whos going to IPT in chicago?

linda's on the right track here. bernie i agree i hate wishy washy statements more than most but there's still no reason to go all out on the verbal assault and lose all respect for each other, which seems to happen quite a bit when people get carried away on this forum. indeed it happens on most forums to be fair lol.

what i don't quite understand, and correct me if i'm wrong by all means, is why people are getting almost passionate about the IPT going balls up . hey i'm the first person to admit the current situation's a bit of a turd to say the least, but personally, i would have thought the pool community would have been a bit more positive during adversity to potentially the most revolutionary thing to ever happen to pool.

like i say people can think what they like about the IPT, it's just you'd think sometimes that kevin trudeau had broke into your houses on christmas morning and pissed on your children's presents the what with the extent of the doom-mongering that goes on!
 
worriedbeef said:
what i don't quite understand, and correct me if i'm wrong by all means, is why people are getting almost passionate about the IPT going balls up .
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You obviously do not play pool for a living... Possibly are not close to someone that does.... and do not live in the states where pool doesn't get nearly the recognition or the money that snooker gets.

I'm not trying to be a smart alleck or pick on you. I'm just saying that if any of these factors were present in your life, you would understand a little more about why people feel as strongly as they do. A lot of IPT members have good friends & family on here, not to mention a lot are on here themselves. Emotions are going to run high on something like thisl ;)
 
rackmsuckr said:
Yes, but Bernie, you of all people know first-hand how it feels when there is name-calling involved. I came to your defense then and I still feel that being disrespectful is wrong. I know Russ didn't mean me per se, but to be lumped together into a group of hopefuls for the future of pool in a derogatory way was over the line, imo.

Yes, we should respect diversity and other's opinions, but not get so carried away as to sling hurtful arrows. :o
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Linda,

You're right.. It was over the line to lump not only you, but all the other who are only giving "the benefit of the doubt". Once again, I have shown my tendency to write down the first words that come to mind, without really analyzing what I mean.

Let me correct that. I am not so much against those that are giving "the benefit of the doubt" to KT.

I DO very much have a problem with those that are extremely vocal about the "need" to give the benefit of the doubt to KT. You haven't went that far I believe, Linda. Those who "want" to give him the benefit of the doubt, fine. Everyone, don't dare ask me to.

Pardon my French, but I get extremely PO'ed when I see someone criticize KT or the IPT, and them someone jumps on their case about it. Often asking "What business is it of yours? Do you have money coming?" or something similarly inane.

KT and other representatives have continually lied to the pro players. They are also still selling tapes and online streaming of matches of the players' matches, but the players have not gotten paid. THE IPT IS MAKING MONEY and not paying ANYTHING to the pros!

IMHO, "vocal" supporters of the IPT or Trudeau have absolutely no leg to stand on. He is a manipulative b@$5@rd, and will say anything he can to get away with something. KT may have a "positive announcement" coming next week, (I love you Linda! I'm just saying.......) but announcements are not money. I repeat, announcements are not money.

For those willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, God bless you, I think your trust is hugely misplaced, and disappointment is in your future. For those who are going to hold this up at as example of how KT has attempted to keep open communication, I say bull####! I don't want to hear it. If you insist on responding negatively when people bash the IPT, expect to catch some very heated comments.

Again, IMHO, I think any pro outside Illinois who shows up in Chicago without getting paid is being manipulated by Trudeau, Deno, whoever. I am planning on absolutely ignoring any "positive announcement" KT has until the players get paid. The man cannot be trusted. If his past was not evidence of that, then his lies about the checks and keeping everyone in the dark on basically everything do prove that. If he responds to a question by saying "Checks are in the mail" when checks are not, in fact, in the mail... Well, to my way of thinking, that is a bald faced lie.

Kevin Trudeau is an absolute slimeball, even if he did pay for one or two big money tournaments. The Reno debacle arguably weakened the field at the U.S. Open, even after he promised his tour would NOT interfere with tournaments with an actual HISTORY. It would be one thing if he HAD the money, and scheduled events at the same time other events were scheduled. And the players actually got PAID. That would be different. But he didn't pay players from Reno, putting a lot of IPT players in financial straits, preventing them from making the U.S. Open, as well as the negative thoughts that would have to be overcome even if they were able to make the Open.

This whole situation is much different than players in the 70's, 80's, 90's, etc.. not getting paid for a tournament. Those tournaments were not this size. This money is life changing for some of the players. And Trudeau, after telling all the players he would pay them at the tournaments, pulls the rug out from under them.

