Alex's performance in Turning Stone finals

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Taking zero away from Rodney's most impressive win, it was hard to ignore the fact that Alex was jumping up on so many shots (and missing some maybe because of it).

I wonder why he was doing this - maybe frustrated with how things were going?

I was only able to watch the final so didn't see any of his other matches to compare.

Did anyone notice this in his other matches?

Great stream and commentary, btw, v-e-r-y much appreciated. :thumbup:

Best,
Brian kc
 
I feel he played poor and got lucky in his match with Dan Heidrich. I don't like his game, he's good for pool, but it is showoff pool as far as i'm concerned. He can do what he wants, but i'd rather watch an amazing choice maker like sigel play any day over an entertainer. I mean, he tried to hook Dan behind the tip of the side on a shot, there were other shots there.... it's like he thinks more about what people will say than the actual best shot. That silly shot brought it to hill hill (ie not shooting that bad shot he could have won the match there). Then he got lucky on a kick shot to win the match after being hooked good.

THEN he took a very poor ball in hand one ball shot hill hill. He should have played straight in on the 2 and drawn straight back off the 2, I think even he would admit it looking at it. It was such a bad choice. But he got out. I know I sound like a doofus giving a guy who makes the final a hard time, but I feel my assessments are correct.

If anybody is interested:
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/17187001
 
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Alex i think lost his second match of the tournament. I know for certain he lost early. I feel the reason he wasnt playing well was because of fatigue. He played 6 straight matches on the losers side on Sat. Then on sunday played from 11am-9pm straight. I know a lot of people will say, hes a pro these things shouldnt happen to him. But honestly i dont think it was anything else but fatigue.
 
Just one of those days

I watched a few matches with alex playing , his game was off at times. I guess if you play every day that you are capable of having issues distract you from the moment , alex look like his head was some where else ,preoccupied with moments of brilliance. :Wasyl :rolleyes:
 
I think it was an obvious split....with Rodney needing the Mosconi points !!!

-Steve

Wouldn't a split just mean that they were splitting the 1st & 2nd place money?

Aren't you implying that Alex dumped the match?

Splitting and dumping aren't the same thing in my book.
 
I watched the semifinal and Alex looked exhausted at some point of the match.
 
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I think Alex is a very skilled pool player. I also believe that he is still immature and lacks good judgement at times.

I think the best from Alex is still to come.

Kim
 
I think it was an obvious split....with Rodney needing the Mosconi points !!!

-Steve

Very possible. Semifinal vs Putnam was a different Pagulayan.

That kind of "business" could be one reason why pool doesn't make it on television.
 
Very possible. Semifinal vs Putnam was a different Pagulayan.

That kind of "business" could be one reason why pool doesn't make it on television.

Agreed! Whether it actually happened in this match or not, the fact is that it does happen, and it cheapens the results.
 
I think it was an obvious split....with Rodney needing the Mosconi points !!!

-Steve

If not a split there was clearly a large saver in place to make it little difference. This is one problem with savers and splits, you get people in finals who are in effect doing an "exhibition" and it is not close to as interesting as watching two people do battle for the cash.

Alex looked like a guy who was just happy to have made it to the finals and ws content to do whatever at that point, he played pretty loose and if he wins great but if he loses that is OK to. If the money had been on the line it would have been different.

I don't blame the pros for it, in Alex or Rodney's shoes I would have done the same, there are no rules against it in this sport, but it sucks for the fans at times. I have chopped finals, we usually don't play at all, if we were forced to as with professional events like this then you are playing with a whole different mindset then you would if you were playing for the cash difference between 1st and second. Even the title is kind of moot at the point that you are splitting, both players know they are playing with a different mindset and the game is alot looser and the winning or losing does not mean as much at that point.

Hopefully if/when this game actually gets into some more serious money they will clamp down on splits and savers. If Nadal and Federer went and did a saver they would both be suspended from multiple events on the tour, if they did it twice they would probably be banned for life.

But the game of pool has to change alot, the professionals need an honest to god tour, they need a decent event every 2 weeks with decent payouts all the way down to 64th. For that we need actual big business sponsers who are NOT pool industry, such as Pepsi and the US-Open which is IMO a huge step in the right direction and people should be at this very moment working like crazy to build off of that, talking to OTHER big companies and saying "look, we have this huge tournament called the US Open 9-ball, gets over 200 of the world best players playing in it, and oh yeah, Pepsi is a sponser, so how about it Southwest Airlines, want to become a part of it?". Sponsership is often times like that, get one big sponser to take the first step and alot of others are more likely to follow.

