Wish the USA had a couple Manny Pacquiao's

Ah San Miguel Beer, SM, Motolite, Cafe Puro, Kia, TV rights? I know he has contracts with these companies. And pool is popular there, they want a piece of promotion.
Thank you!

Some are not available in USA! But, given this info USA consumers can spend accordingly and promoters in USA can solicite support for events outside Asia and have them broadcast in the Asian markets. I.e. derby and us open by bca. Expo and etc.

Kd
 
pacquaio-mayweather

I read that he has agreed to fight Mayweather; if only Mayweather would agree...something about $120 million dollars......it would be the biggest grossing fight in history..........imagine how many pool tournaments Manny could sponsor then....lol
 
You know that Filipino males tend to be pretty small statured. Exactly what else besides boxing or pool are they known for or are they able to compete at the international level? The Philippines is a poverty stricken 3rd world country that is falling behind even it's neighbors. Pool is simply a way to get out of the ghetto where other options don't exist.
Americans aren't ever going to get excited over "big time" pool.
I've seen high level table tennis played at NBA games at halftime, and people really got into it. Can you imagine the boredom watching a 9 ball game at half time? It just doesn't cut it...sorry.
 
If someone put up 50K a year for 10 years in their will!!! Who would run it??? How much would it cost to ship tables and set up 10k! How much for the hotel or ballroom? Another 10K! Then salaries and expenses for advertising and wiring the lights. Over half of the money left to the sport would be eaten up by "UNRELATED" costs.

Like fields of dreams, "If you build it they will come". Snooker did just that and built a Dedicated facility. Max Eberle has drawings of his "Billiard Dome" an arena for optimum spectators and player comfort. Before anyone can leave money or an endowment! The sport has to have infrastructure!!! It does not have to be expensive real estate. Just accessible via planes, trains & automobiles.

Absent infrastructure, any philanthropic efforts would be a waste and eaten up by the industry with very little making its way to the players after the venue, labor & equipment cost.

The dubai facility they created is perfect! But, not in the USA! They have the infrastructure, we do not! Funding an event overseas is not all that appealing to USA philanthropy when their friends and family would not get the full enjoyment, only via some kind of broadcast. The sport would certainly get a face lift if the middle east was more involved as their code of conduct is "MUCH" stricter then ours and the sport would most certainly be lifted out of the gutter, as they would "Require"...

I am aware of a few "Fanatics" of pool that are very wealthy and expressed an interest over the years. Most wanted to "ENJOY" running it and being involved in their golden years. Not just do something that they would not be around to see and enjoy.

Ever since Mr. Badi Nashit existed the sport, i could not help but wonder what the sport would look like and how it would have evolved with some industry support and infrastructure???

KD

This is an excellent thread, credit to the op for starting it because these discussions are always needed to get (and keep) players talking.

KD, your post is spot on about the infrastructure. When I read Badi's open letter to the industry upon his bowing out of the sport, it was a shot to the gut. I still haven't gotten over it. What could've been, for sure.

I'm still stumped when I talk with hard core league players who can name the top players in their rankings at the local pool hall, but look bewildered when you say names like Shane van Boening or Thorsten Hohmann.

There is a serious disconnect between amateur leagues and pro pool. And that is absolutely due to the lack of infrastructure.
 
This is an excellent thread, credit to the op for starting it because these discussions are always needed to get (and keep) players talking.

KD, your post is spot on about the infrastructure. When I read Badi's open letter to the industry upon his bowing out of the sport, it was a shot to the gut. I still haven't gotten over it. What could've been, for sure.

I'm still stumped when I talk with hard core league players who can name the top players in their rankings at the local pool hall, but look bewildered when you say names like Shane van Boening or Thorsten Hohmann.

There is a serious disconnect between amateur leagues and pro pool. And that is absolutely due to the lack of infrastructure.
This is what snooker built and did. Take a look.

The South West Snooker Academy - A Tour With Paul…: http://youtu.be/DRgbsZreUdI

Kd
 
Celebrities have to pick their spots and when it comes to charitable activities, they tend to pick spots in which they will be visible,
because it's the best way to enhance public image.

