Triangle vs. Layered Tips...
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Triangle tips are made from ground up leather, they arent from a certain part of a cow hide. I would speculate that if the 15mm tips are indeed better, its because they are old. Tweeten hasnt made them in that size for some time.
Chuck
umm....have to disagree with you here....the tips are NOT made from bits of ground up leather. the leather does have a coarse grain, which may give that impression, but a tip made that way isn't practical as it would be nearly all glue.
the 15mm triangles i just bought aren't that old, they have a date of 02/09 printed on them
Thanks again for the input!
Any more advice, opinions or tips on Triangles???
Any more advice, opinions or tips on Triangles???
for more money your supposed to get better products !!
the Kamui is 9 times better and 9 times more expensive!! Put the Kamui on and it will be there years from Now!!!! I find it much easier to get warmed up with Kamui, I use different cues with different softness Kamui ,BLK and BROWN. I use blue diamond chalk with Kamui , and it leaves a finger print on the ball. To me that is a big finger Print controlling the ball. mark
the Kamui is 9 times better and 9 times more expensive!! Put the Kamui on and it will be there years from Now!!!! I find it much easier to get warmed up with Kamui, I use different cues with different softness Kamui ,BLK and BROWN. I use blue diamond chalk with Kamui , and it leaves a finger print on the ball. To me that is a big finger Print controlling the ball. mark
it won't last 2 months on my cue. i cut them off when they start to glaze over
IMO, Triangle is the best tip you can get. Layered tips are hype. Out of them all, the original Moori MH was the best one. Pretty decent. But nothing out of the ordinary or special. Still, it didn't do anything the Triangle couldn't do. At best, it was simply a layered tip that manged to stay together as well as a standard tip.
Layered tips are mostly a scheme to get people to pay $15+ for something that ought to cost $0.50. Layers of glue have no business inside of a leather tip. Layered tips are more susceptible to problems than regular tips. Yet, the marketing has convinced people of precisely the opposite, that layered tips keep their shape better, don't mushroom or don't mushroom as much, last longer, are less prone to "going bad" etcetera ad nauseam.
I play with a Triangle. It works great, does the job and gives up nothing to any other tip out there.
But there will always be a market out there of people who believe in the fantasy of being able to buy skill and buy some magic. Kamui schmooey. I laugh at these guys with Kamui tips scuffing or tapping them every 10 racks. My Triangle holds chalk very well and requires hardly any maintenance. The best is when a fancy schmancy layered tip mushrooms or gets badly out of shape. So much for those claims. Of course, all the apologists quickly swarm in state it was a "bad installation" ...the installer of the tip "overheated it" and didn't know what they were doing or some other nonsense. What a crock. Hey, why not have certification courses for the proper installation of super-duper layered tips? LOLOL.
Even if that were true, who would want a tip that is so sensitive to installation friction and heat? I never had an issue with a Triangle going bad because it was trimmed down and shaped on a lathe.
Some layered tip makers hire some pro to blast some hard core power draw shots to IMPLY, "hey look, the tip can make you draw like this" ...What a load. They know that bangers across the world are mesmerized in awe and respect at the sight of power draw. It's the banger's holy grail of cueing skills. Buy the tip, buy the skill is what's in play. And they do in droves.
Good engineering is about getting something done with the fewest parts and least complexity possible. Can't beat a solid one piece tip. As bomb proof as it gets.
Here's a reality check - hard work and lots of practice to EARN yourself a real stroke, and you can do whatever you want with whitey with whatever tip you like.
Layered tips are mostly a scheme to get people to pay $15+ for something that ought to cost $0.50. Layers of glue have no business inside of a leather tip. Layered tips are more susceptible to problems than regular tips. Yet, the marketing has convinced people of precisely the opposite, that layered tips keep their shape better, don't mushroom or don't mushroom as much, last longer, are less prone to "going bad" etcetera ad nauseam.
I play with a Triangle. It works great, does the job and gives up nothing to any other tip out there.
But there will always be a market out there of people who believe in the fantasy of being able to buy skill and buy some magic. Kamui schmooey. I laugh at these guys with Kamui tips scuffing or tapping them every 10 racks. My Triangle holds chalk very well and requires hardly any maintenance. The best is when a fancy schmancy layered tip mushrooms or gets badly out of shape. So much for those claims. Of course, all the apologists quickly swarm in state it was a "bad installation" ...the installer of the tip "overheated it" and didn't know what they were doing or some other nonsense. What a crock. Hey, why not have certification courses for the proper installation of super-duper layered tips? LOLOL.
Even if that were true, who would want a tip that is so sensitive to installation friction and heat? I never had an issue with a Triangle going bad because it was trimmed down and shaped on a lathe.
Some layered tip makers hire some pro to blast some hard core power draw shots to IMPLY, "hey look, the tip can make you draw like this" ...What a load. They know that bangers across the world are mesmerized in awe and respect at the sight of power draw. It's the banger's holy grail of cueing skills. Buy the tip, buy the skill is what's in play. And they do in droves.
Good engineering is about getting something done with the fewest parts and least complexity possible. Can't beat a solid one piece tip. As bomb proof as it gets.
Here's a reality check - hard work and lots of practice to EARN yourself a real stroke, and you can do whatever you want with whitey with whatever tip you like.
The only problem with Triangle tips are that they are inconsistent in hardness, one tip to another. After a certain hardness they are all OK. But the soft ones are like little accordions and are not good at all.
