Photos updated

This cue is a JFS JFlowers cue...as labeled in the butt. Wrong pictures? or wrong title?

Black-Balled said:

If you look at current pro carom billiards players, lots are 50-ish plus.

Just peeked at the top 10 and at least 6 are 50 or older.

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I'll be 81 in June, about 8 years ago (at 73) not having a 3C table within 165 miles in any direction, I started playing 3C (with the CB, 1ball & 3 ball) on a GC 5'x10' Pool table.

After playing on it for a couple of months, I ran a (13) 3 cushion on that table!

They had a plaque put up on the wall next to the table!

BTW, Were You at the room in Glen Burnie about 13 years ago when I put on a 3C Clinic?

Black-Balled said:

We didn't get to see legg in VA but I did see him a few times in glen burnie, though I usually got played pretty quickly in there

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Yea they played in glen burnie. We probably ran into each other at some point although I mostly played bar tables around Baltimore
Spent time at Don Gibsons bar in the city. Kenn-Tenn

jbart65 said:

Small sample size, but Bergman did beat AJ 5-3 in the PLP and he finished one spot higher. (Also beat Yapp 5-2 and Hoang 5-3.)

Watching the 9th rack in Yapp vs Zielinksi, I was shocked to find out 8-ball does not have a three-foul rule.

After this painful rack, Predator has to add some kind of rule. Both players committed a combined 11 fouls for sure, nine by Yapp. The single rack took 15 minutes.

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Actually, AJ vs Justin would make an interesting match with contrasting styles of play. I think I would enjoy watching it.

I'm watching Ouschan vs FSR, so I missed what sounds like a yawner of a rack.

Matt_H said:

It must be played on 9 footers

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Interesting idea.

In general I don’t like the idea of time limits but with a progressively shorter shot clock it might work avoiding slow walking if a player is far ahead. But one of the cool things about 14.1 is like baseball: you can be down 124-0 and still win with a 125-ball run. Well, maybe you can but I sure can’t lol.

Our local TAP league is experimenting with straight pool on 7’ tables but with 10 balls to help reduce clusters. Still 14 points per rack. I think it’s one point per ball, 2 points for the 5, and 4 points for the 10 (or sumfin like that.)

I like your idea but I am not sure it can be “sold”. Perhaps if you set up a league or tournaments, you can gauge interest.

hunger strike said:

If anyone has noticed eBay sellers listing photos that allegedly feature the "father of American billiards," Michael Phelan, then buyer beware.
I own two original 1800's photos of Phelan. One photo is part of a group of ten player photos which were matted and framed together by Byron Gillette. Gillette had been the oldest contestant for the 3-Cushion title in the early 1900's. He lived in Buffalo, N.Y. Four nearly sequential issues of Billiards Magazine documented the provenance of my photo set. The first issue featured an article stating that Hippodrome Billiards in Buffalo had the largest collection of player photos in America, and their challenge to readers to find a larger collection went unanswered. Another issue mentions Gillette's set of 10 as being one-of-a-kind. The next relevant issue mentioned Byron Gillete's retirement and planned move to a more Southern retirement state. At this time, Gillette gave his framed photos to the Hippodrome Academy. The last relevant issue mentioned Gillette's regrettable passing, soon after his move. The matboard in Gillette's framed set looks like a factory-produced and labeled item. Closer inspection reveals a high quality, hand-captioned and one-of-a-kind relic. A few of the photos have duplicates that can be seen in the online archives of the New York Public Library and appear to be identical to the Gillette photos. Dick Vallone, who had owned the old (now closed/moved) location of The Hippodrome, sold me their entire collection of player photos. He told me that the only photos missing were one of Greenleaf and one of a Japanese player - which had been stolen.
In addition, I own Michael Phelan's family photo album, all being CDV photos. One of these shows Phelan, seated with his cue. I also own an excellent photo of Phelan's "Billiards Without A Master," which contains an excellent Phelan image, as do images in my original 1800's periodicals. If anyone knows what Phelan looked like, from different perspectives at different ages, it is yours truly. I may only be an amateur billiard historian, but I was a field researcher for Charles Ursitti's work, and I humbly take it seriously. I also worked with Eddie Robin, who educated me on elements of identifying people in photos, especially unchanging features such as ear shape, for example.
None of the last four photos sold on eBay as featuring Michael Phelan are actually Phelan. Trust your instincts, do not buy junk. I informed one ebay seller of his error, and he retaliated by selling every Amish-looking 1800's man as Phelan. I will counter with this; the image of Phelan in his books and in other publications such as Harper's and Leslie's all unmistakably depict the same man, the man in my photos. And when I say "my" photos, I have to say that these things belong to history and history's students. When I am gone, they belong in the Smithsonian. If you need an original, period image of Phelan, they are easily found for under $50 on eBay in early periodicals and those images are larger than any known real photo. Thanks for your time.

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bbb said:

i am sure this was a great post
unfortunately without some spaces and paragraphs i have trouble reading it and did not
i am probably not the only one
next time
if you choose to
put some spaces and paragraphs in your posts
thanks

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If anyone has noticed eBay sellers listing photos that allegedly feature the "father of American billiards," Michael Phelan, then buyer beware.

I own two original 1800's photos of Phelan. One photo is part of a group of ten player photos which were matted and framed together by Byron Gillette. Gillette had been the oldest contestant for the 3-Cushion title in the early 1900's. He lived in Buffalo, N.Y.

Four nearly sequential issues of Billiards Magazine documented the provenance of my photo set. The first issue featured an article stating that Hippodrome Billiards in Buffalo had the largest collection of player photos in America, and their challenge to readers to find a larger collection went unanswered. Another issue mentions Gillette's set of 10 as being one-of-a-kind. The next relevant issue mentioned Byron Gillete's retirement and planned move to a more Southern retirement state. At this time, Gillette gave his framed photos to the Hippodrome Academy. The last relevant issue mentioned Gillette's regrettable passing, soon after his move.

The matboard in Gillette's framed set looks like a factory-produced and labeled item. Closer inspection reveals a high quality, hand-captioned and one-of-a-kind relic. A few of the photos have duplicates that can be seen in the online archives of the New York Public Library and appear to be identical to the Gillette photos.

Dick Vallone, who had owned the old (now closed/moved) location of The Hippodrome, sold me their entire collection of player photos. He told me that the only photos missing were one of Greenleaf and one of a Japanese player - which had been stolen.

In addition, I own Michael Phelan's family photo album, all being CDV photos. One of these shows Phelan, seated with his cue. I also own an excellent photo of Phelan's "Billiards Without A Master," which contains an excellent Phelan image, as do images in my original 1800's periodicals.

If anyone knows what Phelan looked like, from different perspectives at different ages, it is yours truly. I may only be an amateur billiard historian, but I was a field researcher for Charles Ursitti's work, and I humbly take it seriously. I also worked with Eddie Robin, who educated me on elements of identifying people in photos, especially unchanging features such as ear shape, for example.

None of the last four photos sold on eBay as featuring Michael Phelan are actually Phelan.

Trust your instincts, do not buy junk.

I informed one ebay seller of his error, and he retaliated by selling every Amish-looking 1800's man as Phelan.

I will counter with this; the image of Phelan in his books and in other publications such as Harper's and Leslie's all unmistakably depict the same man, the man in my photos. And when I say "my" photos, I have to say that these things belong to history and history's students. When I am gone, they belong in the Smithsonian.

If you need an original, period image of Phelan, they are easily found for under $50 on eBay in early periodicals and those images are larger than any known real photo.

Thanks for your time.