Barioni Cues

How many of these features does your cue have?

  • CORKED SHAFT

    Votes: 8 20.5%
  • WOOD FERRULE or CUSTOM WOOD FERRULE

    Votes: 12 30.8%
  • SOLID, QUIET, NON TICKING, SMOOTH HIT

    Votes: 31 79.5%
  • VIBRATION DAMPENING CORE

    Votes: 13 33.3%
  • SAME DIAMETER HANDLE of it's full length.

    Votes: 6 15.4%
  • BALANCED FOR MAXIUM POWER

    Votes: 26 66.7%
  • LETS YOU DRAW THE CUE BALL WITH EASE

    Votes: 28 71.8%
  • INCREASES THE TIP AND CUE BALL CONTACT TIME

    Votes: 13 33.3%

  • Total voters
    39
  • Poll closed .
You can see the video on these two cues by logging on to http://www.youtube.com/user/BarioniCues.

That is some mean masse shoot'in there pard!
I have always envied anyone that can shoot a cue ball and make it stop and back up without hitting a rail.
You say you are not a trick shot artist?

Love your choice of music as well.

I doubt you were the first to use a wood ferrule ... I did a few when I started hacking on cues in 2002 and was certinly not the first.
However, your segmented and other ferrules are certainly unique.
I like the "V" shape in one of them and the line for aiming might really help some players.
Years ago I marked a straight line down my shaft to aid me in aiming but I can not say it really helped me.
Pen makers have been doing that kind of segmenting work in their pen blanks for a long time. Do you make pens also?

Just a thought ... if lighter is better (less deflection) then why not make a shaft from a lightweight hollow fiberglass fishing rod tube?
It would certainly have less mass than any wood shaft.
 
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As they say in the car sales world ...
"There is a butt for every seat".

In the pool cue world ...
"There is a hand for every butt"

I dont like the thin points on your cues and the butt cap bulb is just not my style either ... but as the two sayings above point out ... taste is a personal thing and I am sure someone will love them.
 
That is some mean masse shoot'in there pard!
I have always envied anyone that can shoot a cue ball and make it stop and back up without hitting a rail.
You say you are not a trick shot artist?

Love your choice of music as well.

I doubt you were the first to use a wood ferrule ... I did a few when I started hacking on cues in 2002 and was certinly not the first.
However, your segmented and other ferrules are certainly unique.
I like the "V" shape in one of them and the line for aiming might really help some players.
Years ago I marked a straight line down my shaft to aid me in aiming but I can not say it really helped me.
Pen makers have been doing that kind of segmenting work in their pen blanks for a long time. Do you make pens also?

Just a thought ... if lighter is better (less deflection) then why not make a shaft from a lightweight hollow fiberglass fishing rod tube?
It would certainly have less mass than any wood shaft.

the aiming ferrule isn't really something i dug but the other one with what looked like spades al over it was real cool imo
 
Aiming Shaft

I'm quite certain that Dave Kikel has a patent on an aiming shaft. I looked it up one time and it has a line down the entire shaft including the ferrule. Not that is means much to me just throwing it out there. Personally I would not want to be rotating the shaft to line up on every shot. It would seem rather distracting to me, but if I missed I could blame it on the shaft alignment!! That would be another excuse in my arsenal of excuses!!!:smile:
 
