Selling---Tascarella cue--

Thats what makes me suspicious ... he received the first I-Trade at the same day he Join :confused:

Join Date: 12-20-2010

first I-Trade Date 12-20-2010 says : Very fast Shipping... Excellent.. No problems here

At the same day he posts the Tasc up for sale ... Smells A Little Fishy

Berny ....just saying :sorry:

asiasdad said:
cuemasterpieces said:

Well i think 2.2K would have been still a great deal for a Tasc ... so somebody gets a smoking Deal :grin-square:

Congrats to the new Owner ....well done;)


Berny

PS: I just hope this isnt to good to be true ... just saying

Jsmittycues
Join Date: 12-20-2010
first I-Trade : Very fast Shipping... Excellent.. No problems here Date 12-20-2010
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Jsmittycues
Registered User


Status: Offline Posts: 2
vCash: 500
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Tournaments Joined: 0
Tournaments Won: 0
Join Date: Dec 2010



This person joins this month.

This person has 2 posts, both on this 75% of market tasc

This person has 1 I-trader from a buyer that joined on 9-2010,
yet nothing was previously posted for sale ?????????????

This person has now received 1850 from 2 azers' who have
been around awhile ????

Is this person Aaron Painter ???
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kvinbrwr said:
That's fine with me.

Thanks

Kevin

PS Cedric I changed my mind. I'll just tell this guy to send my money back and you enjoy the cue.
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Kevin was first, Kevin was first, Kevin was first!!! Man, I wanted to hit with that!

So many newbies selling amazing cues....hmmmmmmm.
 
After zero communication with this seller I received my notice of refund through PayPal.

I saw that the seller had his first post the day he offered this cue and had a eTrader feedback, and that looked plenty fishy to me, so I PayPaled him with a credit card.

I saw that hew was a seller that joined AZ to sell this cue and had no history with the community so I paid him through PayPal with a credit card.

I saw that even when he saw his cue and his pricing had created a feeding frenzy he decided to continue the sale so I PayPaled him with a credit card.

I saw that he obviously knew what he had and still decided to under price it so I PayPaled him with a credit card.

Anyway, to those of you that were concerned about my money, I totally appreciate your concern but I have been refunded.

To Danktress who requested the honor of doing this deal, proceed in anyway way you feel safe, I suggest

PayPal funded with a credit card.

Thanks

Kevin
 
atthecat said:
Kevin was first, Kevin was first, Kevin was first!!! Man, I wanted to hit with that!

So many newbies selling amazing cues....hmmmmmmm.
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Monte

If the cue existed, I figured to let you hit some balls and maybe even sell it to you and retire off the profits, but when it turned into a "who posted first" deal even after the seller told me it was mine, gave me his PayPal eMail address and took my dang payment, I decided to bow out.

I'll get into those deep pockets of yours some other time and some other way.

Thanks

Kevin
 
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asiasdad said:
Jsmittycues
Registered User


Status: Offline Posts: 2
vCash: 500
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Tournaments Joined: 0
Tournaments Won: 0
Join Date: Dec 2010



This person joins this month.

This person has 2 posts, both on this 75% of market tasc

This person has 1 I-trader from a buyer that joined on 9-2010,
yet nothing was previously posted for sale ?????????????

This person has now received 1850 from 2 azers' who have
been around awhile ????

Is this person Aaron Painter ???
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To answer your question, that's a very good and very real possibility (if Aaron was his real name to begin with).

I figured it was worth a shot considering I was at zero risk. I'm always willing to roll the dice when my risk of losing is zero, if Vegas would make me that deal they would have to lead me away from the table to sleep.

Thanks

Kevin
 
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I dont think he would be able to withdraw any funds for like three days from Paypal anyways to prevent "circumstances" from happening...
 
kvinbrwr said:
After zero communication with this seller I received my notice of refund through PayPal.

I saw that the seller had his first post the day he offered this cue and had a eTrader feedback, and that looked plenty fishy to me, so I PayPaled him with a credit card.

I saw that hew was a seller that joined AZ to sell this cue and had no history with the community so I paid him through PayPal with a credit card.

I saw that even when he saw his cue and his pricing had created a feeding frenzy he decided to continue the sale so I PayPaled him with a credit card.

I saw that he obviously knew what he had and still decided to under price it so I PayPaled him with a credit card.

Anyway, to those of you that were concerned about my money, I totally appreciate your concern but I have been refunded.

To Danktress who requested the honor of doing this deal, proceed in anyway way you feel safe, I suggest

PayPal funded with a credit card.

Thanks

Kevin
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Hi Kevin,

Not knowing how paypal refunds come about i was wondering if your refund came directly from paypal, obviating the sellers approval, or if the seller had to approve/initiate it.

TIA, adam
 
gkloop said:
I dont think he would be able to withdraw any funds for like three days from Paypal anyways to prevent "circumstances" from happening...
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There's no prevention there. None of that matters if you fund your PayPal from a credit card, although PayPal in order to protect themselves (ie - save their costs in hunting down and collecting) does have a program where in large transactions with new sellers, they will hold access until the buyer notifies them of receipt.

Like I said, that program protects PayPal, as a buyer, you are beyond "pretty safe" if you fund your payments with a credit card.

Thanks

Kevin
 
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ribdoner said:
Hi Kevin,

Not knowing how paypal refunds come about i was wondering if your refund came directly from paypal, obviating the sellers approval, or if the seller had to approve/initiate it.

