Eric - Can you describe what Glenn did to "fix" the rails on your Diamond?
I have a 9' Pro Am as well, and Glenn set it up in my garage about 2 1/2 years ago.
Also, how long ago did Glenn fix your rails?
I'm curious.
Thanks, cd.
Archer's View on Diamond tables
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Eric - Can you describe what Glenn did to "fix" the rails on your Diamond?
I have a 9' Pro Am as well, and Glenn set it up in my garage about 2 1/2 years ago.
Also, how long ago did Glenn fix your rails?
I'm curious.
Thanks, cd.
Gee, God forbid we should say anything negative about the almighty Diamond table but no problem with bashing Brunswick around here, who btw, has also been known to participate in sponsoring professional tournaments every now and then. 
You guys crack me up sometimes. :grin-square:
You guys crack me up sometimes. :grin-square:
What's the date today? When did this comment from Johnny Archer take place?...that's my problem
Diamond has made many changes in their tables over the last year...enough so that this post should have never been brought up a year later...as you...are the first to air this comment from Johnny. And furthermore....failed to find out that Johnny has a Diamond ProAm...."worst" table....in his pool room for that matter. Don't mean to jump you...but as far as I'm concerned...this is out of date!
First of all, let me say that statement would be more valuable if Johnny had made it instead of you.
As far as sharing goes...as you like to put it, then why don't you SHARE the fact that Johnny Archer....HAS in fact...a Diamond 9ft ProAm in his pool room!...or DIDN'T you know about that?
Are you even aware of the fact...that I redesigned the playing conditions of the rails on all Diamond tables?...or are you just interested in trying to stir the pot here on AZ?
Since the US Open...have you heard one negative comment about Diamond tables....since you like to share/report..what Johnny has to say about Diamond tables?
Here's a little thought for all of you who think Diamonds skid more than any other tables out here. First of all, all things being equal on Gold Crowns vs Diamond tables, same cloth and all...then ask yourselves what's different between the tables! Hmmmm....MAYBE we should take a look at the balls...COULD there be a major difference between the Brunswick Centennial balls used on a Gold Crown vs the Super Aramith Pro balls used on the Diamond's? YES...there is, the finish don't last on the Super Aramith Pro balls, which in turn with the loss of the finish, the friction factor increases...which in turn, causes cling/hold/ball hop...what ever you want to call it....it even causes balls to hopp off the rails...and play boingy off the cushions....often blamed on the TABLE!!!
So, I say to you....get your damn facts straight....go ask Johnny Archer....if he even knows who you are...what he thinks about Diamond tables...paticularly...the DIAMOND PROAM in his pool room!!!
You..."overheard"....Johnny....and took that to be FACT reporting...a year later?????
Glen, the "Realkingcobra"
One out of thirty-five tables, that's impressive. Think maybe it's so he can practice for tournaments with the sub-standard equipment he doesn't care for? I have also heard Earl (who I personally dislike strongly but I do believe can play pretty well) complain about the Diamond tables. He infact referred to them as 'furniture tables'. We all know you are the Diamond rep on here but there are a lot of paying customers out here that just plain don't care for the product.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Static_electricity
They are not oppositely charged. One is negatively charged (the cueball), the other is neutral or less negatively charged (the object ball).
The cueball on a pool table travels alot more then the object balls do and thus creates more negative charge. Have you ever built up static charge using cat hair on a glass rod? A small amount of rubbing gives you a small negative charge on the rod, a large amount of rubbing gives you a large negative charge on the rod.
If you touch a glass rod with alot of negative charge to a rod with less negative charge the charge will flow to the less charged rod to balance the charge between the two. During this flow you can get polarization of the charges within the two rods and this causes a magnetic effect.
This simply depends on the amount of charge built up by the cueball before the discharge event. You can get quite alot of attraction if you build up enough charge. Easily enough to alter the direction of a thin cut on a object ball by a degree or two.
I'm only 1/2 way thru the threads at best, but your static thoughts came to mind in the earlier threads, since I'm from CO and we have static ALLOT, it made think of....how much metal is under the play surface? Your table cloth is probably 80% wool with 20% nylon (these two make allot of static + phenolic balls) and if there is allot of metal under the bed this combination could be real? Makes me wonder if the rails and aprons had allot of exterior metal like gold crowns would this slide/skid/scoot of the obj ball be more pronounced? I'll read the remaining threads, allot more to go. I hope its not true. Maybe someone should play with a set of clay or ivory balls to see if the same happens, or drastically change the humidity in the room to see if there's a difference with phenolic.
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what table then???
If diamonds and gold crowns are not good tables then what table is?? At the local room all the tables are crowns and diamonds. Players perfer the diamonds, but i have heard many complaints and never has ball skidding been one of them.