A professional BCA instructor and make statements like that? Well first let me thank you for the complement about nice looking cues. With that being said, lets take a deeper look into this. I don't know how much engineering you have done nor do I know how many cues you yourself made. But you are so wrong. Keep in mind there are a lot of people out there that have my cues as I have been building cues since 2003. They are probably laughing at your statement thinking this BCA professional Instructor still has a little to learn. So since you teach it is worth my time to educate you on a few things and maybe we can talk on the phone and I can get an education as well. (209) 233-6291. I remember playing with a Meucci back when I was a kid. I am now 40. It was a lot easier to draw the cue ball with the slimmer more flexible shafts. I know there are a lot of you players out there that can back me up here. When I say draw the ball I am speaking of at least a table length not just a foot or two. I don't really care how many mil-a-seconds it takes to blink my eye nor do I see what that has to do with this topic other than you have to keep your eyes open long enough to view the high speed photography. Because it happens so fast you better not blink! Here Is a little knowledge on engineering and cue building. A hard tip and a stiff shaft- What happens is when you go to do a power draw and you are real low on the cueball- the tip slips off the cue ball. You think you miscued. Probably did. But that is because the tip was hard and the shaft was stiff and the shaft did not move. The cue ball deflected and you miscued. I am assuming you had a level stroke and a perfect follow through. I see this happen all the time and I just laugh. I also saw this when I was studying this matter through high speed photography. How ever on the flip side- with a flexible shaft not to mention a "CORKED SHAFT" with a softer tip- what happens here is first the tip compresses. This alone increases the contact time vs. a hard non compressing tip. If its compressing it is staying in contact. The cue ball is still moving into the tip. Da! Then second the shaft starts to bend. This bending or flexing of the shaft allows the cue ball to go straighter decreasing cue ball deflection. Hit the ball off center and two things have to happen. The cue ball moves or the shaft moves. When the shaft bends or moves it is like the tip compressing. It allows the tip to stay in contact just 1/1000th of a second more. But let me tell you or better yet ask some people with one of my cues, that 1/1000th of a second makes a huge difference. How about the Base Ball player Berry Bonds. Remember back along time ago with the CORKED BAT. Ya the Base Ball only stayed in contact 1/1000th of a second but the flexing of that bat gave him an advantage sending that Baseball out of the park. Till one day when the bat shattered and they saw what was happening. Well I ran with that technology and put it to pool cues. It really does make playing pool a lot easier once you get used to playing with a non cue ball deflecting cue. Matter of fact it takes experienced players about a whole month to get used to it. But when they do, there game goes way up. It is just more accurate. And you don't have to muscle the cue ball as much which also increases your accuracy. Most lay up on these kind of shots. Well now you don't have too. For those of you out there an OB shaft or Preditor Shaft is the closest thing to a CORKED SHAFT. Those of you that have a Preditor or OB shaft can attest to fact that there more accurate and it is easier to draw the ball with these shafts. And once again I mean a table length draw not 1 foot. If after reading this reply and you don't agree or simply can't comprehend I can show you in person at our training facility with testing equipment or when I get some time I will make a you tube video showing you this. In the mean time you can call some of our customers or view the testimonials on you tube. I have a lot more testimonials that I have not posted yet simply because I had no need to till now. If you and Rufus think all you need is a house cue and a round tip, some chalk, aiming low, and a smooth stroke to draw a table length, then all of us can get together and bet it! I don't want to hear any crying when I draw 2 table lengths or three on a fast table! With that being said, I do have respect for Professional BCA Instructors. I love this sport and it is challenging. I guess that is why it keeps all of us interested in the game. I do offer cue repair as I did this for four year before I became a cue builder. If you send me a shaft, I can "CORK" it for $100.00 plus shipping. I can turn a high cue ball deflecting shaft into the sweetest hitting , non cue ball deflecting dream shaft. I have been doing this for 11 years now and there are so many players out here that have this done. Once I do there shaft they have me do all of them. I promise you- one day you will have me tune up one of you cues. Then after you get it you will order one of mine! Think I am full of it? I'll give you numbers all over the world to call and you can see for your self.

Dude, there has to be a few spots in there to start another paragraph, how in the heck could anyone read this without getting a migraine from hell.

-don
 
Quit complaining, be happy it wasn't done in Yellow Caps.

On a side note, one of our local players has a Barioni cue on order so I'm looking forward to both seeing it and the reviews.
 
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Wow, your a BCA instructor, Lets first address the contact time duration. Every one that plays pool know it isn't that difficult to draw the cue ball. If you look on my youtube sight and go under Masse cues, Let me know if you can get that much stroke with your cue. I do this effortlessly and I am not by any means a trick shot artist. I can draw two table lengths on just about any table and I don't miss my object ball when I am doing it. With that being said, yes it's know doubt the contact time is very short. How ever under high speed photography it is clearly visible that a stiffer shaft has less contact time. The tip hits the ball and the ball immediately takes off. With a flexible corked shaft however, the shaft bends, the tip compresses, and then the ball takes off. Just think about it, a hard tip that doesn't compress vs a softer tip that compresses. With that alone it's common sense. Think of a push shot. They have high speed photography all over the net. Check it out. That is why a cue ball deflects more with a hard shot vs. a soft shot. A cue ball has different durations with a slow follow through vs. a fast hit with little to no follow through. And when I say that is why a cue ball deflect more above I mean that is just a part of it. I am aware of the mass and the speed of the hit also makes the cue ball deflect more. I have been studding this for about ten years now. And trust me I dig very deep.