Pool is visible in the Philippines, snooker is visible in the UK, but pool is invisible in America.

Gaining the interest and support of celebrities is a perk of, not the path to, gaining visibility.
 
This is what snooker built and did. Take a look.

The South West Snooker Academy - A Tour With Paul…: http://youtu.be/DRgbsZreUdI

Kd

Absolutely impressive. Wow. The rooms with tables and white boards for lessons and instruction. Then the arena. That is certainly infrastructure.

In a small scale way, Mark Wilson's training room at Lindenwood university is similar. He is onto something and if we could just build on that.

Thanks for the link, KD
 
Celebrities have to pick their spots and when it comes to charitable activities, they tend to pick spots in which they will be visible,
because it's the best way to enhance public image.

Pool is visible in the Philippines, snooker is visible in the UK, but pool is invisible in America.

Gaining the interest and support of celebrities is a perk of, not the path to, gaining visibility.

I believe perception of pool is different in each country. Here in the UK and around Europe it is called sport. In the Philippines and around Asia it is a sport that belongs to Asian Games. In America it is still leaning towards gambling.
 
Many celebrities have Pet Charities and donate both their time and money.

Many of the charities are for Animal Shelters, people in unfortunate circumstances etc.

Charities where people know that their time and money can make a lasting difference, and make them feel good about doing it at the same time.

Unless you are a serious pool buff, there isn't much feel good about dropping 50 K on a weekend tourney, where you may find one or 2 players that might say Thanks after its over.

I am also glad that Manny is doing this. Just don't expect Betty White or Jay Leno to be stepping up to the plate any time soon. Jay would rather throw the 50 at another turbine powered motorcycle.

Throwing cash at pool whether its Pro or amateur isn't the way to save it anyway.
 
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Let's not forget about Mark Cuban and "T. Boone" Pickens.
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You know that Filipino males tend to be pretty small statured. Exactly what else besides boxing or pool are they known for or are they able to compete at the international level? The Philippines is a poverty stricken 3rd world country that is falling behind even it's neighbors. Pool is simply a way to get out of the ghetto where other options don't exist.
Americans aren't ever going to get excited over "big time" pool.
I've seen high level table tennis played at NBA games at halftime, and people really got into it. Can you imagine the boredom watching a 9 ball game at half time? It just doesn't cut it...sorry.

http://www.txtmania.com/trivia/champions.php

Best of the Best

More Trivia

It is a real challenge to come up with a list of the country's best athletes, both past and present. Fortunately, sports institutions like the Philippine Sports Commission, the Philippine Olympic Committee and the Philippine Sportswriters Association have named several athletes in their Hall of Fame or sorts.

While being guided by the lists drawn up by the country's respectable sports institutions, our own list dares to be different in the sense that it takes into account the true essence of the term "world champion". By the term world champion, an athlete must have been declared a champion in an international competition or he or she must have won at least a bronze medal in the Olympics.

Here is our own list of 27 Filipino world champions, in the order that we deem proper.

1. Bowler Rafael "Paeng" Nepomuceno, for being the "Greatest Filipino Athlete of All Time", "Athlete of the Century", and "International Bowling Athlete of the Millennium"; for receiving the prestigious International Olympic Committee (IOC) President's Trophy; for winning over 100 tournaments, including four World Cups and two other prestigious international titles; for winning an Asiad gold medal; and for still being an active player

2. Billiard player Efren "Bata" Reyes, for being declared as the best billiard player of all time; for winning the World 8-Ball championship five times; for clinching the 1999 World 9-Ball title; for winning over 100 international tournaments; and for still being an active player

3. Golfer Dorothy Delasin, for winning three world championships: the 2000 LPGA Giant Eagle Classic when she was only 19, the 2001 LPGA Giant Eagle Classic, and the Samsung World Championship; for being the Rookie of the Year in 2000; for being the Amateur Golfer of the Year in 1998; for winning the US Women's Amateur Championship, California Women's Championship, the US Girls Championship and the Junior World Cup; and for still being an active player