Imagine if YOU lived week to week, and all of a sudden came into 50K+ one day, but it cost you a few thousand to make the money. But you couldn't get the money. And now you are broke. And the person who was supposed to give you the money refuses to give you a straight answer on WHY you are not getting paid. Oh yeah.. Did I mention you were broke?

The time for cutting the IPT and KT slack is over. Everyone saying "be patient" totally ignores the fact that multiple lies have been forced down the pros throats. I swear.. If I came face to face with KT right now, I punch him dead in his mouth, jail be damned.

Russ
 
You obviously do not play pool for a living... Possibly are not close to someone that does.... and do not live in the states where pool doesn't get nearly the recognition or the money that snooker gets.

I'm not trying to be a smart alleck or pick on you. I'm just saying that if any of these factors were present in your life, you would understand a little more about why people feel as strongly as they do. A lot of IPT members have good friends & family on here, not to mention a lot are on here themselves. Emotions are going to run high on something like thisl
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just to clarify i don't think i phrased my point too well. when i said people are getting 'passionate' about the IPT going balls up, lol, i meant sometimes you get the impression that people have predicted it won't work out, and therefore they no longer WANT it to be a success because they'd have to eat their own words, as opposed to wanting to be wrong on something like this. now i don't truly believe this is the case - i struggle to imagine why anybody on here would not want something like the IPT to be a success to give pool a boost, but with all the negativity and hate flying around somtimes u get that impression.

I do take your point timberly nevertheless.
 
Thanks Russ, for your explanation and your honest opinions. I am sure every IPT player that is owed money has had to alter their lives in some way when the expected IPT cash did not materialize when it was supposed to. Promises were made to children, houses had down payments going on them, sick and elderly parents were going to be taken care of, and people who were owed money by the players were going to get paid. If you want to know the truth, there is probably a whole lot less than 6 degrees of separation in the world, between the IPT players and all involved in this mess - and that includes most posters here.

We have a good friend that is always flat broke. He had his kids move in with him and they eat him out of house and home (but that is another story :rolleyes: ). He had a lawyer invest in him for....qualifiers, travel to them and Reno, cues, break rack practice thingy, suits, shoes, etc. Now he may have to pay all this money back and he is going to be even MORE broke than before!

So I certainly understand the dismay and disdain held for this situation and the man behind it. All we can do is live on hope. For myself and Mike...well I am still gainfully employed and he can still go to the weekly tournaments and score OK. The $13K we have coming (part is for referrals) would have been great, but we can live if it never comes. For those owed life-changing amounts, well that is just cruel if they never collect. What really hurts if KT reneges is the dream that dies along with it...that Mike would make the top 100 and be proud of what he does and the years of skill devoted to his craft, and could earn a decent living next year.

I guess we will just have to wait and see this week regarding KT's announcement, but for every day that passes, my plans for attending Chicago go out the door.
 
worriedbeef said:
just to clarify i don't think i phrased my point too well. when i said people are getting 'passionate' about the IPT going balls up, lol, i meant sometimes you get the impression that people have predicted it won't work out, and therefore they no longer WANT it to be a success because they'd have to eat their own words, as opposed to wanting to be wrong on something like this. now i don't truly believe this is the case - i struggle to imagine why anybody on here would not want something like the IPT to be a success to give pool a boost, but with all the negativity and hate flying around somtimes u get that impression.

I do take your point timberly nevertheless.
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worriedbeef,

Well, from my point of view, I don't "want" the IPT to fail, but I think it is an inevitable result of the way Trudeau is running it.

I compare KT's relationship with the IPT pros to the alcoholic husband who beats his wife for no good reason.

Yes, he does pay the bills.. Sometimes... He treats her like pure crap most of the time though. He beats her, then comes back and says how sorry he is, and that he "didn't mean it", and "things will get better".

I mean yes, "technically" this marriage "could" work. Given the acoholic husband's major flaws, the odds are very much in favor of the woman either getting killed by her husband one day, or she gets irrevocably psychologically damaged for life.

Yes, the IPT "can" work out. But, given that KT has habitually lied to the pros about money being forthcoming, and giving no definite date (or indefinite date, for that matter) for when they WILL get paid, the odds are very much against it all working out well in the end.

