Should a member who has attempted to steal from other members be Forgiven / Trusted

Should a member who attempts to steal from members be allowed to sell items on AZ

  • He should not be allowed to sell or buy anything ever again

    Votes: 55 27.1%

  • He should not be allowed to buy or sell for a time period decided by the Mod's like being banned

    Votes: 20 9.9%

  • All should be forgiven, I mean he said he was sorry

    Votes: 8 3.9%

  • He should be Banned from the forum for his actions

    Votes: 120 59.1%
  • Total voters
    203
he should be banned !! i am new to the forum, at least posting but i have been a lerker for a while and i know who this is all about and it is not ok to lie, cheat, or steal , times are hard enough then when you have low lifes like that that knowingly lie and steal ,multible times in different deals, then comes back on and post something else for sale and completes the transaction like he should have done with the others, and i guess he thinks everything should be ok now. he most certainly should be banned and also arrested, if know if i get burnt once i learn my lesso or if i hear about someone else getting burned from someone i would never trust the guy again , but who ever has dealings with him again it will only be a matter of time till he thinks he can get away with it again and will do it again .!!! just my opinion <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
 
Have him pay for escrow with any transaction you do with him. Then he really can't screw you over. It's pretty simple. Just because I don't like someone doesn't mean I can't do business with them. By banning him you're effectively reducing the number of possible deals you can get- cutting off the nose to spite the face. Now that everyone knows he's got this bad rep, everyone will ask for escrow- problem solved.
 
You also have to consider the benefits of NOT banning them. Unless you keep a log of users real names and addresses, like I do, what is to prevent a banned member from re-joining the forum under a new name and reinventing themselves in order to set up another member in a larger scheme? This exact scenario just played out, with a member losing a VERY, VERY expensive cue. Bad itrader events should be permanent, this would help prevent people from re-building their rep over time in order to set-up another rip off.

Eric
 
7-16-2006 to 3-24-2009

2 years and 8 months to deliver refunds to customers? Wow! Yeah I'd definately say they were perfect "customers" for ol' Brian!

INSTA-BAN! IMO
 
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This was obviously done whether intentional or not....if it was not intentional..still, what he did was illegal...

I will not do buisiness with Scruggsinhand...I dont have the time for such drama...I understand things happen, but you need to at least stay in contact with who your dealing with....no contact is bad buisiness...

I would say when he has something for sale.....someone should at least post on the thread his past buisiness transactions...that way it protects the potential buyer......he may be doing right (right now) but his track record is not good enough for me to take a chance with him.....sorry, thats just my opinion..
 
manwon said:
Should a forum member who has clearly shown himself to be a thief by taking Money from forum Members and not sending them what they purchased from him be forgiven, and keep in mind this was not an accident. Earlier today a forum member started a thread about a great deal he recently had with a forum member who has attempted steal from other members, when the thread went south he had it pulled. Now that is certainly the members right, however, it certainly doesn't solve the problem, or help prevent additional problems from the individual in the future.

The member in question states he is sorry and that he screwed up, and he is back selling items again, now this situation did not occur that long ago. In addition this member never did the right thing, and corrected the problem. Is this acceptable of would you like to know in advance that this is the individual you are buying something from or dealing with in general?

If anyone would like to know who this is, please pm me for the rest of the story. It is important that the past is never forgotten, because those who do forget also allow the past to repeat itself.

Please subscribe to the Poll above, and thanks in advance.
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Chose banned, but theives should be shot, or at least lose a hand or something :D
 
Gunn_Slinger said:
I don't know who it is, but if someone stole from a member
of this forum, and they still have not settled up with the
member they shafted, they should not be allowed to do
any type of deals.
All past deals must be dealt with before they can post here again.


hugs
mrs.g
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Heck yeah, I wound't even consider it until the issue is resolved.
 
Would it be prudent for people who were not involved in a transaction with people like this to leave an itrader comment that consisted of a link to a thread that exposes them?

I like this idea.
 
Gregg said:
Heck yeah, I wound't even consider it until the issue is resolved.
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The member in question took nearly THREE YEARS to issue a refund for a cue that he never even attempted to send.

That's not the kind of person I want to do business with. Also, stories like this scare away potential buyers, because we know nothing will happen to the crook, if we get ripped off.
 
Let's have no misgivings about the member in question. The deceipt was both intentional and malicious. He STOLE from other members here on more than one occasion. I must add that I thought I read that he made financial restitution.

With that said, and if true, I think just because his legal and moral obligations may have been satisfied, I don't think new and unsuspecting members should be exposed to the possibility that similar events may transpire in the future.

