Who is the Greatest Female Pocket Billiard Player in History?

Jean is the best pool playing female ever and for all times, until another freak comes along!

Just like what THE BEARD said, Jean beat every top male player at one time or another in tournament play.

There is not a lady in the world today or any other day that would or could do that.

The best women players of today would need atlease the 6 ball or more playing the best men players!

I dont think MS.Bulukas would of needed that kind of weight from the men!
 
Jean is the best pool playing female ever and for all times, until another freak comes along!

Just like what THE BEARD said, Jean beat every top male player at one time or another in tournament play.

There is not a lady in the world today or any other day that would or could do that.

The best women players of today would need atlease the 6 ball or more playing the best men players!

I dont think MS.Bulukas would of needed that kind of weight from the men!

It's a shame, both the women and men didn't treat Jean very well. Neither side wanted Jean playing in their tournaments. The women were jealous because they couldn't beat her. The men were against women in general and were especially afraid of getting beat by a woman.

Allison is a great player, no doubt. However, Jean had the power stroke that was needed for the slower cloth of her era. Allison could have the advantage on fast cloth but she doesn't have the stroke to keep up with Jean on a slow track.
 
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It's a shame, both the women and men didn't treat Jean very well. Neither side wanted Jean playing in their tournaments. The women were jealous because they couldn't beat her. The men were against women in general and were especially afraid of getting beat by a woman.

Agreed, and what a shame. I hope it didn't hasten Jean's retirement, but it's hard to think it didn't.

Allison is a great player, no doubt. However, Jean had the power stroke that was needed for the slower cloth of her era. Allison could have the advantage on fast cloth but she doesn't have the stroke to keep up with Jean on a slow track.

Bottom line, long race (like a TAR match format) with winner breaks, Jean's power game and consequent ability to string racks prevails.
 
A first for me...

In my estimation that would have to be Mary Jane Patterson.
Mary Jane spent her early years in West Memphis, Arkansas, but unfortunately, at the tender age of thirteen was unceremoniously abandoned by her parents. Her maternal aunt, Sally Bemstien, also known as "Two Tooth" Sally, who was the owner of a popular hot pillow joint down on Canal street in Galveston, Texas, took the child in and raised her as her own.
Life was not easy for the young girl. There were sheets to wash, floors to scrub, spittoons to empty, and the occasional blood spatters to clean from the walls.
It was during this time that Mary Jane, when time allowed, learned to play pool on the old Gandy five by ten, located in the back room. She became proficient in all the rotation games, but her forte was One Pocket. Men would come from as far away as Houston, and Corpus Christi, just to lose a weeks pay playing her. By the time Mary Jane was eighteen years old she had put back enough money from her winnings at the pool table to enroll in the University of Texas.
Sadly, her desire to become a Longhorn was not fulfilled. On the night before she was to leave for Austin, Mary Jane was sitting with some friends, having a drink and talking about better days to come, when a gunshot rang out. Mary Jane was struck in the right temple and died immediately.
Witnesses reported that at the time of Mary Jane's death her aunt Sally was in an adjacent room giving a lap dance to an inebriated customer, when half way through the dance she shit all over the guy. Incensed, and sickened at the same time, the man drew a pistol from his vest pocket and shot Sally through the heart. The bullet exited her backside, penetrated the paper thin wall, striking Mary Jane.
Sally, as it turns out, suffered from CED, or chronic explosive diarrhea. A condition known only to herself and the family Doctor.
Many have said that Mary Jane Patterson possessed all the tools necessary to become a world champion pool player if only her luck hadn't turned to shit. :smile:

That is the first "great pool player" story that I wish I had never heard.
Keep it unrepulsive. Alfie
 
Jean Balukas is my pick for the greatest female player of all time. I was the first male pro player that she played when she was allowed to compete against the men. She made an example out of me, beating me 11 to 2, shooting an accu-stats game number of plus 900! She went on to beat Kim Davenport, Mike LeBron and a few others in that same tournament. She eventually beat every good male player at least once on the tourn trail before she retired.