KT put his own head in the noose by promising the players money that he did not have. He is now caught in a trap of having to lie his way out, or to buy time enough for his deals to go through. He can't come out and say he is in hot water, because that may "cause" some of his deals to fall through.

Question: Is the money that important? Important enough to put the future of the game in the hands of a guy that has habitually lied to the players? A guy that probably is responsible for the U.S. Open getting 40 or so less world class players than normal? I mean... Is it? Really? I seem to be reading a lot of posts on the forum that say the money is worth it.

People talk about the "future" of the game, and KT/IPT's part in it. All I've seen KT do so far is damage the game. The money he has paid out doesn't do anything to "improve" the game.

Russ
 
worriedbeef said:
just to clarify i don't think i phrased my point too well. when i said people are getting 'passionate' about the IPT going balls up, lol, i meant sometimes you get the impression that people have predicted it won't work out, and therefore they no longer WANT it to be a success because they'd have to eat their own words, as opposed to wanting to be wrong on something like this. now i don't truly believe this is the case - i struggle to imagine why anybody on here would not want something like the IPT to be a success to give pool a boost, but with all the negativity and hate flying around sometimes u get that impression.

I do take your point timberly nevertheless.
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Thank you for clarifying and I apologize for misunderstanding. :)

IMO, people that will not admit that they've made a mistake or are wrong about something (yes, there are some of those folks on this forum) are WEAK people. They have no backbone or integrity. The only way people are going to learn from their mistakes is to own up to them. It takes a real man/woman to admit when they're wrong and a coward to ignore the truth and go about their business insisting that they're right or simply ignoring the obvious.

If there's anyone here that wants the IPT to fail for the above reasons or any other reason, they are not a true fan of the game, they're not a true friend to any pool player they may know, and they're simply ignorant in the ways of life in the pool world.

I don't like the owner, and I don't like the people that the owner surrounds himself with. But... my love of the game and my sincere wish that pool players can make a decent, respectable living far outweigh my dislike of KT and those around him. I of course do not wish for the IPT to fail. I do however wish that more reputable, respectable, honest, professional people were running the show.

I'm a 100% behind the idea of the IPT...the format, the dress code, the green room for players only... all that stuff is great but it's not worth much if there's no security. I don't see there being any security as long as the current owner and friends are involved. :(
 
Russ Chewning said:
Linda,

You're right.. It was over the line to lump not only you, but all the other who are only giving "the benefit of the doubt". Once again, I have shown my tendency to write down the first words that come to mind, without really analyzing what I mean.

Let me correct that. I am not so much against those that are giving "the benefit of the doubt" to KT.

I DO very much have a problem with those that are extremely vocal about the "need" to give the benefit of the doubt to KT. You haven't went that far I believe, Linda. Those who "want" to give him the benefit of the doubt, fine. Everyone, don't dare ask me to.

Pardon my French, but I get extremely PO'ed when I see someone criticize KT or the IPT, and them someone jumps on their case about it. Often asking "What business is it of yours? Do you have money coming?" or something similarly inane.

KT and other representatives have continually lied to the pro players. They are also still selling tapes and online streaming of matches of the players' matches, but the players have not gotten paid. THE IPT IS MAKING MONEY and not paying ANYTHING to the pros!

IMHO, "vocal" supporters of the IPT or Trudeau have absolutely no leg to stand on. He is a manipulative b@$5@rd, and will say anything he can to get away with something. KT may have a "positive announcement" coming next week, (I love you Linda! I'm just saying.......) but announcements are not money. I repeat, announcements are not money.

For those willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, God bless you, I think your trust is hugely misplaced, and disappointment is in your future. For those who are going to hold this up at as example of how KT has attempted to keep open communication, I say bull####! I don't want to hear it. If you insist on responding negatively when people bash the IPT, expect to catch some very heated comments.

Again, IMHO, I think any pro outside Illinois who shows up in Chicago without getting paid is being manipulated by Trudeau, Deno, whoever. I am planning on absolutely ignoring any "positive announcement" KT has until the players get paid. The man cannot be trusted. If his past was not evidence of that, then his lies about the checks and keeping everyone in the dark on basically everything do prove that. If he responds to a question by saying "Checks are in the mail" when checks are not, in fact, in the mail... Well, to my way of thinking, that is a bald faced lie.

