.snopes.com/science/greatwall.asp - I actually look this stuff up before repeating such things these days. It so happens that I spent some time researching the "can see the Great Wall from space" claim a few months ago.

As for the Neil Armstrong question; I will be willing to bet you that at least 30% of Americans between the age of 20 and 30 don't know who Neil Armstrong is without some prodding. I'd further bet that a good number of people you asked would likely say something like "he's Lance Armstrong's father."

I don't know why you are so defensive about this. Would it soothe you if I went and found a Chinese textbook to prove to you that Chinese kids are taught that Neil Armstrong was the first man on the moon? Here is a link from Baidu, the number one Chinese search engine http://www.baidu.com/s?wd=neil+armstrong

Want to bet that most Americans can't tell you who Jonas Salk is either? His contribution to humanity was far greater than Neil Armstrong's. Or Tim Berners Lee? Can you tell me who he is without looking him up?

I will take you up on your bet next time we are both in the Philippines together. I think that you would agree that they are modern enough that they should learn who Neil Armstrong is in school. We can easily verify it through our many Filipino friends on this board. I will bet you a very good Filipino meal that if we ask 50 individuals who Neil Armstrong is that the majority - 26 or more will not know who he is without prodding.

Now I really need to get back to work, on Ming's stuff as well as others. I do need to actually TALK to you so if you don't mind would you PM me a phone number?

 

[Blue Hog ridr]

I bet they can see your posts from outer space.

 

[smokey]

i fn knew it from Jays original post, and here it is; China Bashing...

Maybe but how many Chinese pop stars do you know of? How about Chinese cultural icons?

Is the American educational and media censored because they don't teach Chinese history or report on Chinese entertainment?

I think it's very hard for Western people to understand that a huge part of the population in China is just not interested in American culture. They have their own here and it's deep. That's not to say that they aren't influenced by Western culture. They are of course because the musicians all know who the Beatles were.

I know you are a betting man Jay. So I will make this bet with you. I will take a Chinese sixth grader and you can have an American 12th grader and we will give them both simple math problems and I bet the Chinese sixth grader will outperform the American 12th grader.

I think though that if you really got to know more people here you would find that your perceptions change. People do know who the Beatles are and what's going on in the world.

I'd bet that the Chinese on average consume more American tv than Americans do. I say this because of the rabid consumption of all tv shows and movies that happens here. Have you ever seen a "Prison Break" T-shirt? They were all over the place here last year until everyone got through all the seasons and it's over.

And of course the internet - which everyone has - literally every shop has internet and people are on it all the time and they all know how to get around the Chinese government's firewall. But they don't need to because China has versions of everything that we have and more.

I don't know this for sure but I'd bet that they teach who Neil Armstrong is in school here. I will find out tomorrow. I am not surprised though that the average adult wouldn't recall who that is. Just like when Jay Leno goes out on the street in Burbank and asks American adults simple historical questions and they can't answer them. Most people don't retain what they don't use without effort. People like you and me do because we are reflective and being able to remember events and facts is important to what we do. We also have reverence for national heroes like Neil Armstrong and to the Chinese he's an American who did something on behalf of America. Ask them about their own heroes and they can tell you all about them because they have respect and reverence for their own.

Jeeze how did this freaking thread turn into another ****ing China bashing frenzy.

I swear this is my last post on this. Chinese people sweat and fornicate and procreate and live and die like the rest of us. People try to remember that these are HUMAN BEINGS here.

Who gives a shit about their government? All governments are corrupt and full of corrupt people clinging to power. No matter what government you HAPPEN to live under you still have to figure out how to make a life. If you are an American reading this then consider yourself lucky that you born an American in the modern era. You could have been born as a Chinese or Cuban or an African or a Haitian etc....

Keep this crap in the NPR section. If you want to bash China then go there and go off.

