i guess im not as good as i thought.
they told me at the us open it was 950 against mika.
i guess they were wrong.
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i guess im not as good as i thought.
they told me at the us open it was 950 against mika.
i guess they were wrong.
when you play a person all night it shows who the better player is.
Vintage Earl, circa late 80's to mid 90's! He was putting sixes and sevens on people in nearly every match he played. If he only ran a five, it was a bad match!
That was the Burbank tournament where Mosconi came out of retirement in 1966. He finished second to Balsis after losing to Cisero Murphy. He nearly had a fit and took a swing at the promoter.
This is one of the more ignorant posts I've read in a while. Maybe you think Keith McCready and Dennis Orcullo or Jose Parica perhaps is a chump. lol.
Really? Anyone with pool experience is questioning this? The longer you play and the game, (8, 9, 10,) changes the odds considerably. Any real time stakehorse wouldnt bet a game unless its a long game. It takes all of the luck out of the game.
Good perspective. Short races mean nothing. Money games are what really count. I would even take a short race against just about anyone. Its the 10 and 15 ahead games that really show who the real pro is.
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Great players Smooooooth out some quicker than others after playing hours and hours. I played Earl in Long Beach back in the late 70's at Paramount Billiards on Long Beach Blvd, (dirty), tight 9' gold crowns, Adam Brostoskis place. I got the 8, then the call 8, then the last two, earl now stuck $2,000 uncorked. By this time I was in dead punch and I said I'll play even and he kept walkin', on his way out the door I said, "learn to follow your cue ball kid and you'll be a great player". We all know the rest of the story.
Didn't see many players come huntin' for Ether at the time in Costa Mesa at the original Hard Times. I played him once with the 8 beat em the first set, he started getting in gear and had me 10-6 down and rolled out a long bank and I run out the set, luckily he was out of money after two sets, why, because I would of kept playing and I knew after that second set I couldn't beat him with the 8 and I would of emptied out.
Both above matches were two shot shoot out.
Earl was a machine
Earl in from the early 80s was a machine. The Earl now is nowhere near the player he was at that time I like Earl a lot he was good to me. When he was 19-35 years old he BBQ'd people before he stopped gambling he couldn't get a game playing 9ball anywhere. Before he stopped gambling he would give out big weight and outrun the nuts giving champions the 6ball and putting BIG packages on them. Earl had a killer instinct and the bigger the pressure shot the better he hit it. Before he stopped gambling it was so hard for him to find a game at 9ball he gave up ridiculous spots and if he won he gave up more weight. The only way to beat him was to out manage him. He wanted to win so bad that he would make a bad game play flawlessly and still could lose sometimes, but he was feared Earl was like Mike Tyson age 22 he beat a lot of guys before the first rack was broke. He would warm up and let out his stroke firing balls in the pocket at 900 miles an hour. Tight pockets? that was where he shined he shot almost every shot at half pocket shape he played better nineball then I seen anyone play ever. In there primes I think Earl beats Alex in 9ball while Alex wins at 10ball,Straight pool, onepocket at banks I really don't know I seen Earl play Gary Spaeth banks 1 time for fun and Earl was running a lot of balls but the both were playing an offensive for fun style. Regardless all of the prementioned players were stone cold champions and when the were in the groove they were amazing players
Huck
Earl in from the early 80s was a machine. The Earl now is nowhere near the player he was at that time I like Earl a lot he was good to me. When he was 19-35 years old he BBQ'd people before he stopped gambling he couldn't get a game playing 9ball anywhere. Before he stopped gambling he would give out big weight and outrun the nuts giving champions the 6ball and putting BIG packages on them. Earl had a killer instinct and the bigger the pressure shot the better he hit it. Before he stopped gambling it was so hard for him to find a game at 9ball he gave up ridiculous spots and if he won he gave up more weight. The only way to beat him was to out manage him. He wanted to win so bad that he would make a bad game play flawlessly and still could lose sometimes, but he was feared Earl was like Mike Tyson age 22 he beat a lot of guys before the first rack was broke. He would warm up and let out his stroke firing balls in the pocket at 900 miles an hour. Tight pockets? that was where he shined he shot almost every shot at half pocket shape he played better nineball then I seen anyone play ever. In there primes I think Earl beats Alex in 9ball while Alex wins at 10ball,Straight pool, onepocket at banks I really don't know I seen Earl play Gary Spaeth banks 1 time for fun and Earl was running a lot of balls but the both were playing an offensive for fun style. Regardless all of the prementioned players were stone cold champions and when the were in the groove they were amazing players
Huck
Hi guys, this is my first post here. I love reading the old players vs new players thread.