Kevin Trudeau is an absolute slimeball, even if he did pay for one or two big money tournaments. The Reno debacle arguably weakened the field at the U.S. Open, even after he promised his tour would NOT interfere with tournaments with an actual HISTORY. It would be one thing if he HAD the money, and scheduled events at the same time other events were scheduled. And the players actually got PAID. That would be different. But he didn't pay players from Reno, putting a lot of IPT players in financial straits, preventing them from making the U.S. Open, as well as the negative thoughts that would have to be overcome even if they were able to make the Open.

This whole situation is much different than players in the 70's, 80's, 90's, etc.. not getting paid for a tournament. Those tournaments were not this size. This money is life changing for some of the players. And Trudeau, after telling all the players he would pay them at the tournaments, pulls the rug out from under them.

Imagine if YOU lived week to week, and all of a sudden came into 50K+ one day, but it cost you a few thousand to make the money. But you couldn't get the money. And now you are broke. And the person who was supposed to give you the money refuses to give you a straight answer on WHY you are not getting paid. Oh yeah.. Did I mention you were broke?

The time for cutting the IPT and KT slack is over. Everyone saying "be patient" totally ignores the fact that multiple lies have been forced down the pros throats. I swear.. If I came face to face with KT right now, I punch him dead in his mouth, jail be damned.

Russ
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KT was betting on the come, got box cars, he's been down this road before. Even if he pays those that show up, I see the first order of business, going to the bank, making sure the ck clears, then coming back to play. No one wants to pay hotel etc. on the come. The way I see it, if the checks don't come before the event, there IS no event. Its no differnent than matching up for $2,000 a set, no post no game.
 
Island Drive said:
KT was betting on the come, got box cars, he's been down this road before. Even if he pays those that show up, I see the first order of business, going to the bank, making sure the ck clears, then coming back to play. No one wants to pay hotel etc. on the come. The way I see it, if the checks don't come before the event, there IS no event. Its no differnent than matching up for $2,000 a set, no post no game.
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Damn straight!! At least we do occassionally agree on something, Island! :D :D

Russ
 
31 days without being paid.

Absolutely no explanation as to why no one was paid and people are still making plans for Chicago. Yes, I would have to call them fools.

This reminds me of a typical pyramid scam. Haven't really seen any in a long time. But as it progresses and runs out of new suckers, as all pryamids do, all of a sudden the people running it dissappear. Then all the people who just got in and have not made any money yet try to keep it afloat and try to convince others that it is a good deal. But of course it is too late and they just can't admit that they were duped.

No I am not calling the IPT a pyramid scam, just that the way it is winding up reminds me of one.

Eventually people will realize that the IPT does not have any funds, it will file for bankruptcy, KT and his staff will be protected from any lawsuits and the IPT will fade off into the darkness leaving behind the current set of victims.

It is over people. The sooner you understand that the sooner you can get on with your lives.

There is no money in pool. The people who do make a living in pool make it by taking it away from other people in pool trying to make a living. For every winner there are ten losers.

It is pretty pathetic to see a group of players enter a tournament when they all know that only 10% of them, if that, will be rewarded for their efforts.

It is time people give up the game of pool as a means of generating an income and go out and find a decent job. Play it as a game and enjoy it but don't ever think of it as a worthwhile job.

Jake
 
Island Drive said:
KT was betting on the come, got box cars, he's been down this road before. Even if he pays those that show up, I see the first order of business, going to the bank, making sure the ck clears, then coming back to play. No one wants to pay hotel etc. on the come. The way I see it, if the checks don't come before the event, there IS no event. Its no differnent than matching up for $2,000 a set, no post no game.
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But you sound like you still have that glimmer of hope that the players might still somehow be paid. If you do, then you are easily duped and are foolish.

Is that a nice way of calling you a fool?

LOL

Jake
 
jjinfla said:
31 days without being paid.

Absolutely no explanation as to why no one was paid and people are still making plans for Chicago. Yes, I would have to call them fools.

This reminds me of a typical pyramid scam. Haven't really seen any in a long time. But as it progresses and runs out of new suckers, as all pryamids do, all of a sudden the people running it dissappear. Then all the people who just got in and have not made any money yet try to keep it afloat and try to convince others that it is a good deal. But of course it is too late and they just can't admit that they were duped.

No I am not calling the IPT a pyramid scam, just that the way it is winding up reminds me of one.

Eventually people will realize that the IPT does not have any funds, it will file for bankruptcy, KT and his staff will be protected from any lawsuits and the IPT will fade off into the darkness leaving behind the current set of victims.