4. Boxer Gabriel "Flash" Elorde, for being declared "the greatest world junior lightweight boxing champion in WBC history"; for defending his title in 10 bouts for seven years, making him the longest reigning world junior lightweight champion ever; and for being inducted into the World Boxing Hall of Fame and International Boxing Hall of Fame

5. Basketball player Carlos Loyzaga, for stirring the Philippine basketball team that placed third in the World Basketball Championship (WBC) held in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil in 1954; for being named to the Mythical Team at the 1954 WBC; for being the captain of the team that won 4 Asiad gold medals; and for participating several times in the Olympic Games

6. Boxer Pancho Villa, for being considered the greatest flyweight of the century; for becoming Asia's first world champion in boxing; and for being inducted into the World Boxing Hall of Fame and International Boxing Hall of Fame

7. Tennis player Felicisimo Ampon, for winning the Davis Cup singles championship in 1937, the singles title in the Pan-American championship in Mexico City in 1950, the Wimbledon Plate championship in 1953; and for being considered the best tennis player in the world, pound for pound

8. High jumper Simeon Toribio, for winning a bronze medal at the 1932 Los Angeles Olympics; for winning gold medals in many Far Eastern Games; and for being considered the "Filipino Field Athlete of the Half Century" and "Asia's Best Athlete"

9. Boxer Roel Velasco, for winning a gold medal at the first Muhammad Ali Cup Invitational Boxing Championship, a silver at the 1997 World Boxing Championships, a bronze at the 1992 Barcelona Olympics, and a bronze at the 1998 Goodwill Games

10. Bowler Bong Coo, for winning the 1979 World Cup and FIQ World Championship; for clinching five gold medals at the Asian Games; and for collecting over 100 national and international awards

11. Shooter Jethro "the Jet" Dionisio, for being considered the world's fastest shooter and for being a six-time world champion in pistol shooting; and for still being an active player

12. Billiard player Francisco "Django" Bustamante, for being declared the world's number 1 billiard player in 1998; for winning an Asiad gold medal in 2002; for bagging the World Pool Masters Championship twice; for winning several other international tournaments; and for still being an active player

13. Boxer Mansueto "Onyok" Velasco, for clinching the country's second Olympic silver medal in 1996 and an Asiad gold medal in 1994

14. Swimmer Teofilo Yldefonso, for winning two Olympic bronze medals in swimming

15. Boxer Ceferino Garcia, for being the heaviest Filipino boxer who became a world champion when he knocked out world middleweight champion Fred Apostoli in New York in 1939; and for being inducted into the Ring Magazine Hall of Fame and into the World Boxing Hall of Fame in 1981

16. Chess player Eugene Torre, for being Asia's first grandmaster in 1974; and for stirring the Philippine team that placed 7th at the 1988 Greece Olympiad

17. Bowler Arianne Cerdena, for winning an Olympic gold medal in the 1988 Seoul Olympics, although her medal was not included in the regular medal tally; and for representing the country in many Southeast Asian Games

18. Boxer Luisito Epinosa, for holding two different world-boxing titles: the World Boxing Council (WBC) featherweight crown and the World Boxing Association (WBA) bantamweight belt; and for being one of the longest reigning Filipino world champion

19. Boxer Manny Pacquiao, for becoming an International Boxing Federation (IBF) world super bantamweight champion and World Boxing Council (WBC) flyweight champion; and for still being an active player

20. Sprinter Lydia de Vega, for winning two gold medals in the 100-meter dash at the 1982 New Delhi Asiad and 1986 Seoul Asiad

21. Boxer Ben Villaflor, for becoming world junior lightweight champion at the age of 18 years old; and for defending his title from 1972 to 1976

22. Swimmer Haydee Coloso-Espino, for collecting a total of three gold, five silver, and two bronze medals from the Asian Games in the 1950s and 1960s

23. Boxer Erbito Salavarria, for becoming the World Boxing Council (WBC) flyweight champion and the Boxing Association (WBA) flyweight champion

24. Boxer Gerry Penalosa, for winning two titles: the World Boxing Council (WBC) super flyweight crown and the World Boxing Association (WBA) North American junior bantamweight title

25. Boxer Anthony Villanueva, for winning a silver medal in a close match with Russian Stanislave Stephaskin in featherweight finals at the 1964 Tokyo Olympics