However, for a G-note a game, 9-ball on the bar table, I couldnt bet against Lori -- playing any girl. For big money, Lori intimidated good-playing men.

Beard

Lori could woof and shark, Jeannie did no such things. and yes, I did have the hots for Lori, but my opinion still stands.

This is an excerpt from EOPH, my book:
I just realized that I wrote this previously, long before I answered with the above post. It's strange, that I posted the above opinion almost verbatim from what I wrote years ago.

Lori Shampo
Detroit, MI – Highest rolling female pool player – Probably the best for the cash
I was totally fascinated by Lori, and I always thought that there was also a little reciprocation on her part. Unfortunately, she was always flanked by her Detroit boyfriend, so we could only exchange looks. I often daydreamed about non-lethal accidents befalling her boyfriend, so that I could sweep in and get to hang with her.
Not getting closer to Lori was one of my life's few regrets. She had everything I looked for in a woman; gorgeous face, great body, fun personality, shot good, bet high, woofed good, and was fearless with a big heart.
She was the best big-money playing woman of all time. She could play for $5,000 a set, or $1,000 a game Nine- ball on the bar table.
I happen to be another one of those who wouldn’t know who to bet on between her and Jean Balukas, playing for a thousand a game on the bar table. Against any other woman in the world at that time, for the big cheese, Lori was stealing.

Beard
 
This is an excerpt from EOPH, my book:
I just realized that I wrote this previously, long before I answered with the above post. It's strange, that I posted the above opinion almost verbatim from what I wrote years ago.

Lori Shampo
Detroit, MI – Highest rolling female pool player – Probably the best for the cash
I was totally fascinated by Lori, and I always thought that there was also a little reciprocation on her part. Unfortunately, she was always flanked by her Detroit boyfriend, so we could only exchange looks. I often daydreamed about non-lethal accidents befalling her boyfriend, so that I could sweep in and get to hang with her.
Not getting closer to Lori was one of my life's few regrets. She had everything I looked for in a woman; gorgeous face, great body, fun personality, shot good, bet high, woofed good, and was fearless with a big heart.
She was the best big-money playing woman of all time. She could play for $5,000 a set, or $1,000 a game Nine- ball on the bar table.
I happen to be another one of those who wouldn’t know who to bet on between her and Jean Balukas, playing for a thousand a game on the bar table. Against any other woman in the world at that time, for the big cheese, Lori was stealing.

Beard

This brings up a point (the bar box). There probably is not a thread on AZ (when speaking about who is the greatest, man or woman), that tables and equipment does not come up. It is like people think the tables of the past are mysteriously easy to play on as compared to today's. Or they don't think 10' tables were around back in the 50s, in which they were. So, if the size of a table matters now, why does it not judging the 70s, 80s etc? Does being good on a bar box really make you in contention for the best in history? The way people judge the accomplishments of yesterdays champs it does. They say well, the equipment was easier back then. They had smaller tables, bigger pockets blah blah...

I hear it all the time, Mosconi ran 526 on an 8' table not a 9'. But yet no one ever thinks about the fact the balls are a bit more cluttered on an 8' table, possible slower cloth (depending what era). Good Simonis has been around quite a while, as well as other good cloths (not positive on years though). But players like Mosconi could adapt easily, so a 9' Diamond or 10' Diamond or Gold Crown would not present much of a challenge to any of them imo.
 
The fastest table I've ever played on was back in 1986 at the Clyde Childress Memorial tournament.

So...when people say the equipment is so much different today then back in the 1980's, I just don't think they played back then. Even today there are fast tables and slow tables.

Even with Daimond tables, I've played on some that had bucket pockets and some with tight pockets. Even the rails on Diamonds are different from one table to another.

I just don't see that big of a difference. I've seen many Brunswick tables back in the 1980's with tight pockets.
 