But anyhow, ya, Alex vs Rodney was an exhibition, Rodney played great but he looked like a guy shooting off the hip with no fear of missing as if he was just practicing. Alex got down early, was tired, and hammed it up abit and did whatever to make the final score respectable. That is our sport atm in all but a small few events.
 
Taking zero away from Rodney's most impressive win, it was hard to ignore the fact that Alex was jumping up on so many shots (and missing some maybe because of it).

I wonder why he was doing this - maybe frustrated with how things were going?

I was only able to watch the final so didn't see any of his other matches to compare.

Did anyone notice this in his other matches?

Great stream and commentary, btw, v-e-r-y much appreciated. :thumbup:

Best,
Brian kc
he was lucky to be in the finals.take away the luck he had playing shawn then shawn in the finals.
 
I think Alex is a very skilled pool player. I also believe that he is still immature and lacks good judgement at times.

I think the best from Alex is still to come.

Kim

lol Alex is 35 years old. If he hasn't matured yet I don't think he will.
 
Agreed! Whether it actually happened in this match or not, the fact is that it does happen, and it cheapens the results.

I know Earl is controversial and a lot of people hate his guts, but if I have the story right he is the only guy who refused to go along with the scam when those guys reportedly dumped that tournament Vegas was laying odds on years ago. The Vegas oddsmakers got a lesson and haven't been back.
 
I know Earl is controversial and a lot of people hate his guts, but if I have the story right he is the only guy who refused to go along with the scam when those guys reportedly dumped that tournament Vegas was laying odds on years ago. The Vegas oddsmakers got a lesson and haven't been back.

That was one of the most idiotic moves the pool pros ever made, they screwed themselves over on what could have been millions of dollars in support and a proper professional tour for one single payday. The Vegas casino's could have done extremely well on booking pool matches and if the pool players could have controlled themselves they would have a tour paying heaps of players 6 digits+ these days off of the tournament prize funds.

They were right idiots on that day.
 
So if Alex laid down, how did Rodney Morris "fake" playing lights out???

The set took just over an hour for 20 games. That's 3 minutes per game average where Rodney ran out like water.

Pretty sure Alex realized he wasn't going to be winning this set.

BTW he beat Hatch 9-0. Maybe you've heard of him before.

Nobody is taking anything away from Rodney's play, he played great all tournament long. But, don't you think for 1 second that his style matched with the ability to run out without any pressure + Alex missing many shots could equate to an easier win? If they decided to chop the cash before hand, which is actually pretty smart for 2 people making a living at the sport, then playing extremely loose and running out becomes easier.
 
Celtic...You act like that was the first time there was ever any dumping in pro pool. Please...it's been going on for at least 60 years, and probably a lot longer. It's not like I disagree with your post (other than the rhetoric about a "proper professional tour" and "millions of dollars in support"), but to think that will ever change is, imo, ludicrous at best. Poolplayers are by-in-large gamblers...and gamblers will always be looking for a way to "cover the spread", or beat the odds. That will never change.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

That was one of the most idiotic moves the pool pros ever made, they screwed themselves over on what could have been millions of dollars in support and a proper professional tour for one single payday. The Vegas casino's could have done extremely well on booking pool matches and if the pool players could have controlled themselves they would have a tour paying heaps of players 6 digits+ these days off of the tournament prize funds.

They were right idiots on that day.
 
Celtic...You act like that was the first time there was ever any dumping in pro pool. Please...it's been going on for at least 60 years, and probably a lot longer. It's not like I disagree with your post (other than the rhetoric about a "proper professional tour" and "millions of dollars in support"), but to think that will ever change is, imo, ludicrous at best. Poolplayers are by-in-large gamblers...and gamblers will always be looking for a way to "cover the spread", or beat the odds. That will never change.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

All that says is you are of the opinion that the professional pool players are going to continue pissing in their own corn flakes until the end of time for small short term gains and large long term losses. You might very well be right, but that is one sad statement on this sport and the people who play it IMO.
 
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