I agree with you , that's why I voted "yes". My list was in response to the guy that disagreed with there being at least 50 men who could spot the top women the 7 ball. By the way, Ricky Yang, Davis, and Kirkwood were all there this year.
Should women be allowed to compete in US Open 9 Ball Championship?
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I agree with you , that's why I voted "yes". My list was in response to the guy that disagreed with there being at least 50 men who could spot the top women the 7 ball. By the way, Ricky Yang, Davis, and Kirkwood were all there this year.
Oh, my bad
There were so many responses, I confused myself... ADHD, LOL.However, I can't agree I absolutely agree either. Because, it's a tournament play. Anything can happen in a set. You and I've seen way too many upset matches to really stand behind the "Gamble" rules for tourneys. I've seen Champions go down to a "no name" locals and GIRLS, even! Remember Yu Ram Cha has beaten Charlie Williams, SVB and Thorsten Holman in a tournament? She is the first one to admit and she's done so - that she needs a spot from all these players.
I think having women in tournament will make things much more interesting for the players and fans
S.
Oh, my bad
However, I can't agree I absolutely agree either. Because, it's a tournament play. Anything can happen in a set. You and I've seen way too many upset matches to really stand behind the "Gamble" rules for tourneys. I've seen Champions go down to a "no name" locals and GIRLS, even! Remember Yu Ram Cha has beaten Charlie Williams, SVB and Thorsten Holman in a tournament? She is the first one to admit and she's done so - that she needs a spot from all these players.
I think having women in tournament will make things much more interesting for the players and fans
S.
Sunny, I have agreed with this exact point already in some of my posts in this thread. In one race anyone can upset anyone. It is of my opinion that there could not be enough upsets and/or good draws for a woman to win the US Open. My list was not made for tourney play. I simply stated that there were 50 men I could name off the top of my head that could give the top women the 7 ball.
Yes, women should be able to play in the event called the
US Open. It doesn't matter if people think they can win or not
or can even name twenty women players.
If women want to battle it out for the tittle of US Open
then they should.
I really don't know why anyone would say no.
lots of hugs
mrs.g
US Open. It doesn't matter if people think they can win or not
or can even name twenty women players.
If women want to battle it out for the tittle of US Open
then they should.
I really don't know why anyone would say no.
lots of hugs
mrs.g
OK, Vette, then you're "right on" the money, as usual:grin-square:
Did I mention, I have bad case of ADHD? hehe
S.
You made me laugh out loud on that comment about Mitch...
I don't think I fit into your description of those that need a feeding for their 'male ego'. But, if you needed to include me in your blanket statement, then so be it.
IMO women are a lot closer than they have ever been in competing with the men. Unfortunately for the USA, the Asian women seem to have taken the baton from the English/European ladies for the top spots in the current rankings.
Of course the same could be said about the USA men.
IMO women are a lot closer than they have ever been in competing with the men. Unfortunately for the USA, the Asian women seem to have taken the baton from the English/European ladies for the top spots in the current rankings.
Of course the same could be said about the USA men.
You know, I voted against it, but you made such strong arguments you have managed to make me reconsider my position, which is no easy feat.
BTW, you mentioned Yang twice...
You made me laugh out loud on that comment about Mitch...
lol i agree totally keep them separate dont turn it into a circus
You cant be serious.
Jay, my friend, if you really believe this then you have action at the DCC where they CAN compete.
You pick a woman player & we have action she doesnt make the top 8. Hell I will give you odds, and give you ALL the women players.
Ken
BTW, you mentioned Yang twice...
There are two Yangs who play well. The one from Taiwan (perhaps living in Singapore now) may be the best pool player in the world! He is definitely in my top five. He beat Dennis Orcullo in a long challenge match held in Manila earlier this year. The other Yang (Ricky Yang) is from Indonesia and won the Philippine National Ten Ball Championship this year. He did fairly well at the Open too last week.
Jay is quite the ladies man/gentleman. :wink:
Of course the sponsor of a private event has the absolute right to choose the terms and conditions of the event.
Jim
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Shoebat
Tom, I quoted you, and I was responding to your suggestion of having the top women play against the top men to "settle the matter," but I was also speaking to the thread and trying rather unnecessarily forcefully to return to the original topic of Open Tournaments.
I did not mean to offend you or any specific one else personally; it was another take on what several others have directly called the "wussiness of the 'don't let women play because they might win' argument."
And, fwiw, I have to admit that whilethis thread still affects my reaction on all of these threads whenever they come up, you made a good point back there regarding the WPBA allowing women to play in certain tournaments. So two things would have to happen: first, the Men's Open would have to let women play, and second, the WPBA would have to let the women play. Right?
