Wisdom & Rationale For Pulling Threads

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Delving into an area here that may require my az friends to be standing by, ready to toss me a life ring.

To the main subject:

As an example, there were two threads regarding Dave Sutton, who apparently did not come through on some customers orders, both of which were yanked by AZ mods, the most recent one, just yesterday.

I'm not sure exactly what happened to push that one over the edge but it brings up a couple of questions for me.

When a mod puts a smackdown on a particular thread, what is the wisdom and/or rationale behind such a decision? Is there a standard?

I know each thread is different but I am curious as to what qualities make a thread cross over the lines of acceptablity.

Is it legal concerns, threats, a feeling like the subject has been beaten to death, or perhaps just too much mean-spiritedness?

There are some things, however, that I feel should be strongly considered before yanking a thread.

To me, first and foremost would be, was there something of value to our community as a whole, that this thread being left in public view could provide.

I feel that the above referenced threads, unless something especially egregious was added after my last check, should remain in public view to serve as a cautionary tale for anyone who, in the future, might consider doing business with this particular fellow.

Maybe there is a way to still keep the majority of the thread up while snipping what was considered to be offensive? Nah, then we open the censorship can of worms...

I'm not sure if I'll be getting any official answer on this but I thought, why not give it a try.

I do realize that moderating an active board like ours is no easy task, and for the record, I think the mods here do a very good job of it.

Okay boys, stand by with life rings ready, I'm about to hit "send".

Best,
Brian kc
 
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Brian,

It's a series of test criteria. Two of them were not met. The "girlfriend in thong" litmus test and the "my dad is cooler than your dad" test. It's a science I think.

Chris

Ps. I agree that threads should be locked first, but only deleted at last resort. Some of the most enlightening, entertaining, and "fair warning" threads of all-time are in the recycle bin.
 
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I've had exactly one thread pulled in my tenure here.

It involved two pictures from Playboy magazine that were centerfolds holding pool cues. All of the "naughty parts" were blacked out. I posted the pictures because I was curious if anyone could ID the sticks in the centerfold pictures.

I assume it was pulled because those pictures are copyrighted, but I wasn't given a reason why. In the end, it was their decision and I respected that.

I never did figure out what brand of cue those two centerfolds were holding. Oh well. They were probably cheap cues. :)
 
I've crossed swords with Wilson a time or two (suspensions), but have had only one thread yanked. I got no reason. Naturally I disagreed with the decision, but elected not to go public about it, and no one else raised the issue.

Seems to me that any member in good standing deserves a P.M. from the mod responsible for deleting his thread. Can we all be adults here?
 
Mr Sutton thread

I think when Mr Sutton started posting pictures of his trophy butterface girlfriend, that killed the thread. She, aside from having exceedingly poor judgement in being with him, is an innocent here. Most women wouldn't like to have ass shots of themselves paraded here, as evidence that their man wasn't a loser. Sometimes the mods save people from themselves. Mr Sutton's implosion will not be forgotten, he doesn't need anyone's business anyway. They should have suspended his privlegdes here, maybe they did.
 
I believe they were Szamboobies.

If you're interested, the two centerfolds are easy to find using google images.

They are October 1989 Karen Foster and December 1994 Elisa Bridges. Both of them have multiple pool-related photos in their editions.
 
Brian
I feel the same way as you. What if a new member joins this site & is looking to buy something but has no idea about any azers past history? Maybe the moderators some way some how can have a ''deal gone bad'' section with all the threads in there so it doesn`t hurt or bump other threads down the list. This would not be just for new members but for ''all'' azers to see what has went down. Like Tate said when certain bounders are crossed the moderators probably have no choice but to delete them at that point. I hope something gets put in place soon before people get so tried of all this BS & leave this site for good. There are alot of good people on this site that have good knowledge & are willing to share it with others in need. Hope things get straighted out. By the way thanks for starting this thread Brian, maybe things will get changed for the better. Take care
Jeff
 
Delving into an area here that may require my az friends to be standing by, ready to toss me a life ring.

To the main subject:

As an example, there were two threads regarding Dave Sutton, who apparently did not come through on some customers orders, both of which were yanked by AZ mods, the most recent one, just yesterday.

I'm not sure exactly what happened to push that one over the edge but it brings up a couple of questions for me.

When a mod puts a smackdown on a particular thread, what is the wisdom and/or rationale behind such a decision? Is there a standard?

I know each thread is different but I am curious as to what qualities make a thread cross over the lines of acceptablity.

Is it legal concerns, threats, a feeling like the subject has been beaten to death, or perhaps just too much mean-spiritedness?

There are some things, however, that I feel should be strongly considered before yanking a thread.

To me, first and foremost would be, was there something of value to our community as a whole, that this thread being left in public view could provide.

I feel that the above referenced threads, unless something especially egregious was added after my last check, should remain in public view to serve as a cautionary tale for anyone who, in the future, might consider doing business with this particular fellow.

