Is anyone paying attention?
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Hi Ryan
Sometimes it's all good, sometimes it questions that just keep on repeating and then sometimes threads still turn into a pissing contest, and then, and then,
I take the good with the bad,
Sometimes it's all good, sometimes it questions that just keep on repeating and then sometimes threads still turn into a pissing contest, and then, and then,
I take the good with the bad,
There are very few experienced cue makers posting anymore. Anyone want to venture a guess why?
It was made perfectly clear sometime back that the owners/mods on this board don't care and could care less about anyone but a few with a nose buried brown deep. It really is sad but they are the ones that have made it this way and could really care less if this section existed or not. It has never changed but for the worse since I've been here. The Army has a private section for builders only and is the right way to go. You have to ask 2B1 in this section. No riff raff...no monitors allowed.
It's policed by it's members...the way it should be.
There are very few experienced cue makers posting anymore. Anyone want to venture a guess why?
Hmmm because the newbs & never heard ofs know more than the experienced guys & argue about it? Then mods move or remove the posts made by the experienced folks when the other guys crybaby to them?
I can't say too much about pissing contests & arguing. I'm kind of an ass at times. But I don't speak out of my ass, either. When I have something to say, I say it. When I offer advice, it's based on experience, not theory or stuff I have heard. I can be a jerk but i'm not gonna BS you. Nor will I go crying to the mods if you hurt my feelings or piss me off. If you notice, the majority of experienced builders here are here for the conversation. Then there are the newbs trying to learn stuff. But a few come here looking to push their business & they are the ones who get nancy when somebody calls them out on their BS. And the mods cater to them at the cost of everybody else's good conversation. That's why the old guys & experienced guys are leaving. There's no place here for them, anymore.
I guess the scam artists & liars should be free to run about taking advantage of unsuspecting buyers without the fear of actual cuemakers calling them out on their BS. They should be allowed to scam anybody they want & the real mccoy builders aren't allowed to point it out to the readers so they can beware. Moral fiber & honesty is the rift that separates the two types & the mods clearly have made a history of siding with the crybaby scoundrels. Slice it & dice it any way you want but we have all seen it & it is what it is. I broke no rules in this post but i'm betting it gets removed or I get banned. Screw it.
Hi,
If you consider the name of the Forum Catagory "Ask the Cue Maker" it might suggest that this is place to get info from cue makers. I know that I read and post here to gain and share knowledge.
Maybe the highly experienced people don't want to play in this sandbox, don't have any questions to ask, or don't want to share acquired knowledge. Lets face it, you never see the high end/high buck guys here ever.
Who knows?
Rick G
If you consider the name of the Forum Catagory "Ask the Cue Maker" it might suggest that this is place to get info from cue makers. I know that I read and post here to gain and share knowledge.
Maybe the highly experienced people don't want to play in this sandbox, don't have any questions to ask, or don't want to share acquired knowledge. Lets face it, you never see the high end/high buck guys here ever.
Who knows?
Rick G
Um... Maybe out of line here, as I am not as experienced at cue making as so many others on here; however I would like to apply for aceptance into the 'secret society' if I may...
Circular history
I joined this forum about 5 years ago. I was just getting started and was hungry for knowlege. This forum was great back then. Newbies, like myself, posted questions and more experienced members shared their expertise. Many, many times these more experienced members told the story of "when I started" cuemakers were a tight lipped group and I had to learn the hard way. Those members changed that. They freely shared what they had learned.
Fast forward 5 years. It seems like we've come full circle. I see an elite class (or so they seem to think of themselves this way) that reminds me of the old stories. Their answers to questions seem like they want to impress people with what they know, but not really answer the questions. Sometimes actually saying "you need quit asking for easy answers and figure it out for yourself like I did". So much for "Ask the Cuemaker"
I feel lucky that I joined when I did. I feel sorry for the "new guys" joining now.
I joined this forum about 5 years ago. I was just getting started and was hungry for knowlege. This forum was great back then. Newbies, like myself, posted questions and more experienced members shared their expertise. Many, many times these more experienced members told the story of "when I started" cuemakers were a tight lipped group and I had to learn the hard way. Those members changed that. They freely shared what they had learned.