26. Weightlifter Salvador del Rosario, for winning a gold medal in the flyweight division of the World Weightlifting Championships held in Columbus, Ohio, USA in 1970

27. Racer Angelo Barreto, for winning several times at the European Endurance Touring Car Circuit in 2000 and at the Group N Touring Cars Championships also in Europe; and for clinching the championship in Le Mans Classic in France in September 2002

While we limit the list to only 27 athletes, we also recognize the fact that other athletes should have also been in the list. Among such athletes are Frankie Minoza, Roberto Cruz, Ambrosio Padilla, Inocencia Solis, Mona Sulaiman, Mark Rosales, Julita Tayo, Jose "Amang" Parica, Ben Arda, Lolita Reformado, Miguel White, Jose "Cely" Villanueva, Pedro Adigue, Rodolfo Tan Cardoso, Dodi Boy Penalosa, Leopoldo Serantes, Jennifer Rosales, Andres Franco, Elma Muros, Lauro Mumar, Angeline Dumapong, Rolando Navarette, Adolfo Feliciano, Purita Jacinto, Lita dela Rosa, Frank Cedeno, Bea Lucero, among others.
 
Ah San Miguel Beer, SM, Motolite, Cafe Puro, Kia, TV rights? I know he has contracts with these companies. And pool is popular there, they want a piece of promotion.

Pool sponsorship is peanuts compared to boxing
These sponsors willing throw small money at Manny's pool, basketball and other ventures in return for some of Manny in boxing
 
here's more from another site

FILIPINO WORLD CHAMPIONS AND HALL OF FAMERS

The Philippines may be starved of Olympic gold medal, however, she has a slew of world medals in world championships. Her Olympic medals may have rolled out from boxing (two silvers and three bronzes), swimming (two in pre-WW II period yet) and athletics (two also in pre-war period yet) but in world championships her harvest in these sports have been bordering on famine proportions.

Boxing’s success in the Olympic Games has yet to be paralleled in world championships. Until Josie Gabuco swiped a gold medal only this year, boxing had been a non-entity like swimming and athletics with regard to gilt output in world championships. Previously, the best showings by Philippine boxers in world tilts were silver finishes by Harry Tanamor and Ruel Velasco, the same pugilist who brought home a bronze from the 1992 Barcelona Olympics. Tanamor proved to be a dud in the 2004 and 2008 Games.

At the professional level, the Philippines has been undoubtedly a world power. Manny Pacquiao, the People’s Champion, and Nonito Donaire, a promising heir to Hall of Fame-bound Pacquiao, have collected 12 titles in separate weight divisions between themselves—the former with eight and the latter four. The strong world championship tradition started by Pancho Villa (born Francisco Guilledo) when he ascended the vacant flyweight throne in 1923, five years before swimmer Teofilo Yldefonso gifted the Philippines its first Olympic medal—a bronze—counts no less than 20 other titleholders. Promoter par excellence Lope “Papa” Sarreal played a pivotal role in nurturing and strengthening the tradition.

Villa was not to be the first Filipino boxer to be enshrined in the boxing’s halls of fame, however. The distinction would belong to Gabriel “Flash” Elorde, who held the longest reign in the junior lightweight division. Elorde was inducted to the International Boxing Hall of Fame in 1993 and Guilledo a year later. Both Elorde and Guilledo were also enrollees in the World Boxing Hall of Fame. Middleweight Ceferino Garcia, inventor of the “bolo punch” and the heaviest Filipino boxer to emerge as world champion, was also enshrined in the World Boxing Hall of Fame as were Elorde and Guilledo.

Our country have had gold medalist In only three other Olympic sports—weightlifting, golf (which will return to the Olympic program in the 2016 Rio de Janeiro Games after a hiatus of a century and 12 years) and taekwondo.

Salvador del Rosario lifted a gold medal in the 1970 World Weightlifting Championships flyweight clean & jerk when there were still three gold medals (one apiece for the two lifts and total) staked in every weight division. Del Rosario competed in the 1968, 1972 and 1976 Olympics.