I'm just curious why american players (well since i'm from Manila) don't give high regards to the older generations? Is it because of the bucket size, as they are saying? For me, it's all about attitude and how they are able to adapt to the game or the table, so I'm sure, all great players will be competitive (whatever era he was from), given some time to adjust. It's not like pool is a physical game.
In Manila, you will seldom hear that. They don't diss the old players esp. if you heard it from someone credible (I guess in az, like hearing from Jay).
I'm just curious why american players (well since i'm from Manila) don't give high regards to the older generations? Is it because of the bucket size, as they are saying? For me, it's all about attitude and how they are able to adapt to the game or the table, so I'm sure, all great players will be competitive (whatever era he was from), given some time to adjust. It's not like pool is a physical game.
In Manila, you will seldom hear that. They don't diss the old players esp. if you heard it from someone credible (I guess in az, like hearing from Jay).
I remember running into you at Yankee Doodles. You asked me to play and I was playing good back then. You wanted to play 9-Ball and I think I offered to play you some One Pocket. We didn't play! I was too careful. :grin:
Only one problem. This table had no pockets! I guess it had buckets for rails.
C'mon Jay, everyone knows you can't play pool on a table with no pockets!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvYeqLg4dQU
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you are saying what i said.
im not saying our past or present players are not great.
i was not the one who asked how they would do with the phill.
i will just tell you what i think i dont know every thing about pool but i can tell you what i do know.
untill the americans play each other i mean the top players they will not be as good as the phill.
Your so right, phinoys match up with each other cheap to work out, that thinking seems far away nowadays in the states, seems like more concern is getting the dough than gettin' better.
Hawiian Brian was a master at gettin in action, when his game went up a notch he'd fly in and double the bet, when his game was off a little he "made sure" the right people saw him play bad when he actually was, no lemoning going on but the natural lemon, great tool, and Brian had no fear bettin it up with his own money.
thats one thing we can definately agree on, you can't beat someone if you never play them. You can't move up to the next level if your not competing against competition that is going to make you push yourself to there. Great point B.
I agree with Pat about Parica. Jose and I became friends when he first came over. He used to love to study Gary's Bank game and Gary and I missed no opportunities to watch Jose play back in the 80's. I staked him a few times and bet on a lot. I once had part of the action when Jose gave Danny Jones the wild 7 and 10 games on the wire racing to 30! Did I leave out that I think Jose has more heart than any pool player, past and present? Danny won the first 7 or 8 straight games (making him like 17-0 going to 30) Jose got a gear and started putting 2's 3's & 4's together with a lock up safety between. I don't think Danny got to 20 including the 10 game spot. Jose put on one of the best 9 ball exhibitions I've ever seen! Another time I came into the tourney room in Lexington and Terry Bell was playing an early match with Jose. Terry had Jose down 8-4. I sat down next to Cornbread and Red said "That Filipino was up all night robbing everyone, but I think he's out of gas!" I told Red that you cant count Jose out, he don't have any "give up" in him! It got to 9-6 favoring Bell when Cornbread said "Stick a fork in him". I was a little flush and really liked Jose's game so I told Red I'll take Jose from here for $50. Just a little sweat bet! He said if you're mad at your money, I'll take it! LOL Jose won 11-9. Red was so mad over a $50 bet that I thought he was going to have a stroke! He said Sherm, how the hell could you make a bet like that? I said "I don't know, just wanted some of Cornbread Red's money in my pocket! LOL He did get a kick out of that comment! Said it was worth the $50.
Depends. Some people might not have the same stamina you do Chris, or the same ability to focus on a pool match for 16+ hours straight.
BUT they might shoot better then you for shorter periods.
The same person you might beat in a long marathon might actually be a favorite against you in the best of 10 sets of race to 13 10-ball spanned over 10 days.
If someone beats you 9/10 sets race to 13 10-ball each played over the course of 10 days and you then beat them in a single marathon 10 ahead set over 16 hours who is better?
It is a valid question.