Should a member who has attempted to steal from other members be Forgiven / Trusted

[manwon]

Should a forum member who has clearly shown himself to be a thief by taking Money from forum Members and not sending them what they purchased from him be forgiven, and keep in mind this was not an accident. Earlier today a forum member started a thread about a great deal he recently had with a forum member who has attempted steal from other members, when the thread went south he had it pulled. Now that is certainly the members right, however, it certainly doesn't solve the problem, or help prevent additional problems from the individual in the future.

The member in question states he is sorry and that he screwed up, and he is back selling items again, now this situation did not occur that long ago. In addition this member never did the right thing, and corrected the problem. Is this acceptable of would you like to know in advance that this is the individual you are buying something from or dealing with in general?

If anyone would like to know who this is, please pm me for the rest of the story. It is important that the past is never forgotten, because those who do forget also allow the past to repeat itself.

Please subscribe to the Poll above, and thanks in advance, read the thread below.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=36438

 

[dacue]

Should a forum member who has clearly shown himself to be a thief by taking Money from forum Members and not sending them what they purchased from him be forgiven, and keep in mind this was not an accident. Earlier today a forum member started a thread about a great deal he recently had with a forum member who has attempted steal from other members, when the thread went south he had it pulled. Now that is certainly the members right, however, it certainly doesn't solve the problem, or help prevent additional problems from the individual in the future.

The member in question states he is sorry and that he screwed up, and he is back selling items again, now this situation did not occur that long ago. In addition this member never did the right thing, and corrected the problem. Is this acceptable of would you like to know in advance that this is the individual you are buying something from or dealing with in general?

If anyone would like to know who this is, please pm me for the rest of the story. It is important that the past is never forgotten, because those who do forget also allow the past to repeat itself.

Please subscribe to the Poll above, and thanks in advance.

:angry:"It is important that the past is never forgotten, because those who do forget also allow the past to repeat itself.":angry: I have been burned 2 times, in past dealings. The deals have not been resolved, so I'm not very forgiving about this subject.
If someone screws up (steals money from a buyer) and fixes the problems and makes the deal correct. That is to be considered, when the suject of 2nd. chances.
If the person has made no effort to resolve the deal one bad. Pay money back to buyer. Then it is clear, no 2nd. chances.

 

[PetToilet]

all should be reported in itrader and buyers should be known of their risk but still be allowed to deal with them if they do so please.

all banning will accomplish is a new clean registered username once they figure it out.

 

[the420trooper]

Should a forum member who has clearly shown himself to be a thief by taking Money from forum Members and not sending them what they purchased from him be forgiven

I voted to ban the member. Tolerating dishonest business practices even once encourages the less honest among us to keep ripping others off...

Was it Southpaw? Please PM me if you don't want to answer here. It sounds like you described my situation with him perfectly.

 

[Bustah360]

I voted BANNED!

 

[junkbond]

In addition this member never did the right thing, and corrected the problem.

He should be banned, and the details of the problems should be made public.
This is not a pool hall, and hustles should not be allowed.

 

[Gunn_Slinger]

I don't know who it is, but if someone stole from a member
of this forum, and they still have not settled up with the
member they shafted, they should not be allowed to do
any type of deals.
All past deals must be dealt with before they can post here again.


hugs
mrs.g

 

[JoeW]

I don't know who it is, but if someone stole from a member
of this forum, and they still have not settled up with the
member they shafted, they should not be allowed to do
any type of deals.
All past deals must be dealt with before they can post here again.


hugs
mrs.g

What she said.

 

["T"]

While I agree with the premise, the tricky part is how responsible are the mods for this kind of thing happening? If they start actively banning these losers, what happens when one falls through the cracks? Are the mods then setting themselves up to be liable if they make a mistake?

Perhaps there could be a "Bad Rep" mechanism of sorts that if someone receives 5 or maybe more bad reps, their account gets automatically suspended for a few days?

That way it's just an automatic thing and maybe it keeps the mods from being too responsible for monitoring things?

I have no forum tech knowledge, so this is totally an out of thin air idea.

BTW, I never mess with the dog.

 

[VonRhett]

Ban the scumbag.

The AZer in question intentionally screwed more than one person. That's not a mistake, that's a pattern of being a scumbag thief.

No he says, "Oh, I'm sorry for my past transgressions - I really need this money so I'll actually mail the cue this time."

And some members are like, "Oh, well, since you're sorry - all is forgiven. Welcome back and happy trading."