You got it all wrong, The less cue ball squirt you will have. We can first bet it and then I will prove it to you. You guy keep playing with those Ivory ferrules. I recomend them to all my opponents! The shaft bends and this allows the cue ball to go straight. Da- Common sence here. Hit the cue ball off center and something has to move. A- the cue ball or B- the shaft. When the cue ball moves its cue ball deflection or squirt. If the shaft moves this allows the cue ball to go straight. Meucci Deflection tapes show this under high speed photography. Look it up! Some pro players like Buddy Hall call a technique tuck and roll. This technique is used to get the shaft out of the way to allow the cue ball to go straight. It is much easier to just use a corked shaft. I guess I will have to make another youtube video to show you a little bit more about squirt and deflection. It is a trip when you first see it. It took me about 8 times beforeI believed it. Don't worry, I can prove it to you real fast. I made a testing cue that will deflect a cue ball a whole diamond. You will miss the whole rack in 9ball if you were breaking and aiming for the one ball. Then try it with a corked shaft and hit it dead in the face.


So lemme get this straight you are telling people to give up what they are comfortable with and have played at an extermely high level with for many many years. And pick up one of your bull whips????

Maybe its just me but why spent that kind of money on a custom cue to get a cue with more flex and hollowed out parts? Just buy a mucci
 
Hey you, I resent that. I play with a Meucci and they play pretty sporty, thank you very much.:smile:
 
You got it all wrong, The less cue ball squirt you will have. We can first bet it and then I will prove it to you. You guy keep playing with those Ivory ferrules. I recomend them to all my opponents! The shaft bends and this allows the cue ball to go straight. Da- Common sence here. Hit the cue ball off center and something has to move. A- the cue ball or B- the shaft. When the cue ball moves its cue ball deflection or squirt. If the shaft moves this allows the cue ball to go straight. Meucci Deflection tapes show this under high speed photography. Look it up! Some pro players like Buddy Hall call a technique tuck and roll. This technique is used to get the shaft out of the way to allow the cue ball to go straight. It is much easier to just use a corked shaft. I guess I will have to make another youtube video to show you a little bit more about squirt and deflection. It is a trip when you first see it. It took me about 8 times beforeI believed it. Don't worry, I can prove it to you real fast. I made a testing cue that will deflect a cue ball a whole diamond. You will miss the whole rack in 9ball if you were breaking and aiming for the one ball. Then try it with a corked shaft and hit it dead in the face.


So lemme get this straight you are telling people to give up what they are comfortable with and have played at an extermely high level with for many many years. And pick up one of your bull whips????

Maybe its just me but why spent that kind of money on a custom cue to get a cue with more flex and hollowed out parts? Just buy a mucci

First of all I am not telling anyone to give up any thing! You can get used to anything and play well. There are pro's playing with cutecs and winning world titles. But if you want to compensate for two inches of deflection instead of 1/8 inch, go ahead. You are a far better player than I. My game is so week I need all the help I can get. I have a hard enough time pocketing easy shots. Throw all those variables in and I am really in trouble. All I am saying is if you get to the point where you feel you are not getting better you might try one of my cues. I have been told many times it helps. After all I designed it to help pool players win. Put my shaft on a robot. Show me a less cueball deflecting shaft. Show me a more accurate playing cue, Show me a nicer hitting cue. I am not stating Mine are the best here, I am stating My cues can hang with the best on these features I just mentioned. In the last 7 years I am yet to come across a pool player that does not like the hit of my cues. By the way, your spelling is as bad as mine! I only know this because it high lighted it for me. extermely- I believe you meant extremely!
 