Fast forward 5 years. It seems like we've come full circle. I see an elite class (or so they seem to think of themselves this way) that reminds me of the old stories. Their answers to questions seem like they want to impress people with what they know, but not really answer the questions. Sometimes actually saying "you need quit asking for easy answers and figure it out for yourself like I did". So much for "Ask the Cuemaker"
I feel lucky that I joined when I did. I feel sorry for the "new guys" joining now.
There is a plethora of information via the search engine in this forum, and due diligence will most always get you the answer you are looking for here.
I learned and I am still learning from master cue makers who are my close friends and partners. They are reluctant to open their vast knowledge even to me, and would never share on an open forum like this one. I appreciate any and all who share their experiences and knowledge with me, and will take it any way I can get it and thank them for their generosity.
Lots of times I compare the answers here to the answers I get at the shop and it allows me to catalog multiple opinions and processes on the same subject, to me that is priceless. I try and do my best to share what little I know every once in a while, but mostly it is best for me to keep my mouth shut and listen.
Thanks to everyone here, it is much appreciated.
I learned and I am still learning from master cue makers who are my close friends and partners. They are reluctant to open their vast knowledge even to me, and would never share on an open forum like this one. I appreciate any and all who share their experiences and knowledge with me, and will take it any way I can get it and thank them for their generosity.
Lots of times I compare the answers here to the answers I get at the shop and it allows me to catalog multiple opinions and processes on the same subject, to me that is priceless. I try and do my best to share what little I know every once in a while, but mostly it is best for me to keep my mouth shut and listen.
Thanks to everyone here, it is much appreciated.
GoTulane
Shizzle-rific
I am not a cuemaker, but....
I believe it has gone downhill since you were voted in as AZB's BEST LOOKING CUEMAKER in 2006.
Many of the other attractive cuemakers were very angry and upset at the method and procedures used to count and tally the votes. Some even believe the fix was in, and the winner was already determined before the votes were taken. It caused such an uproar that many of these well-established cue making individuals have gone into hiding, not wanting to show their faces again. And I say, Can you blame them?:smilewinkgrin:
So I believe until a fair and honest election is held, where the nut-huggers of the world can speak their voice, and KNOW it will truly be heard, those cuemakers that have left will stay away.
Or you can do like we do in New Orleans - Blame BP & Katrina.
Or you can do like they do in Minnesota - Blame the refs and the NFL!!
JMHO - Michael
There are very few experienced cue makers posting anymore. Anyone want to venture a guess why?
I believe it has gone downhill since you were voted in as AZB's BEST LOOKING CUEMAKER in 2006.
Many of the other attractive cuemakers were very angry and upset at the method and procedures used to count and tally the votes. Some even believe the fix was in, and the winner was already determined before the votes were taken. It caused such an uproar that many of these well-established cue making individuals have gone into hiding, not wanting to show their faces again. And I say, Can you blame them?:smilewinkgrin:
So I believe until a fair and honest election is held, where the nut-huggers of the world can speak their voice, and KNOW it will truly be heard, those cuemakers that have left will stay away.
Or you can do like we do in New Orleans - Blame BP & Katrina.
Or you can do like they do in Minnesota - Blame the refs and the NFL!!
JMHO - Michael
too many many " i know everything and you have to do it my way "
i once ask the question, does anyone have any information on the shafts that have the carbon fiber rod in them?
i received an answer, " you will never find one of them on any of my cues ".
i was looking for information and some smart ass just wanted to slam me because i was new to azb.
we have some very knowledgeable builders on azb , hightower, ryan, dick, just to name a few, that are always helpful, but we also have a few that want to run off at the mouth just so they can hear the marbles rattling around in their head.
chuck starkey
i once ask the question, does anyone have any information on the shafts that have the carbon fiber rod in them?
i received an answer, " you will never find one of them on any of my cues ".
i was looking for information and some smart ass just wanted to slam me because i was new to azb.
we have some very knowledgeable builders on azb , hightower, ryan, dick, just to name a few, that are always helpful, but we also have a few that want to run off at the mouth just so they can hear the marbles rattling around in their head.
chuck starkey
There are very few experienced cue makers posting anymore. Anyone want to venture a guess why?