HARUMPH.

We - collectively, the AZ community - are much too forgiving.

Just ban the scumbags.

I'm surprised there's not a sub-section just to pacify ChrisC, KV, EW, barkcinnamon, painpool, scruggsinhand, et al. We bend over backwards and let them screw honest members time and again, so why not truly cater to them and give them their own sandbox?? Maybe they'll stay out of ours.

-von

 

[Guerra Cues]

While I agree with the premise, the tricky part is how responsible are the mods for this kind of thing happening? If they start actively banning these losers, what happens when one falls through the cracks? Are the mods then setting themselves up to be liable if they make a mistake?

Perhaps there could be a "Bad Rep" mechanism of sorts that if someone receives 5 or maybe more bad reps, their account gets automatically suspended for a few days?

That way it's just an automatic thing and maybe it keeps the mods from being too responsible for monitoring things?

I have no forum tech knowledge, so this is totally an out of thin air idea.

BTW, I never mess with the dog.

That is actually a good idea. That could also be applied to people that use profanity, sex images on the forum, etc. That suggestion reminds me the speed control in some countries in Europe. If you go over the speed limit on a street with radar and lights, the red light drops right away and you have to stop. Rep 4 u

 

[jamesroberts]

i dont feel like trying to figure this out, can someone tell me who it is so i dont deal with them.thanks

 

[Klausi]

I voted BANNED!

same here.

 

[manwon]

Here is a thread that all AZ Members who buy or sell cues on AZ Billiards must read, and please read the entire thread. The gentleman that the thread is about is back using his original User name and trying to sell cue.

I think everyone on this forum should know who they are dealing with, because I am certain that know one wants to be taken advantage of either by not getting a cue that was paid for or a cue that belonged to some one else.

I hope this stops some one from making a mistake!!!!

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=36438

Take care

 

[Poolplaya9]

They should be banned. If they have intentionally burned someone once (especially if they never even rectified the situation!), they will do it again. They might not burn someone for quite a while when things are going well for them or when it is to their advantage not to, but as soon as their chips are down, or they are in a bind, or times are tough for them again, they will have no problem going right back to burning people.

Those people that got burned by him in the past need to go back and leave him negative iTrader comments for the deals that were bad!

 

[JimS]

He should be jailed, then banned.

 

[Drawman623]

One who steals and is caught doing it should be banned.

I doubt seriously that temporary exclusion will be a deterrent or teach a person a lesson.

Certain criteria would have to apply, otherwise we would be asking the mods to settle every private dispute. For instance, if the sender posts a bogus tracking number on his sale thread after being paid, and the cue never arrives, that seems clear enough to me.

Some kind of proof is essential.

 

[Gatz]

If this was my site, and something like this happened, I would BANNNNNNNNN there ass in a second.

 

[ShootingArts]

as much as I would like to give such people a first class hanging . . .

As much as I would like to give such people a first class hanging I had to vote that it is Mike and the mod's call. Although they choose not to see it that way on this site, anytime you allow someone to do business on your site over and over it is an implicit endorsement of them and their business practices.

My point of view, all of the repeat offenders of all types are Mike and the mod's responsibility. That is my viewpoint and I have owned sites and been a mod on a site as big as this one. The job stinks and I'll never say it is an easy one but it goes with the territory when you own a website.

As members we have the right to make our opinions known. Mike and his mod's place to act.

Hu

 

[CreeDo]

There are too many variables. The only correct answer I can think of is "It Depends". You have to put aside anger at the person and ask yourself if they are sincerely out to rob people, or if they are merely incompetent. Did they fully intend to send the item but something happened and now they can't/won't? Does the item even exist?

If someone were to fabricate a cue out of thin air, sell it with pictures they scammed from the internet, have you send money to a PO box, then take the money and leave town... I'd ban that person forever. That's an actual thief.

If they have the item and meant to send it, but then they got in squabble with the buyer over something, or they ran out of materials, or they promised it to someone else, or even if they are just dead incompetent and haven't gotten around to it after 3 months... I'd say give them another chance. That's not a thief, that's just a fυckup. I feel for the fυckups of the world because everyone can be like that at some point. I may not pay Visa in full every month but I'm not out to steal from them either.

If they have been caught once before, purchasers should just ask for the guy to send the product before they send payment. He will have to trust them. If he doesn't want to, you just refuse to do business with him and make sure the rest of the world knows what they're getting into.