Dorothy “Joy” Delasin, then the youngest golfer to rule a leg in the US LPGA Tour, swung in the title in the 2001 Samsung World Championship. In 2008, Delasin and Jennifer Rosales topped the 4th Women’s World Cup of Golf, birdying the last 4 holes.

The triumvirate of Rani Ann Ortega, Camille Alarilla and Janice Lagman triumphed in the 2009 World Poomsae Championship. (Poomsae is not an Olympic discipline of Taekwondo yet.) Last year, the men’s trio of Sabido brothers (Jean Pierre and Brian) and Ray Anthony Matias equaled the feat.

Swimmer Teofilo Yldefonso, the first Filipino athlete to bag an Olympic medal and the first and only Filipino Olympic double medalist, added another first to his achievements. He is the first and only Filipino Olympian to be a hall of famer. Considered as the “Father of Breaststroke”, Yldefonso was elected to the International Swimming Hall of Fame in the pioneer swimmer category in 2010.

The Philippines has been making waves in the so-called Puyat sports—bowling and billiards. The Puyats have been and continue to be the No. 1 patrons of these two sports.

Rafael “Paeng” Nepomuceno, married to a Puyat scion, and Olivia “Bong” Coo were the very first Filipinos to have barged into a hall of fame. The duo, together with a Swedish voted 1987 Female Bowler of the Year, were the inaugural inductees to the International Bowling Hall of Fame in 1993.Lita de la Rosa was inducted posthumously seven years later.

Nepomuceno and Coo, both cited in the Guinness Book of World Records, are multiple world champions. Nepomuceno is the only winner of four World Cups (an annual event) and the youngest to become one. Coo had collected three gold medals in the FIQ Championship (staged every quadrennial) and one championship in the World Cup.

Owner of 119 career titles, Nepomuceno was named by the FIQ, world’s bowling governing body, as the “International Bowling Athlete of the Millennium”. He was the only bowler to have been awarded the IOC President’s trophy.

Toting a record 135 championship titles with at least a Masters title for 28 consecutive years, Coo is also the top Filipino gold medal producer in the Asian Games with five. She received an Achievement Diploma from the IOC for “her outstanding contribution in promoting the development and participation of women and girls in sports”.

Our bowlers’ best performance in the first FIQ Championship (now World Tenpin Bowling Association Championship) was seen in Manila in 1979. Lita de la Rosa emerged as the Masters and ladies singles champion. Coo struck gold in the all-events (she repeated in 1983) and in the doubles (with De la Rosa). Ollie Ongtawco grabbed the men’s single gold. The other FIQ golds were mined in the women’s trios in 2003 and men’s Masters in 2006 (Biboy Rivera).

Over at the World Cup, aside from Nepomuceno’s titles in 1976, ’80, ’92 and ’96, there were De la Rosa’s in 1978, Coo’s in 1979 and Christian Jan Suarez’s in 2003.

In 2003, Efren “The Magician” Reyes, with more than 80 major pool championships in his pocket became the first Asian to be inducted to the Bowling Congress of America’s Hall of Fame. Franciso “Django” Bustamante followed suit in 2010.

Reyes, considered the best all-around and one-pocket pool player in the history of the game, blazed the trail in 1999 for other Filipino 9-ball world championships: Alex “The Lion” Pagulayan in 2004, Renato “The Volcano” Alcano in 2006 and Bustamante in 2010. This he did, likewise, in 8-ball in 2004. Alcano succeeded in 2007 and Dennis “Robocop Orcollo, the money-game king, in 2011.

Reyes partnered with Rubilen Amit, the 2009 ladies 10-ball world champion, for the World Mixed Doubles Championship they have dominated in 2009 and 2011. With Bustamante as his partner, they topped the 2006 and 2009 World Cup of Pool.

Crowding the bowlers out from top billing are the wushu athletes who kicked their campaign in their own world championships in 1991, four years removed from the inception of the Wushu Federation Philippines. Twenty years and 9 world tilts (they didn’t see action in 2001 and 2009) later, they have 13 gold medals to display: seven in taolu (routine exercises) and six in the sanshou or sanda (combat); medals in World Cup excluded.