I have never seen the folowing post here,,,,,
manzino,scruggs,mottey,white,ernie,jensen,tad,showman,
These are top makers in my book
I have seen and appreciated the advice posted here from one master cue maker in your group. The information sent me on my way down the merry lane.
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I understand alot of the sentiments expressed, such as the top cue makers are not very forth coming in sharing there vast wealth of knowledge about cue building. Alot of the knowledge they have was gained long before there were forums such as this one and learning was done by trial and error.
I read a quote from Richard Black that said something to the effect of, knowledge shouldn't be shared, that if you want to build cues, buy a lathe and some wood and start turning.
I have seen that there are a good many people that wear there feelings on there sleeve and at the first comment they done like, POW they will start sounding off and then it snow balls from there until it is a total roast and the original topic is now blurred.
I was told when I came AZ that "big name" cue makers no longer posted here as it had become to inflammatory and as it was stated before alot of the top name cue makers will not readily, if at all, give there knowledge out.
There are alot of very expierenced cue makers on this forum that will share there knowledge with new commers, I have even picked a trick or two like the post about tapping delrin, after putting it in the freezer. It is just a shame that there are makers leaving here, or not posting.
I read a quote from Richard Black that said something to the effect of, knowledge shouldn't be shared, that if you want to build cues, buy a lathe and some wood and start turning.
I have seen that there are a good many people that wear there feelings on there sleeve and at the first comment they done like, POW they will start sounding off and then it snow balls from there until it is a total roast and the original topic is now blurred.
I was told when I came AZ that "big name" cue makers no longer posted here as it had become to inflammatory and as it was stated before alot of the top name cue makers will not readily, if at all, give there knowledge out.
There are alot of very expierenced cue makers on this forum that will share there knowledge with new commers, I have even picked a trick or two like the post about tapping delrin, after putting it in the freezer. It is just a shame that there are makers leaving here, or not posting.
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GoTulane
Shizzle-rific
Yeah, banning wouldn't be that bad - You might receive less emails/PM/calls, or maybe more time to answer the heavy load you already have
Of course, it might even give us a chance to meet Mrs. Crisp:thumbup:
That's if you follow the JB way - lol.
SHIZZLE ON!!!!
Michael
Not a cue maker or cue builder (but I did refinish and modify my old cane cue 
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Just a thought...there is room for both a cue makers only and a ask the cuemaker.
I've lurked here for years. Seen the pissing contests,observed cuemakers helping others, gathered great info that one day will help in deciding what I want in a custom.
I have seen some guys who were starting out develop into cuemakers with a LOT of help from you more experienced guys. I just wonder if this had been "The Secret Society" if those guys would have had any chance of developing into the cue makers they now are?
).Just a thought...there is room for both a cue makers only and a ask the cuemaker.
I've lurked here for years. Seen the pissing contests,observed cuemakers helping others, gathered great info that one day will help in deciding what I want in a custom.
I have seen some guys who were starting out develop into cuemakers with a LOT of help from you more experienced guys. I just wonder if this had been "The Secret Society" if those guys would have had any chance of developing into the cue makers they now are?
Because they are thin-skinned prima donnas with limited internet skills? :grin:There are very few experienced cue makers posting anymore. Anyone want to venture a guess why?
So some noob gives bogus info, or some jackwad craps on your opinion.... bfd, get over it. If people can't figure out for themselves who to take advice from, too bad for them.
A lot of the so-called experienced cuemakers have been some of the worst pot-stirrers we've had.
I did notice that Ryan wasn't around much but with a heavy work load, just figured he was taking a break.
So we have, Dicky, KJ, Chris, Eric, Lee, Scott G, Tony Z, Dave B, Jer, Mike W, Joey, Desi, etc, that contribute lots and other maybe newer cue makers that have some good tips as well.
I'm thinkin this is still a pretty good turn out.
So we have, Dicky, KJ, Chris, Eric, Lee, Scott G, Tony Z, Dave B, Jer, Mike W, Joey, Desi, etc, that contribute lots and other maybe newer cue makers that have some good tips as well.
I'm thinkin this is still a pretty good turn out.
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