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A professional BCA instructor and make statements like that? Well first let me thank you for the complement about nice looking cues. With that being said, lets take a deeper look into this. I don't know how much engineering you have done nor do I know how many cues you yourself made. But you are so wrong. Keep in mind there are a lot of people out there that have my cues as I have been building cues since 2003. They are probably laughing at your statement thinking this BCA professional Instructor still has a little to learn. So since you teach it is worth my time to educate you on a few things and maybe we can talk on the phone and I can get an education as well. (209) 233-6291. I remember playing with a Meucci back when I was a kid. I am now 40. It was a lot easier to draw the cue ball with the slimmer more flexible shafts. I know there are a lot of you players out there that can back me up here. When I say draw the ball I am speaking of at least a table length not just a foot or two. I don't really care how many mil-a-seconds it takes to blink my eye nor do I see what that has to do with this topic other than you have to keep your eyes open long enough to view the high speed photography. Because it happens so fast you better not blink! Here Is a little knowledge on engineering and cue building. A hard tip and a stiff shaft- What happens is when you go to do a power draw and you are real low on the cueball- the tip slips off the cue ball. You think you miscued. Probably did. But that is because the tip was hard and the shaft was stiff and the shaft did not move. The cue ball deflected and you miscued. I am assuming you had a level stroke and a perfect follow through. I see this happen all the time and I just laugh. I also saw this when I was studying this matter through high speed photography. How ever on the flip side- with a flexible shaft not to mention a "CORKED SHAFT" with a softer tip- what happens here is first the tip compresses. This alone increases the contact time vs. a hard non compressing tip. If its compressing it is staying in contact. The cue ball is still moving into the tip. Da! Then second the shaft starts to bend. This bending or flexing of the shaft allows the cue ball to go straighter decreasing cue ball deflection. Hit the ball off center and two things have to happen. The cue ball moves or the shaft moves. When the shaft bends or moves it is like the tip compressing. It allows the tip to stay in contact just 1/1000th of a second more. But let me tell you or better yet ask some people with one of my cues, that 1/1000th of a second makes a huge difference. How about the Base Ball player Berry Bonds. Remember back along time ago with the CORKED BAT. Ya the Base Ball only stayed in contact 1/1000th of a second but the flexing of that bat gave him an advantage sending that Baseball out of the park. Till one day when the bat shattered and they saw what was happening. Well I ran with that technology and put it to pool cues. It really does make playing pool a lot easier once you get used to playing with a non cue ball deflecting cue. Matter of fact it takes experienced players about a whole month to get used to it. But when they do, there game goes way up. It is just more accurate. And you don't have to muscle the cue ball as much which also increases your accuracy. Most lay up on these kind of shots. Well now you don't have too. For those of you out there an OB shaft or Preditor Shaft is the closest thing to a CORKED SHAFT. Those of you that have a Preditor or OB shaft can attest to fact that there more accurate and it is easier to draw the ball with these shafts. And once again I mean a table length draw not 1 foot. If after reading this reply and you don't agree or simply can't comprehend I can show you in person at our training facility with testing equipment or when I get some time I will make a you tube video showing you this. In the mean time you can call some of our customers or view the testimonials on you tube. I have a lot more testimonials that I have not posted yet simply because I had no need to till now. If you and Rufus think all you need is a house cue and a round tip, some chalk, aiming low, and a smooth stroke to draw a table length, then all of us can get together and bet it! I don't want to hear any crying when I draw 2 table lengths or three on a fast table! With that being said, I do have respect for Professional BCA Instructors. I love this sport and it is challenging. I guess that is why it keeps all of us interested in the game. I do offer cue repair as I did this for four year before I became a cue builder. If you send me a shaft, I can "CORK" it for $100.00 plus shipping. I can turn a high cue ball deflecting shaft into the sweetest hitting , non cue ball deflecting dream shaft. I have been doing this for 11 years now and there are so many players out here that have this done. Once I do there shaft they have me do all of them. I promise you- one day you will have me tune up one of you cues. Then after you get it you will order one of mine! Think I am full of it? I'll give you numbers all over the world to call and you can see for your self.

Dude, there has to be a few spots in there to start another paragraph, how in the heck could anyone read this without getting a migraine from hell.

-don

Hey Don:

Whatsamatta? You don't stand in awe glowering up at the Wall O' Text monolith? You don't hear the theme from 2001: A Space Odyssey playing in the background?

;) :D

-Sean
 
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I don't get the "vibration dampening" thing.
Why would anyone want less vibration in a cue?
For me, it's very critical feedback that my subconscious uses to regulate the speed of my shots.
 
I don't get the "vibration dampening" thing.
Why would anyone want less vibration in a cue?
For me, it's very critical feedback that my subconscious uses to regulate the speed of my shots.

Dont some people remove the rubber bumper from their cue because they think it dampens the feel of the feedback too much?
 
Dont some people remove the rubber bumper from their cue because they think it dampens the feel of the feedback too much?

Of course! Dampening the vibrations is deadening the cue. That's why we use hard woods that are tonal like those musical instrument makers use. Anything that dampens the vibration ruins the feedback you get. But you don't have to give away all the secrets to people who already have it all figured out. ;)
 
Of course! Dampening the vibrations is deadening the cue. That's why we use hard woods that are tonal like those musical instrument makers use. Anything that dampens the vibration ruins the feedback you get. But you don't have to give away all the secrets to people who already have it all figured out. ;)

I wonder what happened to Limbsaver ?
:rolleyes:
I heard those 2MM thick leather wraps really kill vibration.:rolleyes:
 
Just a thought ... if lighter is better (less deflection) then why not make a shaft from a lightweight hollow fiberglass fishing rod tube?
It would certainly have less mass than any wood shaft.

Hey WilleeCue,
My cues use carbonfibre composite construction.
They are easier said than done to get correct.
More to come.
 
Dont some people remove the rubber bumper from their cue because they think it dampens the feel of the feedback too much?
I just did a mod on a guys cue,did not replace the rubber bumper.
He likes it better without it.
He removed the bumper from the other cue as well.He is sensitive enough to feel the difference.
 
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