Personally, I have NO RESPECT AT ALL for thieves. People who work hard and struggle to own the things they have, don't ever deserve to have those items stolen. IMO, a thief is the lowest for of person, right along side of murderers and molesters of children.

Rg
 
manwon said:
The member in question states he is sorry and that he screwed up, and he is back selling items again, now this situation did not occur that long ago.
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Seems like the problem was fixed.:) But IMHO if Member in th future do as this member did per your story, they should be BANNED.

But there are always 3 sides of any story, Party A's, Party B's, and the 110% TRUTH!
 
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Escrow Pro's and Con's

Recently one of my customers bought a Jerry Franklin Era Southwest cue here on the forum. The seller told him that the cue was in original condition and never refinished. The buyer and seller agreed to Escrow and the deal went forward, however, when the cue arrived it was not as described. The cue was brought into my shop where I inspected it, and found the following problems.

1) The cues wrap was not original from Southwest.

2) The shaft collars were smaller than the joint collar, with one being
more than .015 smaller and the other around .014 smaller.

3) The cues butt had a wobble in the front end spun between center.

4) The cue was refinished and not by Southwest (obvious)

The buyer sent an email from my computer to the seller that night telling him he wanted a refund because the cue was not as described. The sellers response was that the was nothing wrong with the cue and the deal was final, and that the money was spent. Now I thought the Escrow agent was suppose to hold the money for a prescribed amount of time, or until the buyer says he is satisfied, well that did not happen here, it appears that the money and the cue were shipped simultaneously. I contacted the Escrow agent and he also contacted the seller, who stated that he was not informed that there was a problem for more than a week and that there was no problem anyway, no refund would be issued.

While I understand, that Escrow Agents are trying to help AZ members, and $20 is a small amount of money for the service, do not think it will solve all the problems in a transaction that may occur. The Escrow agents can make mistakes when evaluating a cues condition like above, and how long should they hold a buyers money in case he wants to return the cue?

Escrow is not the one stop answer for high end cue transactions, buyers and sellers must still have integrity, and be trustworthy. It is very important that people who show they are otherwise are exposed and that others know what they have done and who they are.
 
How about...

anyone with a dispute over selling/buying items gets blocked from using the for sale section until it is fully resolved to satisfy Both parties.

This could be a time suck for the mods.... so perhaps someone who relies, or a committee of those who rely on this site for their livlihood could be in charge of overseeing it.

Just a thought.

td
 
grindz said:
anyone with a dispute over selling/buying items gets blocked from using the for sale section until it is fully resolved to satisfy Both parties.

This could be a time suck for the mods.... so perhaps someone who relies, or a committee of those who rely on this site for their livlihood could be in charge of overseeing it.

Just a thought.

td
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The system works if you work the system. The only thing needed is due diligence. No system is perfect, but the one we have here on AZ is very close.
 
All parties who were involved with the disputed transactions received their monies back BEFORE any new offerings FS were made. Both parties stated they were satisfied and that they felt the issue was closed. Yes, it did take quite a while for the restitution to be made, but it was made, none-the-less.

Additionally, unlike every other scammer on here, this member chose not to go the route of multiple accounts to continue to deceive members, but rather, kept his original User ID, and remained dormant until he had made good with those he had wronged. Only then did he make his first listing, and offered to pay for Escrow. He has offered to cover Escrow costs for any future transactions until the time comes when his trust is restored.

Until this member chose to make those bad decisions, he had had many, many very positive transactions, with happy customers. Did he screw-up royally?....ABSOLUTELY!! Did he make it right?...according to those he wronged...YES!

All of the above is not a matter of opinion, it is a matter of fact...use the information as you choose, and proceed with caution.

But remember.......to err is human, to forgive is divine.

Lisa <======not taking part in the poll.
 
hangemhigh said:
The system works if you work the system. The only thing needed is due diligence. No system is perfect, but the one we have here on AZ is very close.
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I agree Tommy, the system here is very good. The only thing that will improve it, is when the members and I mean all the members realize that site and transaction security is everyones responsibility. Yesterday, when I saw the post by another forum member praising the individual in question, it made me sick. Then I saw a number of other members who were aware of what the individual has done in the past, and who posted to the thread where he ripped all those members off agreeing it made me Mad. Then when the thread made a disappearing act later in the day I became angry, and this thread is the result of that anger.

I am glad that so many have posted to this Poll thread, threads like this must stay on top so that people like the individual in this thread are never forgotten.
 
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