Samson Co was best performer in taolu. He garnered back-to back golds in 1991 and 1993. The other gold medalists included Alfonso Que (1995), Lester Pimentel (1995), Mark Robert Rosales (1997), Arvin Ting (2003) and Willy Wang (2007).

In sanda, Rene Catalan was, likewise, back-to-back gold medalist (2003 and 2005). Rexel Nganhayna (2005), Benjie Rivera (2005), Dembert Arcita (2011) and Jesse Aligaga (2011) were the other gold medalists. Catalan was also back-to-back champion in the Sanshou World Cup (2004 and 2006) with Rivera adding another gold (2006).

Wang snared a gold medal in the Wushu Championship organized in conjunction with the 2008 Beijing Olympics. Although the championship was not an official event of the Games, Wang’s gold and the silver and bronzes of his three teammates served as balm to the Olympic Team Philippines suffering from another medal shut out.

Jethro Dionisio was the toast of the practical shooting world in the first half of the ‘90s. In 1992 and ’93 Dionisio and Valerie Levanza were the fastest guns alive as they dominated the Steel Challenge World Speed Shooting Championship. From 1993 to 1995, Dionisio was the World Shootoff Champion. He shifted from pistol to shot gun and went on to show his wares in the 2004 Athens Olympics. His performance was not worth crowing about.

Athena Lee was the fastest female shooter in 2002 to 2003 following Valerie’s sister Cathy (1998). Lee also snatched a gold medal in the International Practical Shooting Championship in 1999 as did Kaye Cabalatungan in 2002 and Jeufro Jag Lejano in 2005.

Paul del Rosario became the first Filipino jetski world champion when he topped the 2010 QuakySense-IJSBA World Finals. Del Rosario pulled the rug from under his topnotch rivals to capture the Premium Open Expert Runabout crown in the International Jetsports and Boating Association (IJSBA)-organized event.

The only team sport that has been reaping gold medals in world championships is dragon boat. Team Philippines has secured gold medals, and setting world records in the process, in the 2007, 2009 and 2011 world meetings under the aegis of the International Dragon Boat Federation. The Philippines will no longer be officially represented in IDBF competitions for dragon boat had been subsumed as a discipline under International Canoe-Kayak Federation.

Our Blu Boys and Blu Girls may not have reached the summit in softball world tilts but two of their administrators had been enshrined to the International Softball Hall of Fame–the late former Rizal Gov. Isidro Rodriguez, ex-Amateur Softball Association-Philippines and defunct Philippine Sports Committee (then POC counterpart for non-Olympic Sports) and ex-ASA-Phil Secretary General, the late Eriberto Landero in.

(The Blu Girls caught bronze in the 1970 World Softball Championship where Julita Tayo was hailed as the best left-handed pitcher in the world. The Blu Boys were beaten out of third place in 1970.)

Team Philippines rounded out the podium finishers in the 1954 World Basketball Championship where Carlos “The Big Difference” was chosen to the “Mythical Five” and World Baseball Championship in 1966.

https://sportred.wordpress.com/2012/07/23/filipino-world-champions-and-hall-of-famer-2/
 
Manny is bigger in the PIs than Jordqn is in the U.S. They elected him to a government position when he had absolutely zero qualifications other than being Manny. Combine that with the fact that people in the PI will watch a pool tournament anyway, and it's a no brainer. People in the U.S. Don't watch pool, period, and it wouldn't matter who put their face on it.
 
I would guess his love for pool didn't meet the passion, and or self promotion of Manny. Manny follows pool and I'm sure has many players he admires. His ego/self promotion, along with his passion/love of the game drove his desire to create the tournament where he could participate, watch, and hang with his pool heroes.

Maybe the USA celebrities, if they knew of what Manny did, would admire it and say they'd like to do something similar. Roger sounds like his was behind the scenes money and doesn't have the ego of celebrities.

A man can dream, right!

Roger was a celebrity himself, just google his name. Orpra credits her career to Roger. He got OJ his lawyer Robert Shapiro when he got arrested and flew him to CA.

He would come in the pool room and gamble, then he would go to the dog track with DiLiberto or Adrian. He loved pool and pool players. He just had no interest in trying to put pool on the map with his money or influence.