(I don't know what to say about the Euro Asian thing- that one left me just baffled. I'm still just interested in the Open part of the thread...)
Do the women play in the U.S Open in golf? No, they play in their own U.S Open.
They could if they were good enough. Here's a relevant post I made in a thread about a year ago:
The fundamental reason for having separate sporting events for young people, old people, and women (and other classifications in some sports) is that people in these classifications typically perform at an inferior level compared to adult males who are not yet seniors. If the young, the old, and females did not have their own events, these people would be unable to win much of anything in the sports world. They are in "protected" classes so they can compete with similar people.
But at the highest level in most sports, the events are, and should be, open to any human being capable of competing at that level.
In the amateur golf world, for example, the U.S. Golf Association sponsors these six events (and some others) -- one for junior females, one for juniors as a whole, one for senior women, one for seniors as a whole, one for women of any age, and one for human beings of any age or sex. This last event is the U.S. Amateur, open to anyone who qualifies. And if a senior woman was good enough, she could play in both of the senior events and both of the adult (but-not-yet-senior) events. In fact, if this same senior woman was good enough to qualify, she could also play in the U.S. Open (amateurs and pros).
In pool, we see the same sort of thing -- events for juniors, or women, or "Class B" players, or wheelchair players, etc. These groups need to be protected in this way, because most of their players would be completely uncompetitive in open events. But if people in these classes are good enough, they can also try to compete at the highest level in truly open events, which, of course, are currently dominated by adult males.
Perhaps someday women pool players won't need their own tour. But in the meantime, it's a real pleasure to see a few of them able to compete with the top men. And to argue that the top men should therefore be eligible to compete in women's events is just ludicrous.
But at the highest level in most sports, the events are, and should be, open to any human being capable of competing at that level.
In the amateur golf world, for example, the U.S. Golf Association sponsors these six events (and some others) -- one for junior females, one for juniors as a whole, one for senior women, one for seniors as a whole, one for women of any age, and one for human beings of any age or sex. This last event is the U.S. Amateur, open to anyone who qualifies. And if a senior woman was good enough, she could play in both of the senior events and both of the adult (but-not-yet-senior) events. In fact, if this same senior woman was good enough to qualify, she could also play in the U.S. Open (amateurs and pros).
In pool, we see the same sort of thing -- events for juniors, or women, or "Class B" players, or wheelchair players, etc. These groups need to be protected in this way, because most of their players would be completely uncompetitive in open events. But if people in these classes are good enough, they can also try to compete at the highest level in truly open events, which, of course, are currently dominated by adult males.
Perhaps someday women pool players won't need their own tour. But in the meantime, it's a real pleasure to see a few of them able to compete with the top men. And to argue that the top men should therefore be eligible to compete in women's events is just ludicrous.
I also stated that only the WPBA US Open 9 Ball and the Barry Berhman US Open 9 Ball events are the only two that prohibit the opposite sex.
The Asian and Euro references were for the lack of current 'up and coming' USA talent. IMO the label US Open is a misnomer, all things considered.
Neither is OPEN and neither is for US only players.
IMO it should be called the "WPBA 9 Ball Championship" and "Barry Berhman's 9 Ball Championship"
I think Mark Griffin (BCAPL, USAPL and CSI) hold the legal rights to the "USA 8,9,10, 1pkt and 14.1" Championships. And they are not OPEN. You must be a USA citizen and win a qualifier to get your spot in one of these Championships.
The Asian and Euro references were for the lack of current 'up and coming' USA talent. IMO the label US Open is a misnomer, all things considered.
Neither is OPEN and neither is for US only players.
IMO it should be called the "WPBA 9 Ball Championship" and "Barry Berhman's 9 Ball Championship"
I think Mark Griffin (BCAPL, USAPL and CSI) hold the legal rights to the "USA 8,9,10, 1pkt and 14.1" Championships. And they are not OPEN. You must be a USA citizen and win a qualifier to get your spot in one of these Championships.
The US Open in golf is not limited to only Americans that is just where it is played. Nor is the US amateur or any other USGA sanctioned event.
In fact, there isn't a major golf championship anywhere on the planet that is country of origin or residence specific.
I agree.. you are correct... BUT, pool compared to golf is NOT fair to GOLF. Golf is more prestigious and has MILLIONS more fans and probably over a Billion dollars a year industry...
Comparing Pool to Golf is so unfair on so many different levels to GOLF. The same goes for Tennis.
Typically there is more money in ONE of Golfs or Tennis' events than the entire last 10 years of POOL prize money...
Comparing Pool to Golf is so unfair on so many different levels to GOLF. The same goes for Tennis.
Typically there is more money in ONE of Golfs or Tennis' events than the entire last 10 years of POOL prize money...