It is over people. The sooner you understand that the sooner you can get on with your lives.

There is no money in pool. The people who do make a living in pool make it by taking it away from other people in pool trying to make a living. For every winner there are ten losers.

It is pretty pathetic to see a group of players enter a tournament when they all know that only 10% of them, if that, will be rewarded for their efforts.

It is time people give up the game of pool as a means of generating an income and go out and find a decent job. Play it as a game and enjoy it but don't ever think of it as a worthwhile job.

Jake
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Aye Chihuahua! Are you always this cheerful? Need a tissue?
 
Russ Chewning said:
Oh.. Well, my bad then..

I'll bring him up to speed.

JOEY.. Kevin Trudeau has not paid anyone from Reno yet. He has not said WHEN he will pay anyone from Reno yet. The IPT has promised multiple times that the check were "already in the mail".

Obviously, this was a lie. So... I don't see Chicago happening unless a LOT of money starts showing up in a lot of people's bank accounts.

That being said, sorry for the harsh response. I though you were in the know, and might have been trolling. I apologize.

Russ
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Kudos for your manners, Russ! :D I commend you...
 
Russ Chewning said:
Linda,

You're right.. It was over the line to lump not only you, but all the other who are only giving "the benefit of the doubt". Once again, I have shown my tendency to write down the first words that come to mind, without really analyzing what I mean.

Let me correct that. I am not so much against those that are giving "the benefit of the doubt" to KT.

I DO very much have a problem with those that are extremely vocal about the "need" to give the benefit of the doubt to KT. You haven't went that far I believe, Linda. Those who "want" to give him the benefit of the doubt, fine. Everyone, don't dare ask me to.

Pardon my French, but I get extremely PO'ed when I see someone criticize KT or the IPT, and them someone jumps on their case about it. Often asking "What business is it of yours? Do you have money coming?" or something similarly inane.

KT and other representatives have continually lied to the pro players. They are also still selling tapes and online streaming of matches of the players' matches, but the players have not gotten paid. THE IPT IS MAKING MONEY and not paying ANYTHING to the pros!

IMHO, "vocal" supporters of the IPT or Trudeau have absolutely no leg to stand on. He is a manipulative b@$5@rd, and will say anything he can to get away with something. KT may have a "positive announcement" coming next week, (I love you Linda! I'm just saying.......) but announcements are not money. I repeat, announcements are not money.

For those willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, God bless you, I think your trust is hugely misplaced, and disappointment is in your future. For those who are going to hold this up at as example of how KT has attempted to keep open communication, I say bull####! I don't want to hear it. If you insist on responding negatively when people bash the IPT, expect to catch some very heated comments.

Again, IMHO, I think any pro outside Illinois who shows up in Chicago without getting paid is being manipulated by Trudeau, Deno, whoever. I am planning on absolutely ignoring any "positive announcement" KT has until the players get paid. The man cannot be trusted. If his past was not evidence of that, then his lies about the checks and keeping everyone in the dark on basically everything do prove that. If he responds to a question by saying "Checks are in the mail" when checks are not, in fact, in the mail... Well, to my way of thinking, that is a bald faced lie.

Kevin Trudeau is an absolute slimeball, even if he did pay for one or two big money tournaments. The Reno debacle arguably weakened the field at the U.S. Open, even after he promised his tour would NOT interfere with tournaments with an actual HISTORY. It would be one thing if he HAD the money, and scheduled events at the same time other events were scheduled. And the players actually got PAID. That would be different. But he didn't pay players from Reno, putting a lot of IPT players in financial straits, preventing them from making the U.S. Open, as well as the negative thoughts that would have to be overcome even if they were able to make the Open.

This whole situation is much different than players in the 70's, 80's, 90's, etc.. not getting paid for a tournament. Those tournaments were not this size. This money is life changing for some of the players. And Trudeau, after telling all the players he would pay them at the tournaments, pulls the rug out from under them.

Imagine if YOU lived week to week, and all of a sudden came into 50K+ one day, but it cost you a few thousand to make the money. But you couldn't get the money. And now you are broke. And the person who was supposed to give you the money refuses to give you a straight answer on WHY you are not getting paid. Oh yeah.. Did I mention you were broke?

The time for cutting the IPT and KT slack is over. Everyone saying "be patient" totally ignores the fact that multiple lies have been forced down the pros throats. I swear.. If I came face to face with KT right now, I punch him dead in his mouth, jail be damned.