Maybe there is a way to still keep the majority of the thread up while snipping what was considered to be offensive? Nah, then we open the censorship can of worms...

I'm not sure if I'll be getting any official answer on this but I thought, why not give it a try.

I do realize that moderating an active board like ours is no easy task, and for the record, I think the mods here do a very good job of it.

Okay boys, stand by with life rings ready, I'm about to hit "send".

Best,
Brian kc

GR8 thread!!!

The referenced thread and the vast majority of others that have been deleted should have been allowed to run their coarse or locked for obvious reasons.
 
If you're interested, the two centerfolds are easy to find using google images.

They are October 1989 Karen Foster and December 1994 Elisa Bridges. Both of them have multiple pool-related photos in their editions.

I know that's the issue with the Richard Black "Crown" cue. :yes:












As for the topics, I'm surprised. If it was just a couple of offensive posts, they're easy to delete. If it's in the wrong section, it can easily be moved. The topic can always be closed once it's reached a point that it's no longer productive. But it doesn't make any sense to boneyard the entire topic, effectively hiding the contents. Seems like four active members have a problem with one active member, & it's being hidden & swept under the rug. I don't understand that. At all.
 
When threads are removed the information contained in them is removed. The thread in question was a warning the other AZers to beware of Mr. Sutton. I still have his bad itrader remarks from him to deal with. If the thread is removed showing Sutton's true colors he should not be able to attack my reputation in itrader. He obviousely has problems which show clearly in these threads.

The only reason I posted was to warn others and to defend my reputation. Now, others are not warned and my reputation has a mark against it.

Thanks for starting this thread - It brings up for discussion a real problem. I thought protecting members was one of the main ideas of having this forum.
 
Nope. Still here guys. I actually typed up an nice long civil statement but Im not going to bother.

My outstanding matters will be taken care of privately. If the other party chooses to post results it's up to them.
 
Nope. Still here guys. I actually typed up an nice long civil statement but Im not going to bother.

My outstanding matters will be taken care of privately. If the other party chooses to post results it's up to them.

Dave,

I know you're not bad guy.

All these people and any of us want is for the AZ members, Rex and so forth, to get squared away.

The best thing is to be honest. If you don't have the cash or resources right now to square everybody away, then just show them you intend to do it and give them something. I don't care if it's a $50 payment on $500, it will show you're heart is in the right spot.

Whatever the situation is, just do the best you can. I agree privately is normally best, but now that it's all out in a public forum, maybe what I would do is make a list of the problems and what I plan on doing to resolve them.

One time I mailed a check to a guy for a cue he had already sent me and I put the wrong zip code on the envelope. Then when he finally got the check 3 weeks later, it bounced after a week. (I had written it from an investment account where they changed banks, and had mailed me new checks but I grabbed the wrong ones). So the guy was freaking out. I was a complete stanger to him and even though I explained the mistake, he no longer trusted me.

I still remember the awful feeling of someone fearful that I was going to rip him off and being powerless to convince him otherwise.

People can be incredibly forgiving when you are sincere. We've all been broke, been unemployed, been uncertain about our jobs or future. I have found that people are pretty much the same, but you have to be willing to put yourself in the other persons shoes to understand how they feel.

It's time to step up to the plate and show what you're made of. I know you can still do it even though you've had a major setback. Honestly, it kind of bothers me that people think you're a bad guy. I still don't.

Chris
 
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Jesus I thought you were leaving!

Chris

Nope. Still here guys. I actually typed up an nice long civil statement but Im not going to bother.

My outstanding matters will be taken care of privately. If the other party chooses to post results it's up to them.
 
I hope the AZhousepro gets involved and can help resolve this, I am glad he is checking this situation out.

JIMO
 
I read a lot of the thread but missed the pictures.

Anyone who thinks posting pics of their girlfriend in response to a thread on a pool forum is freaking retarded no matter what the circumstances.
 
Jesus I thought you were leaving!

Chris

nope never said i was leaving just said any issue for now on will be handled privately. i let certin people get the best of me and i shouldnt have. i have known for a long time i was guilty of having a big mouth. ive worked hard over the last 4 years to not be that person. i am only human. i stayed quiet not bc i was hiding but bc i didnt want to start a flame war. i am human and can only take so much before i snap. i contacted wilson before i posted and warned him i was reaching my end and it was going to get ugly fast.

as far as mods getting involved. im not the only one that ran my mouth in that thread so id imagine more then one person would be punished. personally i dont care either way. ive asked before to have my user name deleted bc i can not do it myself but it wasnt done.

i will tell you this tho and its just a general statement. you guys think that bashing someone or banning them will help get someone their money/product back and thats not the case at all. if anything it makes the person mad and actually hurts the cause. wilson has stated many times he stays out of peoples deals and escrow is recommended.

just some food for thought.


btw. thanks chris. youre not so bad yourself. :thumbup:
 
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