"You can bomb the world to pieces but you can't bomb it into peace." - Spearhead

Jay, let me be frank with you - you are a great human being, you are a great dad, you are one of the Greatest for Pool i have ever met and you know i bought 3 of your books only because i truly loved it and wanted to share it with family and friends...

trust me when i say - from all i have learned about pool, you are truly one of the Heros of this game with complete integrity...

so please don't get me wrong, cause now i will criticize you: you are completely nescient about China, PERIOD. we can't even discuss it, sri. i have had business there since 1987, and i will clearly ask you - do you really want to argue with me? i hoped as i asked you in a much earlier post in very simple terms, "please trust me". and i will ask you again, please trust me my friend.

and i don't want to single you out, but i will say to everybody on this sight, in very certain terms, there is not a single one of you who knows as much about China as i do - PERIOD, FINISHED, END OF STORY!

but i will admit, that John, has really gained a great deal of understanding in a short time [a lot faster than me for sure] about the real China and the real Chinese People.

i will add just a few words:
whitten must realize that products get what is called "knocked off" and even Nike has "knocked off me" a few times [and i do have patents] - that's fn life so you have no choice but to live with it. did it hurt, yes, but do you think i will fight Nike - they have billions of dollars to fight me, i have a home and a little money, who will win? is there anybody who can guess?

am i crying and being a baby, hardly - i just move on

that's my suggestion to the whittens...

and finally, nice post barton; you did good kid in a very short time; my compliments and respect...

no hard feeling and i love you all [we are just friendly pool players, right? i hope so...],
smokey

 

[jay helfert]

Okay, I'm gonna shut up about China now, except for one positive comment. I do "know" that pool is booming over there, with huge new poolrooms opening everywhere. I think that's very cool, and great for the future of our sport. A whole new market has opened up, but the trick to getting into that market may have to be left up to experts like JB and Smokey. It appears that an American manufacturer must have a very good representative living in the country.

In the meantime, I'll try to sneak in and get another One Pocket game (as Chris said, "That's what I do"). I'd love to translate my book to Chinese (both Mandarin and Cantonese), but wouldn't know where to begin. I think they would enjoy the stories just as much over there.

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

I love chineese food also!

 

[smokey]

hey jay, kinda personal but i can openly post...

Okay, I'm gonna shut up about China now, except for one positive comment. I do "know" that pool is booming over there, with huge new poolrooms opening everywhere. I think that's very cool, and great for the future of our sport. A whole new market has opened up, but the trick to getting into that market may have to be left up to experts like JB and Smokey. It appears that an American manufacturer must have a very good representative living in the country.

In the meantime, I'll try to sneak in and get another One Pocket game (as Chris said, "That's what I do"). I'd love to translate my book to Chinese (both Mandarin and Cantonese), but wouldn't know where to begin. I think they would enjoy the stories just as much over there.

i am sri, i just have very poor manners sometimes, maybe more than a few times on AZB, huh? i wish i could be more like my wife, but despite trying a million times - i just can't seem to make it

please do not let me shut you up - ever. and i can say this again as i have said it many times before, i [and an awful lot of others] really look up to you. i know there are many really great people involved in pool, snooker and 3c, but of all i have run into in my short time with pool, you are truly unbelievable in so many ways and i have truly Great Respect for YOU

please trust me when i say i know China, kinda like i trust you so much about pool, and you just being such a "bright spot" with all your posts on AZB not only about pool, but about life too

i know i have different ways than many here, and i know i am too outspoken [to a fault]. but i never mean harm, and i never mean to shut anybody up

let me finish with this: i think barton can help with the translations for Pool Wars, but if not, i will try. and i think it could be a great hit in Pu Tong Wa, cause not only for pool players, but also for many Mainland Chinese to read about an American Life...

all the best,
smokey

 

[ugotactionTX]

Now that there's pretty funny

I bet they can see your posts from outer space.

-------------------------

 

[jay helfert]

i am sri, i just have very poor manners sometimes, maybe more than a few times on AZB, huh? i wish i could be more like my wife, but despite trying a million times - i just can't seem to make it

please do not let me shut you up - ever. and i can say this again as i have said it many times before, i [and an awful lot of others] really look up to you. i know there are many really great people involved in pool, snooker and 3c, but of all i have run into in my short time with pool, you are truly unbelievable in so many ways and i have truly Great Respect for YOU

please trust me when i say i know China, kinda like i trust you so much about pool, and you just being such a "bright spot" with all your posts on AZB not only about pool, but about life too

i know i have different ways than many here, and i know i am too outspoken [to a fault]. but i never mean harm, and i never mean to shut anybody up

let me finish with this: i think barton can help with the translations for Pool Wars, but if not, i will try. and i think it could be a great hit in Pu Tong Wa, cause not only for pool players, but also for many Mainland Chinese to read about an American Life...

all the best,
smokey

I'll take you up on that Smokey. I want my book to reach more people.