If Roger had just said yes, we would live in a different world today as far as pool goes.

I never really understood the reluctance to get near pool for many celebs.
People like James Caan, Robert Blake and even Gleason who I met with personally through a mutual friend I had who played golf with him had no interest.

I wanted to put on a tournament running the week before his Jackie Gleason's Inverrary Classic golf tournament. All I wanted was his name and I/we would put up all the money and do all the work.

Actually I was sure I could find a sponsor once I had the Gleason name on it. I was giving myself almost a year in advance to put it together. This was not going to be a fly by the seat of your pants thing.

We sat in his billiard room in his house in Inverrary watching him do half/assed trick shots and bragging as he hardly even listened to our proposal. Not even the slightest interest then or in the future in lending his name to pool.

Celebs, won't go near pool for some reason. Maybe they still associate it with the underworld, gambling, crooks and so on. Maybe we need someone from the Hip Hop area who doesn't care about their image to kick it off, who knows.
 
I think the reality is that most people that play pool are no more interested in working to grow the game than non players are interested in working to learn it. If WE build it, it will come. But it won't happen without at least a grass roots type of start because that's the only thing that can be nurtured and sustained. You can throw all the money and infrastructure you want, but if you don't nurture seeds and roots, your field of crops will never grow.

There is a grass roots movement in the way of so many local tours nation wide. As well as the pool leagues and their million players. It has just not been tapped into or organized in to something larger. It remains a lot of small parts not working together for a larger goal.
 
I'm glad Pacquiao is helping pool. My only concern for him and other fighters is they don't continue in the sport too long and end up with the physical problems which afflict a lot of former fighters.

Ali was being pressured to keep fighting by people who were getting some of his cash and he has serious physical problems.
 
Roger was a celebrity himself, just google his name. Orpra credits her career to Roger. He got OJ his lawyer Robert Shapiro when he got arrested and flew him to CA.

He would come in the pool room and gamble, then he would go to the dog track with DiLiberto or Adrian. He loved pool and pool players. He just had no interest in trying to put pool on the map with his money or influence.

If Roger had just said yes, we would live in a different world today as far as pool goes.

I never really understood the reluctance to get near pool for many celebs.
People like James Caan, Robert Blake and even Gleason who I met with personally through a mutual friend I had who played golf with him had no interest.

I wanted to put on a tournament running the week before his Jackie Gleason's Inverrary Classic golf tournament. All I wanted was his name and I/we would put up all the money and do all the work.

Actually I was sure I could find a sponsor once I had the Gleason name on it. I was giving myself almost a year in advance to put it together. This was not going to be a fly by the seat of your pants thing.

We sat in his billiard room in his house in Inverrary watching him do half/assed trick shots and bragging as he hardly even listened to our proposal. Not even the slightest interest then or in the future in lending his name to pool.

Celebs, won't go near pool for some reason. Maybe they still associate it with the underworld, gambling, crooks and so on. Maybe we need someone from the Hip Hop area who doesn't care about their image to kick it off, who knows.

Hustlin owner was just with rapper Warren G in his facebook pictures! Warren G is Nephew of Billionaire Dr. Dre founder of beats by dre!!!

A "Very" famous actor's brother plays in many pro and regional events. But, he tells very few people about it!

You just never know, lightning could strike at any moment.

KD
 
Probably more people playing now than ever, nobody cares about pro pool!
What good would having a tour that nobody is interested in? Face it it's all league play

A pro tour is not the priority, places to play pool are the priority. Pool rooms need to make a comeback. Pool rooms in every city where people can go and play.

I have to point a finger also at the Conservative religious right as part of the problem in driving pool out of business. They actually were picketing my pool room once as they tried to put me out of business.

Try to open a pool room in many cities and you will hit a brick wall. Laws enacted just to keep them out. Such as ridiculous parking requirement or operating hours.

They did it the same way they get rid of abortion clinics, just pass laws making it impossible for them to be in business The Conservative religious right did it years ago in many cities and killed pool in these places for good.

Heck, in Florida we still have dry counties where you can't buy a drink. Same old thing, religious bull sh!t trying to tell everyone how to live.
 
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