Russ
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I am all ears, Russ! I enjoy reading someone speaking their mind, not just a politically correct statement. You're absolutely right! Just look at the history of events, and one can predict the outcome. :D Well, those are my two 'pennies', for what they are barely worth. :p
 
jjinfla said:
31 days without being paid.

Absolutely no explanation as to why no one was paid and people are still making plans for Chicago. Yes, I would have to call them fools.

This reminds me of a typical pyramid scam. Haven't really seen any in a long time. But as it progresses and runs out of new suckers, as all pryamids do, all of a sudden the people running it dissappear. Then all the people who just got in and have not made any money yet try to keep it afloat and try to convince others that it is a good deal. But of course it is too late and they just can't admit that they were duped.

No I am not calling the IPT a pyramid scam, just that the way it is winding up reminds me of one.

Eventually people will realize that the IPT does not have any funds, it will file for bankruptcy, KT and his staff will be protected from any lawsuits and the IPT will fade off into the darkness leaving behind the current set of victims.

It is over people. The sooner you understand that the sooner you can get on with your lives.

There is no money in pool. The people who do make a living in pool make it by taking it away from other people in pool trying to make a living. For every winner there are ten losers.

It is pretty pathetic to see a group of players enter a tournament when they all know that only 10% of them, if that, will be rewarded for their efforts.

It is time people give up the game of pool as a means of generating an income and go out and find a decent job. Play it as a game and enjoy it but don't ever think of it as a worthwhile job.

Jake
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Well, Jake, it seems you have gained some wisdom, given from what I have read from you before! :D
 
jjinfla said:
But you sound like you still have that glimmer of hope that the players might still somehow be paid. If you do, then you are easily duped and are foolish.

Is that a nice way of calling you a fool?

LOL

Jake
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Jake...I have spoken with Deno personally, and know him well enough to believe that, although things are 'behind schedule' (to say the least), the players WILL be paid in full, and the Chicago event will occur on schedule.
A call to the Rosemont confirms that the venue is booked for the IPT tournament, on the dates listed on the IPT site. Although these "missteps" are frustrating and perplexing for not only the players, but all of us "lookers on", so far people have gotten their money, albeit late...and I see no reason to doubt that the Reno players will be paid, as Deno stated. Hopefully the Chicago event will come off more smoothly, due to the IPT HQ being local, and the players will be paid in a timely manner. Mistakes happen, and lessons are often learned from each successive experience. If not, then they are doomed to repeat the same errors, to a more dramatic effect for future events. I trust Deno...and if he says things will be cleared up, I believe him.
I don't consider myself a fool...btw.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
Scott Lee said:
Jake...I have spoken with Deno personally, and know him well enough to believe that, although things are 'behind schedule' (to say the least), the players WILL be paid in full, and the Chicago event will occur on schedule.
A call to the Rosemont confirms that the venue is booked for the IPT tournament, on the dates listed on the IPT site. Although these "missteps" are frustrating and perplexing for not only the players, but all of us "lookers on", so far people have gotten their money, albeit late...and I see no reason to doubt that the Reno players will be paid, as Deno stated. Hopefully the Chicago event will come off more smoothly, due to the IPT HQ being local, and the players will be paid in a timely manner. Mistakes happen, and lessons are often learned from each successive experience. If not, then they are doomed to repeat the same errors, to a more dramatic effect for future events. I trust Deno...and if he says things will be cleared up, I believe him.
I don't consider myself a fool...btw.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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When did you last speak with Deno? And what did he actually say?
 
jjinfla said:
There is no money in pool. The people who do make a living in pool make it by taking it away from other people in pool trying to make a living. For every winner there are ten losers.

It is time people give up the game of pool as a means of generating an income and go out and find a decent job. Play it as a game and enjoy it but don't ever think of it as a worthwhile job.

Jake
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Wow...what a pathetic take on life, imo. :eek: :rolleyes: Not ALL the people who make a living from pool, do it by taking from others. There are an infinite number of teachers, entertainers, caring poolroom owners (like my own 'home room" Tim White, of Blackbird Billiards), cue sales people, cue manufacturers, and others who just love the game...but have found a niche, or a way to make a living at it...without "putting the bite" on anyone else. Your statement reeks of personal sour grapes, and it's lucky that everyone doesn't believe this diatribe, or carry a personal vendetta against the game and it's legitimate public and professionals. JMO

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
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