If diamonds and gold crowns are not good tables then what table is?? At the local room all the tables are crowns and diamonds. Players perfer the diamonds, but i have heard many complaints and never has ball skidding been one of them.
Concerning ball sets, aren't Brunswick and Aramith balls both made by the same company?...
I'm not defending how the Diamond's use to play, that's in the books so-to-speak. What I'm talking about now, is the fact that Johnny AND Earl both like the newer playing Diamond's....because they went through a change in the design of the rails that smoothed out the play of the cushions...making them much more "player" friendly, yet still use the same Artemis cushions. They now play just like the GC's I rebuild with the exception of the slate shelf in the pockets, and a few other differences...but that's because the tables are from different manufactures
Yes, but to different spec's.
Sorry. Just don't buy it. I'll grant you that CB vs. OB conditions are different, and that could generate different charge levels. But I REALLY doubt the different charge levels could possibly be enough to change the gross, physical movement of the balls (at a level that could matter in pool). Just ain't gonna happen.
To me a much simpler point of view is that heavy static might attract chalk dust, and the dust is the culprit. Who knows, maybe it only attracts ULTRA-FINE dust that's practically invisible, but which is super-effective at increasing friction at ball contact. Much more plausible than gross kinetic effects on the balls, IMO.
Well, I had a somewhat similar question for RKC concening his statement that the Super Pros and Centennials have different compositions, at least in terms of the finish. Just because they are both made by Saluc in and of itself doesn't mean much since Saluc makes many different balls at different price points that differ in quality. But in regard to the Super Pros and Centennials it says right on Saluc's website that these two are the same ball:
"As the top of the line, the Super Aramith PRO set distinguishes itself by its beautiful design and numbers and the maximized in-depth vitrification of its More importantly, it is a fully matched professional set, where precise calibration of each ball guarantees maximum consistency within the set. The Super Aramith PRO also exists in the Centennial design produced for Brunswick."
BTW, that is a paste of the quote. I know it doesn't read quite right. It appears that first sentence is unfinished.
RKC, may I ask where you got this info on the difference in these balls? I'd like to find out more about this because I always thought the difference was just in the graphics. Thanks. :thumbup:
In talking about ball skid/scoot/slide, I've noticed over the years the darker balls, especially the 8 ball because of its porosity is more prone to the skid, but what I haven't see in these threads, and most often for me has been the case with cue ball rotation as it strikes the obj ball. I've missed more balls I should of made by the wrong combination of speed/spin with the proper contact point on the obj ball. As we all know, any spinning of whitey at slower speeds drastically increases ''gearing''.
My thoughts exactly. I was waiting to see how long it took for the 'good of the product' sentiment to be brought up. 9 pages.
Diamond takes its products very seriously and I bet it is less offended by JA's mutterring than many here suggest.
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I think I know what you're saying but what I'm talking about here is definitely not spin induced throw.
The only reason for that is that Diamond has been the "Gold Standard" of pool tables for a while now and are used at most of the prestigious tournaments. The tournament tables are almost always freshly covered in new Simonis cloth. It's the new cloth that causes the skidding, it has nothing at all to do with the table. Just common sense should make that clear. If you want to talk about the difference in how the Diamond bank in respect to Gold Crown, you have a plausible argument, though I've owned Gold Crowns for 20 years and last year replace my last Gold Crown with a Diamond and love the way it plays in all respects. They do bank a little differently, but I prefer the way the Diamond banks to the Brunswick by a big margin. The main reason I switched is because I used to practice on my Gold Crown and go to the Derby each year and felt helpless on the Diamonds. But now even if the Derby switched to Gold Crowns (which I realize is a ridiculous scenario) I'd never go back. I love the diamond!
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I played at TS on the new rail design and still see nearly every bank come quite a bit short, all variety of banks and kicks. This is when the slick new cloth doesn't make them slide on the rail, thereby opening the angle off the rail. No way to fix that.
These tables with new cloth definately can cause the OB to slide after contact, making the shot play as if it were hit too full. Totally unpredictable, certain strokes accentuate it, just like skidding. Anything that extends the contact time between ball can disprupt the shot. Particularly hitting the CB with a little topspin on a low angle cut shot. The CB climbs the OB, pushing the OB off line.
I played at TS on the new rail design and still see nearly every bank come quite a bit short, all variety of banks and kicks. This is when the slick new cloth doesn't make them slide on the rail, thereby opening the angle off the rail. No way to fix that.
These tables with new cloth definately can cause the OB to slide after contact, making the shot play as if it were hit too full. Totally unpredictable, certain strokes accentuate it, just like skidding. Anything that extends the contact time between ball can disprupt the shot. Particularly hitting the CB with a little topspin on a low angle cut shot. The CB climbs the OB, pushing the OB off line.