P.S. Your manners are fine. I may know pool, but on other subjects I often fall short. My apologies. And thanks for the kind words. I'm not so sure I deserve it. I am an unabashed supporter of this great sport and fortunate to be in a position where I can make a difference. Like so many others on here, I love to see a good match between great players.

 

[smokey]

Done...

I'll take you up on that Smokey. I want my book to reach more people.

P.S. Your manners are fine. I may know pool, but on other subjects I often fall short. My apologies. And thanks for the kind words. I'm not so sure I deserve it. I am an unabashed supporter of this great sport and fortunate to be in a position where I can make a difference. Like so many others on here, I love to see a good match between great players.

jay, i will send barton a PM as i think he dropped this thread due to heartache over China bashing and i don't blame him cause it is hard to see folks bashed when they are the same folks you see everyday and whom you love and respect. anyway, i am sure he can get this done, but if not, i will find a way...

and i think as i said above, i feel Mainland Chinese will love your book, not just players, but many young kids cause it is a great example of an "American Life" and they will love that aspect most of all

and for the numbnuts [here i go again] i will add: even in '87 the kids in China were all wearing USA Military flak jackets in the cold and Michael Jordan tees and tank tops in the warmer weather; and about that time they had already started broadcasting USA basketball all over China

finally and on a personal note, i will add, i always mean 'every word i say' [i just don't express them well far too often]

all the best,
smokey

 

[BlowFish]

I'll take you up on that Smokey. I want my book to reach more people.

P.S. Your manners are fine. I may know pool, but on other subjects I often fall short. My apologies. And thanks for the kind words. I'm not so sure I deserve it. I am an unabashed supporter of this great sport and fortunate to be in a position where I can make a difference. Like so many others on here, I love to see a good match between great players.

And make sure you flood the market right on the onset, before it gets copied. Don't tell me I didn't warn you... :smile:

Nice thread and very entertaining...

(Been living in HK for close to 19yrs)

 

[Kickin' Chicken]

update on toxic chinese drywall

It was reported yesterday that Florida Senator Bill Nelson approached China's President Hu at a nuclear sucurity meeting in Washington, DC to discuss the vast problems created by his country's imported drywall. Nelson says up to 50,000 homes in Florida are affected. Many more around the US.

FYI, the gypsum mines in China are state owned.

EPA testing of the drywall has revealed strontium (a by-product of nuclear waste), high sulpher, and laquer.

Below are 3 You Tube video clips and one news link, all discussing the problem.

China is not a good trading partner. I'm sure that on a small scale, and if you proceed with great care, you can find and enjoy a good trading relationship with some in China. However, on a large scale, we continue to see the US and so many other countries worldwide, flooded with horrible quality, often dangerous, products from China. That's just the way it is.

Click on the links below.

Best,
Brian kc

http://southflorida.bizjournals.com/southflorida/stories/2010/04/12/daily38.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMZxl2YIkrc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZh28lhyb5g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XavFiGeWssM

 

[Rick S.]

no stopping them....

I got caught up in the 'knock offs' buying golf clubs...accidently.

Bought a set of Ping G15 irons and Driver (700.00) off Craigslist for my son. Sent them to Ping for them to adjust loft-lie of the clubs. Ping contacts him. and tells him they are 'counterfeit' clubs.

They looked perfect...I have been using Pings for over 25 yrs now, so I do have an idea what to look for. Completely fooled me...

I was lucky, the guy refunded the 700 after contacting him.

This site has ANY club (Titleist, Callaway, Ping, Nike) and they are ALL knock offs. http://www.discountsgolfclubs.com/index.php

If these guys can't stop them....a 'normal' merchant has ZERO chance.

 

[smokey]

hey chicken...

It was reported yesterday that Florida Senator Bill Nelson approached China's President Hu at a nuclear sucurity meeting in Washington, DC to discuss the vast problems created by his country's imported drywall. Nelson says up to 50,000 homes in Florida are affected. Many more around the US.

FYI, the gypsum mines in China are state owned.

EPA testing of the drywall has revealed strontium (a by-product of nuclear waste), high sulpher, and laquer.

Below are 3 You Tube video clips and one news link, all discussing the problem.