In golf their was a guy named MO Norman many have said the best ball striker that has ever lived and possibly could have been the best player ever if not for the fact he was black balled from the tour because he was a little off the norm.
We judge who's the best by the hardware. Ye with the most hardware wins , anything else is hypothetical


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In reading this thread I can only hope that one of these days men and women players will all be able to compete together.

Nothing wrong with a women's league or a men's league, I just feel that if we are to find out who the best players in the world are that there should be a format that allows coed play.

I have read a lot about Jean Balukas on this thread, I am sorry to say that I have never seen Jean play and would have loved to.

Have fun and a good day. :smile:

John
 
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In golf their was a guy named MO Norman many have said the best ball striker that has ever lived and possibly could have been the best player ever if not for the fact he was black balled from the tour because he was a little off the norm.
We judge who's the best by the hardware. Ye with the most hardware wins , anything else is hypothetical

Moe Norman was NEVER blackballed from any tour.
He was borderline autistic and had fairly severe OCD issues - a condition created after a traumatic head injury as a young child.
He was without question as good of a ball strike as anyone ever - but you don't win championships on a driving range. And golf is alot more than just ball striking. Just like playing pool is alot more than ball pocketing.
 
In reading this thread I can only hope that one of these days men and women players will all be able to compete together.

Nothing wrong with a women's league or a men's league, I just feel that if we are to find out who the best players in the world are that there should be a format that allows coed play.

I have read a lot about Jean Balukas on this thread, I am sorry to say that I have never seen Jean play and would have loved to.

Have fun and a good day. :smile:

John

While not as good as watching matches in person, there is a few of her on youtube. Playing Robin Bell and one against Ewa Mataya. While not her best pool matches, it is pretty good. You certainly will hear what Steve Mizerak thought of her game.
 
In reading this thread I can only hope that one of these days men and women players will all be able to compete together.

Nothing wrong with a women's league or a men's league, I just feel that if we are to find out who the best players in the world are that there should be a format that allows coed play.

I have read a lot about Jean Balukas on this thread, I am sorry to say that I have never seen Jean play and would have loved to.

Have fun and a good day. :smile:

John




Her's a clip of her on "I got a secret" whne she was 6 years old

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNAtK-Qhlqg


His a clip of her playing Ewa Lawrence


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL2gr7ZSOJg
 
I remember seeing Jean playing on TV. She was unbeatable.

Does anyone remember a match that she was playing where she made a number of unfavorable comments about her opponent? If so, who was she playing and was this the reason she stopped playing. Was she blackballed due to her remarks in this match or did she exit on her own? I definitely remember something happening.
 
In terms of "era"

Personally, I believe there's a "greatest" per era, and not all time. Jean Balukas, a legend and prodigy of an era, Allison Fisher very soon thereafter. It's like Jimmy Connors and Roger Federer in tennis. My .000002 and 1/10th grain of salt.
 
I remember seeing Jean playing on TV. She was unbeatable.

Does anyone remember a match that she was playing where she made a number of unfavorable comments about her opponent? If so, who was she playing and was this the reason she stopped playing. Was she blackballed due to her remarks in this match or did she exit on her own? I definitely remember something happening.

I believe you are speaking of the Balukas vs Robin Bell match? She really was directing it more at the luck than at Robin though. And I gotta admit I would have been pretty disgusted too. The flaw with games like 9 ball. Slop counts... The match is on YouTube if it is the one you speaking of.
 
... Does anyone remember a match that she was playing where she made a number of unfavorable comments about her opponent? If so, who was she playing and was this the reason she stopped playing. Was she blackballed due to her remarks in this match or did she exit on her own? I definitely remember something happening.

I don't know whether it is 100% accurate, but the Wikipedia page about Jean Balukas will certainly give you the gist of it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Balukas
 
there are a ton of top notch female players in china. some of the best female players ever for sure
 
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