My "conversation" with Marty Herman

RobMan said:
Does anyone really watch this for hours???? Holy cow!!

I watched the first few minutes ... and have to admit the whole camera upside down thing was kinda amusing!
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No way, I watched the first 15 seconds, got dizzy and then skipped to 2:18:30 that sfleinen talked about and listened to maybe 4-5 minutes of his rant. "Facebook saving pool" and "the growing cancer" here on AZ just made me laugh.
 
SUPERSTAR said:
It all depends on the type of attention, and what is perceived as normal is all "relative."

In a nutshell, Marty goes off for 1 reason and 1 reason only. When his ego gets damaged.
Whether he is losing in a match or someone calls him on or questions any of the grandiose things that he claims or says anything negative about him, his ego can't handle it, and he cracks.

The man is straight up delusional. He has pipe dreams about where he falls in the pecking order of professional pool in all it's different facets. (player, teacher, creative ideas/producer, cue broker etc)

But really, if you've been around pool long enough, we've all seen these types at one time or another.

You know, the ones who stink, who desperately want to be recognized as a better player, or guys who legitimately play good, who want to be recognized as top shelf, all of which, "pad their resume" (high runs, victories, name dropping, etc) in an attempt to make them look better or more esteemed then they really are.

Every single pool room has handfuls of these types in some way shape or form, who are the butt end of jokes, and roll-eyes heads shaking when they make their claims. So when you think about it, pipe dreaming pool players are kind of "normal" in pool. They have their respective place in the grand scheme of things.

But Marty is in a class by himself when it comes to this stuff.
And unlike most others, i really think he truly believes some of the claims that he makes, and that he is the only brain capable of thinking, on earth.

Guaranteed, you will never see Marty Herman go ballistic while someone is telling him how great he is at pool, what a great pool instructor he is, and how much they love the Southwest that he sold them, basically, blowing sunshine up his ass about everything he does. He actually calms down when that happens.
That should tell you something right there.

I am of the opinion that he is too absorbed/caught up in his pipe dream ego fantasies, and that's definitely not normal.

The boy is whacked.
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In the end, SUPERSTAR, I believe that when all the chips are thrown in the middle, when you're all-in, he, like every other human being on this planet, just wants to be accepted and loved. If you think about it, that is the motivating force behind most human actions. Sadly, some grow old and never experience true love, and they are constantly searching for it to heal their troubled souls.

If you look at Steve Tyler of Aerosmith, well, I'm not sure why, but I really, really dig this cat. I love watching him on TV. He's not handsome, by any means; in fact, he looks like a toad. But why is he so cool to me and many others? He's loved. Because he's loved, he exudes self-confidence. It is something that people can't buy. Why are some people with more money than the tea in China so miserable and unhappy? There is no love in their heart.

Love really does make the world go 'round! :angel:

Marty Herman only wants recognition when he lashes out, but in the end, he wants to be accepted and loved. That's it in a nutshell. :p
 
Jerry Forsyth said:
Oh, jeez. I woke up with a threatening email from Marty. He says if we don't stop 'strifing' that he will tell the world the 'truth' about Mike and I. Damn. That's scary. He might have to tell you guys that I have been married to the same great (and very patient) gal for 45 years. He might have to tell you that AZBilliards serves the industry and handles things like the pro ranking system and the points list, all for free. He might have to tell you all that Mike and I got Pat Fleming to come stream the Turning Stone events so that you can all have a high-quality stream to watch even though it costs us over $4,000 per trip to do so. Yep, we're pretty bad guys, all right.

JB, Marty admits that he is 'propoolplayer' on all of the streams, so connecting these dots is pretty easy. He talked about this just the other day and it is a saved tape.

Look, I am fine with Marty when he keeps his mouth shut. I hope he enjoys doing his 'show' and if his 'pro pool league' succeeds, well, great. Good for the game. But he has been threatening Mike and I for years with death and it is getting old. On his show he says that Mike and I are cancers and we need to be eliminated. He even said we have to die for him to succeed and he pretty much begs his viewers to please take us out. So, JAM, I don't really care about how sick he is. Sick, misguided folks like this do a great deal of harm. However, if he will leave us alone and have no contact with us and stop all the crap that he is constantly stirring then we will never mention him again.

But if he wants to argue with folks who buy their ink by the barrel so to speak, well, that is his error. His constant lies are so absurd. He tells folks that we are paid $2,000 and expenses to go to do the live scoring at events. Marty, that is a stone cold stupid lie.