TIA, adam
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Adam

In this case, the seller initiated it. Had he not, and had I wanted to, I could have achieved a refund either through PayPal or through the bank that holds my credit card.

The fact that he refunded doesn't mean its not a scam (also doesn't mean it is either).

Thanks

Kevin
 
asiasdad said:
Jsmittycues
Registered User


Status: Offline Posts: 2
vCash: 500
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Tournaments Joined: 0
Tournaments Won: 0
Join Date: Dec 2010



This person joins this month.

This person has 2 posts, both on this 75% of market tasc

This person has 1 I-trader from a buyer that joined on 9-2010,
yet nothing was previously posted for sale ?????????????

This person has now received 1850 from 2 azers' who have
been around awhile ????

Is this person Aaron Painter ???
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D,

LOL, a blast from the past. Been yrs since i heard from AP and have empathy for those that got got.

Last i heard he was working with the gubmint in the financial sector:sorry:

MERRY CHRISTMAS to you and yours, A
 
gkloop said:
I dont think he would be able to withdraw any funds for like three days from Paypal anyways to prevent "circumstances" from happening...
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It takes 3 to 4 business days to complete a transfer to your bank account, or you can withdraw $400 a day through your Paypal debit card. I know of no restrictions automatically placed on withdrawal of funds.

Kevin, paying with a c/c would not stop a scammer from immediately sending you a ruse cue with proof of delivery. Who would decide if your dispute was valid, assuming the seller had proof of delivery? Paypal has e-mail notification that as far as I know cannot be turned off, so you would have known he was shipping something even though you had requested a refund. From that point, would it be wise to refuse delivery? It would be most challenging to refuse an uninsured USPS Priority Mail shipment which requires no signature. There seems to be a fine line you have to navigate from your position.
 
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poolplayer1714
Join Date: 09-02-2010
Last Activity: Yesterday 11:01 PM

This was the guy how gave him his I-TRADE the day he join ... possibly we should ask him about this seller and possibley even that Account is part of the "Party"


Berny <- hates Scammers and people without honor :angry:
 
cuemasterpieces said:
poolplayer1714
Join Date: 09-02-2010
Last Activity: Yesterday 11:01 PM

This was the guy how gave him his I-TRADE the day he join ... possibly we should ask him about this seller and possibley even that Account is part of the "Party"


Berny <- hates Scammers and people without honor :angry:
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Got to hand it to you brother, you have been on top of this from the get-go.
 
hangemhigh said:
It takes 3 to 4 business days to complete a transfer to your bank account, or you can withdraw $400 a day through your Paypal debit card. I know of no restrictions automatically placed on withdrawal of funds.

Kevin, paying with a c/c would not stop a scammer from immediately sending you a ruse cue with proof of delivery. Who would decide if your dispute was valid, assuming the seller had proof of delivery? Paypal has e-mail notification that as far as I know cannot be turned off, so you would have known he was shipping something even though you had requested a refund. from that point, would it be wise to refuse delivery? It would be most challenging to refuse a USPS Priority Mail shipment which requires no signature. There seems to be a fine line you have to navigate from your position.
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Tommy

Number 1) In order for the seller to be protected from a charge back for items over $300 he would have to have direct signature confirmation so delivery refusal is one option yes. However, I paid this guy with the hopes that the Tasc was real and had I not bowed out I certainly would have signed for whatever came.

#2) There are 2 ways to initiate a charge back from PayPal (assuming you used a credits card) one is through PayPal, the other is through your credit card bank. I never go through PayPal, that's a bunch of stall and back and forth. You just call (or go online) and dispute the charge to PayPal through your credit card account. The "rocks in a box" scam is fairly common for online sales and it is covered under "item received differs significantly" with is the 2nd reason for a valid dispute ("item not received " is the other). You dispute through your bank, they immediately credit your account (they lay right down once they learn it is PayPal because PayPal won't fight them), your bank charges PayPal back and PayPal charges the seller back.

In the case of "rocks in a box", your credit card company may require you to file a police report and copy them, no biggie. I've been sent switched goods twice (to obtain signature confirmation for the PayPal seller protection) both times I disputed through my bank and both times that was the end of it. The bank warned me I might have to file a police report or might be required to send the item back (and to keep the stuff sent and the original packaging), but both times PayPal was the middleman and I never heard again from my bank regarding the dispute. PayPal sends you a boilerplate eMail about how they would prefer if you used their dispute process, but that just goes in the trash. Interestingly, one time a guy sent me an inferior set of sterling flatware from what I'd won, but that had value and I still made money off the deal (considering I paid zero) after holding the goods for my bank for a couple of months.

Thanks

Kevin
 
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cuemasterpieces said:
poolplayer1714
Join Date: 09-02-2010
Last Activity: Yesterday 11:01 PM

This was the guy how gave him his I-TRADE the day he join ... possibly we should ask him about this seller and possibley even that Account is part of the "Party"


Berny <- hates Scammers and people without honor :angry:
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Berny

Saw that yesterday (before I paid him) and yeah, if he's a scammer, he has a partner or another AZ ID.

Kevin
 
In the case of "rocks in a box", your credit card company may require you to file a police report and copy them, no biggie. Kevin[/QUOTE]

That is the final move, and I remember a thread some time ago stating whoever filed the Police report first prevailed with Paypal. So it would behove you to file a report before the dispute so the seller/scammer had no recourse. If not, and the s/s beats you to the punch with a report, it seems Paypal will go after you.

More moves than a set of Eddie Robin books, lol.
 
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