Orange Crush
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12ozCurl
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Odds are I put my money on the player getting the weight.
I don't think you can offer this to a "solid" anything. I wouldn't give my wife this spot. That and I'm pretty sure we already had this thread a week or two ago, they just didn't call it orange crush.
I would be backing the player getting weight.
You should rob him.
12ozCurl
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Not to mention....a Bar Box 9ball? if the weighted player has a decent break, its game over.
The Orange Crush is the 5 & the Breaks, not alternate breaks. The breaks are huge on a bar table and hard to overcome, most pros won't give this up on a bar table. Alternate breaks is still big so the better player can't string racks, but not nearly as strong as the Orange Crush. But if you have played before, you should know what a good game would be.
Good luck.
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I think that is a super tough weight for anyone to give AND win with. What worries me is that he is offering it to you. If he's offering it then he thinks he can beat you with it. If he gambles a lot and is good at gambling then that is what I would be considering. If he knows you well then I would think he knows your speed. Maybe he's is underestimating you, though...
My suggestion would be to try to get the breaks and not alternate and then go from there.
Good luck-
J.
It depends entirely on how strong the A player is. If they are competitive at the pro level they could give it.
Alternate breaks make the game more fair to the B player, because the stronger player is more likely to string racks. So the B player definitely wants to have alternate breaks.
To give you an idea, when the Filipino pros come over here, they can spot the shortstops (A players) the 6 ball. B players can get the 5 and the break, and more. The Filipino pro's usually win the cash too.
Chris
All input prior to your post is the truth, generally.
When you start throwing history into the mix, the formula is not so accurate.
Having said that...
I played in this weekly event for months and won it or finished 2nd literally every week. I was already giving everyone the 7/ breaks, so the owner told me I had to give everyone the 5,6,7,8+ breaks- the aforementioned 'orange crush'- and I went 2/ out for 4wk straight, not winning a game.
FYI- I lobbied for a change and we went to I give up the 7/8...winner break
to everyone and I had lunch money again:nanner:.Side: Shuff came in one week to play and they told him he was gonna have to give everyone the 7, so he left. I kept my mouth shut and nobody told him I was spotting everyone, so he thought he was being singled out. I found this out years later...and he said he would have stayed if he knew I was gonna have to spot him. Guess so!
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The orange crush would include the breaks so if it's alternate breaks, it would just be "the wild 5". Either way, the wild 5 is a high jack. The A player has no chance giving that to a B player. And the breaks+a bar table make thing even worse.
Of course "A player" and "B player" could mean something differnt where you are.
Of course "A player" and "B player" could mean something differnt where you are.
then I stand corrected, re: "...the aforementioned 'orange crush'..."
I think that goes back to how good A/ B players are in a given area.
I think both levels would rarely combo a ball, making the 5/Brk tougher to give than 7/8, winner break.
I think both levels would rarely combo a ball, making the 5/Brk tougher to give than 7/8, winner break.
I'm thinking you can run the calculations fairly quickly to determine if the weight is out of line or not.
1. How often will the B player break, get to the 5, and pocket the five?
2. How often will the B player pocket the 5 or the 9 on the break?
3. Of the games that the above 2 doesn't happen how often will the B player win the rack?
4. Stakes of the match and how much the pressure will affect each player.
If you know the player you should have a fairly good idea of how often they can accomplish #1. I think a lot of people think this is a lot easier than it actually is. This is were the whole definition of a "B" player comes into play. Getting to the 5 and making it 40% of the time would be pretty good if you ask me. If someone could do this 40% percent of the time that would pretty much make this much weight almost impossible to out run.
If you added 5% for pocketing the 5 or 9 on the break to the 40% from above you are already at 45%. This would mean you would have to win nearly ever other rack in order to out run this.
Sooo, it looks like the break and run to the 5 percentage would have to be down near 30% for the B player in order for the A player to take a stab at this. Now the stakes of the match can really change the percentages. I've seen guys (myself included) have trouble just getting to the five when the pressure was on.
1. How often will the B player break, get to the 5, and pocket the five?
2. How often will the B player pocket the 5 or the 9 on the break?
3. Of the games that the above 2 doesn't happen how often will the B player win the rack?
4. Stakes of the match and how much the pressure will affect each player.
If you know the player you should have a fairly good idea of how often they can accomplish #1. I think a lot of people think this is a lot easier than it actually is. This is were the whole definition of a "B" player comes into play. Getting to the 5 and making it 40% of the time would be pretty good if you ask me. If someone could do this 40% percent of the time that would pretty much make this much weight almost impossible to out run.
If you added 5% for pocketing the 5 or 9 on the break to the 40% from above you are already at 45%. This would mean you would have to win nearly ever other rack in order to out run this.
Sooo, it looks like the break and run to the 5 percentage would have to be down near 30% for the B player in order for the A player to take a stab at this. Now the stakes of the match can really change the percentages. I've seen guys (myself included) have trouble just getting to the five when the pressure was on.
I always thought the Orange Crush was the 5,6,7,8,9 out (wild even on the break) and all the breakshots.
Looks like the spot's been reduced perhaps due to the recession?