China is not a good trading partner. I'm sure that on a small scale, and if you proceed with great care, you can find and enjoy a good trading relationship with some in China. However, on a large scale, we continue to see the US and so many other countries worldwide, flooded with horrible quality, often dangerous, products from China. That's just the way it is.

Click on the links below.

Best,
Brian kc

http://southflorida.bizjournals.com/southflorida/stories/2010/04/12/daily38.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMZxl2YIkrc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZh28lhyb5g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XavFiGeWssM

what are you trying to say????

China ""FUNNELED" THE SHEETROCK HERE????

and are you saying; it was from the government????

do you know that your body has strontium too? and yes my boy, it is radioactive

why do you think that radio carbon dating can be done, it is only because we all have strontium and its period of decay [which i believe is a half life of 2300 years, without checking] is what enables us to date

further, the epa sucks. i have toilets that have to be flushed 4 times, there were airbags that killed many infants [the wonderful epa] and they eliminated the shoe business in the USA from where i made to the tune of about 36,000 pairs a day here in the good old USA [now not a pair], cause tanners were not allowed to use proper chemicals to tan, and shoe manufacturing could not use a slew of other chemicals all of which i could buy as a kid and if you only know how much lead and mercury i handled [no gloves] while eating my lunch as a kid you could never believe i was able to have children and also be so old and still kicking

besides, did you ever consider, that cleansing of gypsum could eliminate some of the mostly pretty benevolent stuff that the epa said is carcinogens [but only targeted by our wonderful epa so they demonstrate to us all what a wonderful thing they are doing] but the buyers [Americans, importers that is] here only want the cheapest crap that can be made and are really responsible for all of the crisis's that have happened in the past, and mattel is chief amongst them?

i give up, but anyway, all the best as always,
smokey

 

[Kickin' Chicken]

what are you trying to say????

Only what I said, no more, no less.

China ""FUNNELED" THE SHEETROCK HERE????

Yes, they (China) got real busy following 2 major Florida hurricanes and Louisiana's Katrina. Ninety million pounds of toxic sheetrock was sent here from China during that time.

and are you saying; it was from the government????

China, the government, owns the gypsum mines and production facilities where the drywall is made.

do you know that your body has strontium too? and yes my boy, it is radioactive

No need to be condescending. I think the more appropriate question given the topic is do we want to live in a home built with toxic sheetrock where we, and the home itself, are subjected to radioactivity and high sulphur? The emmisions in these homes are causing nose bleeds, headaches, and respiratory problems. Property damages include copper corrosion, bad odors, and even damage to the occupant's jewelery. I do not believe that even if my body contains trace amounts of strontium, naturally, I would want to be in a situation that invites more exposure, daily.

further, the epa sucks. i have toilets that have to be flushed 4 times, there were airbags that killed many infants [the wonderful epa] <snip>

I do not believe airbag safety falls under the responsibility of the EPA. As for your toilet problem, I assume it's to do with mandated water saving measures. Doesn't that inconvenience pale in comparison to what the homeowners with the bad drywall are going through? You can, for instance, buy a premium toilet like a Toto (they flush like a tornado with very little water) and very likely your problem will be over. They have no such possibility for a quick fix.

besides, did you ever consider, that cleansing of gypsum could eliminate some of the mostly pretty benevolent stuff that the epa said is carcinogens

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "benevolent stuff". As for cleaning the gypsum, are you suggesting this be done before shipping to the US or after it's been installed in a home? First, I would have no idea if this could be cleaned but it seems very unlikely as these dangerous compounds appear to be mixed in with the sheetrock. It doesn't strike me as something that could be scrubbed clean. As an expert remediator said on one of the you tube clips, the bad drywall, plumbing, wiring, supports, etc. would all have to be removed, so, for all intents and purposes, the affected homes are total losses. There was no mention of cleaning the drywall.

i give up, but anyway, all the best as always,
smokey

Never give up, we can't give up, we're pool players...

Best,
Brian kc

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

One of the guy were I live was on the rampage yesterday because his friend just bought a KIA, he went on and on about buy AMERICAN MADE CARS. The rampage stopped when I mention his FORD PICKUP TRUCK would not run with out the components made out of the USA.

Don't blame the people in the workers, and companies off shore or to the north, and south for the problem. Blame Corporate America and the CEO's many of who make in a year what some 10 American families could only dream about making in a life time.

It is all about Profits! IMHO.