That's the only reason layered tip are preferred, because they don't have loose fibers in the center of the tip... they have glue instead. I honestly don't know why a tip should have, say, more than 3-4 layers. JMO.
That's the only reason layered tip are preferred, because they don't have loose fibers in the center of the tip... they have glue instead. I honestly don't know why a tip should have, say, more than 3-4 layers. JMO.
Curious to know if you have tried a soaked and pressed Triangle? The process used is done to bring them all to the same level of compression , ergo consistency.
Soaking a bad tip won't do much. You can't make a bad tip into a good one. Soaking is done to allow pressing. Soaking in milk is best because it leaves sugar in the tip that acts as a glue. It can slightly improve a bad tip... but won't turn it into a good one. To determine a good tip from a bad (soft vs hard) to start with is to use a durometer (hardness tester). If you start with a good tip soaking is unnecessary and pressing it just hard enough to get out a little of the air is equivalent to getting it broken in quicker.
I believe, and it has been my experience, that soaking them (milk is not what I use) and compressing them flat brings them to a consistent level. The bad ones are few and far between, much less than the good to bad ratio straight out of the box.
that's what got me to buy a kamui. i'm back to layered tips i trust and 1 piece tips. no more hype for me
another nice thread, great info here.....
i just tried my first layered tip, after having played for the last 6 or so years with triangles..... i cant wait to get this layered everest off my cue and put a triangle on. the everest just doesnt grip the cb at all, and as in most things, if there is a disadvantage.... youd think there would be an advatage somewhere.... i cant find one advantage to this everest piece... i hate it.... i just simply cant go "out" on the cb like normal without a miscue.
edit: i had to put this note in.... i know almost for a fact this everest is a piece because i have been miscuing when the cb is on the rail with an almost level stroke.... that has NEVER happened with this sort of frequency..... i need to jack up say 5-10 more degrees just to avoid a miscue with this piece of crap. no wonder i see people with bad mechanics (overly jacked) when on the rail.... they are probably using these piece of crap tips
i just tried my first layered tip, after having played for the last 6 or so years with triangles..... i cant wait to get this layered everest off my cue and put a triangle on. the everest just doesnt grip the cb at all, and as in most things, if there is a disadvantage.... youd think there would be an advatage somewhere.... i cant find one advantage to this everest piece... i hate it.... i just simply cant go "out" on the cb like normal without a miscue.
edit: i had to put this note in.... i know almost for a fact this everest is a piece because i have been miscuing when the cb is on the rail with an almost level stroke.... that has NEVER happened with this sort of frequency..... i need to jack up say 5-10 more degrees just to avoid a miscue with this piece of crap. no wonder i see people with bad mechanics (overly jacked) when on the rail.... they are probably using these piece of crap tips
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I just last week cut the Everest tips off my Predator shafts and replaced them with Triangles. I've always preferred Triangle but just didn't see any reason to cut a nearly new $15 tip off of my shafts. Then, I too started miscuing more frequently than usual and it was an easy decision after that to replace with Triangles. I'm suprised I hadn't gotten on this thread when it first came out as I am a fan of Triangles to be sure. Although I do understand personal preferences, I have never understood all the "hype" over layered tips either. What I want to know is why don't the aftermarket LD shaft makers just start out with a good 'ol cheapo Triangle tip on their shafts to keep initial price down? Then, if one preferred, they could upgrade to a layered tip. Keeping the price down would probably generate more sales.
Maniac
Yes Everest tips bring the suck. A good Triangle will B!TCH Slap one of those things all day long.
If you're going to try a layered tip, you may want to try a Kamui Black Soft or Super Soft.
The Kamui Black Soft and Super Soft are to Layered tips what a Triangle is to a one-piece tip.
I did just recently try a Triangle tip again and was very impressed. I ended up selling the cue it was on, but will be trying one again in the near future. I'd like to do an A/B test with the same cue using a Triangle on one shaft and a Black Soft on the other. I'll post the results here when that happens!
im in the same boat. with a new 3142, why oh why predator put these tips on your cues?? i still have to have mine cut off though, and "downgrade" to a triangle. there will be a big release of tension from my mind/body when this "thing" (i wont even call it a tip) is cut from my cue.
triangle is bread and butter....all else are just trying to reinvent the wheel.
How could you even compare a $15-20 tip to a 50C triangle?
Performance based on price the triangle puts an ARSE whoopin on anything out there on the market.
rep to the triangle,
Grey Ghost
How could you even compare a $15-20 tip to a 50C triangle?
Performance based on price the triangle puts an ARSE whoopin on anything out there on the market.
rep to the triangle,
Grey Ghost
I sold a McDermott Deacon a year or so ago and recently bought it back.
I absolutely fell in love with the cue. I didn't care much for it the first time.
And also found the Triangle very much to my liking. I ordered 20 of them and they will be my tip of choice. I stock pretty much all of the best layered tips
and cheaper ones as well. I like all of them just fine, have pretty much tried all at one time or another. The Triangle does it for me plain and simple.
I absolutely fell in love with the cue. I didn't care much for it the first time.
And also found the Triangle very much to my liking. I ordered 20 of them and they will be my tip of choice. I stock pretty much all of the best layered tips
and cheaper ones as well. I like all of them just fine, have pretty much tried all at one time or another. The Triangle does it for me plain and simple.
Great input guys.
Very much appreciated!!!
Very much appreciated!!!