Have a nice day!
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I first met Marty in 1991/1992 in providence, RI in a AAA tournament at a pool room called 'snookers Cafe' or something like that. Those days he was a strong player and that was 20 years ago. Yes he was a proplayer. He was admitted to Pro Billiards Tour in 1995 when Don Macky was the commissioner of Pro Billiards tour. During those days there was a well established system for admission for the pro Billiards Tour. An aspiring player had to accumulate 18 points from various tournaments to be considered for admission into Pro Billiards Tour as a member of the pro tour.

We have a trend in the pool world to use the world champions like Shane,Johny,Effren as Bench marks for the pool and we dismiss the others as No Good Players. That is a wrong approach in assessing the skill level of the players. World Champions shouldn`t be the Bench Marks. Marty may not have been able to play like Johny Archer but he was a Proplayer and I am a witness to that. I can`t comment on all his comments & behaviors alleged by others on this board. Since 1991/1992 my interactions with him were limitted and during those interactions he was reasonably appropriate and fair with me. I never felt insulted by him and may be I don`t have thin skin.:cool:
 
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JAM said:
In the end, SUPERSTAR, I believe that when all the chips are thrown in the middle, when you're all-in, he, like every other human being on this planet, just wants to be accepted and loved. If you think about it, that is the motivating force behind most human actions. Sadly, some grow old and never experience true love, and they are constantly searching for it to heal their troubled souls.
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Some people are happy just puttin around and don't need any additional stimuli. This guy, though, couldn't be happy that way at all. He doesn't need to be accepted and loved, he needs to be worshipped and adored. Mental "illness" or not, like Spider said, he's responsible for himself and his actions in the end. He's going to run his mouth to the wrong person one day and that's all it will take. Who knows, that final synapse could finally align and everything will be well with the world afterwards.
 
JAM said:
I believe Marty Herman may suffer from a medical problem, and I do not believe he understands thoroughly how his actions may affect others. It is a shame that his words are abrasive, as it does nothing to promote his cause, whatever that cause may be.

I have a niece that is bipolar. She is fine as long as she takes her meds, but when she goes off her meds, she exhibits abnormal behavior, sometimes what I would term as "abrasive."

Threads like this, IMO, is like poking a stick at a rabid raccoon. The raccoon is sick and does not understand why everybody is poking a stick at him. The raccoon, as a self-defense mechanism, lashes out.

I hate seeing somebody that may suffer from a medical problem get poked at.
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What a great reply! Thanks for posting this JAM, it really made me reconsider how I look at people who act like this.
 
JAM said:
Marty Herman only wants recognition when he lashes out, but in the end, he wants to be accepted and loved.
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Well, in some cases, he wants recognition for things that aren't true or have never happened. If that's the case, why lash out defending them when he gets called on it?

And then on that note, you can't be accepted and loved if all you do is lash out.

Which brings us right back to square 1. Recognition.

I mean, if a guy wants to have his ego stroked over legitimate accomplishments, sure i can play along. No big deal.
But when someone starts in with all sorts of fantasy stuff, i will call them on it if i know better.

Hence, the impasse.

Guaranteed, it wouldn't be a big deal for anyone on a stream if someone came out with some ridiculous claim, but Marty has no off switch, and when the diarrhea starts to flow for hours on end, it gets kind of old when it happens each and every single time the guy shows up.

Love ain't changing Marty. He will just keep right on spewing that garbage for all time.
 
None of us know whether Marty or a couple of other well known, runs around the country players who spout lies and hate, are in fact suffering from a mental condition.

Yes I suspect they are, however that does not make them dangerous necessarily but then again we don't know whether they are or not. Often people who are this unhinged, when not taking medication, they can be dangerous to themselves and others.

I don't believe anyone's threats of violence should be taken lightly. Stalking takes many forms, in person, phone, mail, email, and now...via the net on social media sights, youtube and blogs.

It is not funny, entertaining, nor should be acceptable behavior.
 
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Holly said:
I don't believe anyone's threats of violence should be taken lightly.
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You ain't shee-at on the internet until someone has threatened to kill you over something you've posted...

... or John Barton Collins has challenged you to a set for $500 :-)

Lou Figueroa
 
I find this thread sad also, but at least:

1) many more people have been alerted to this unstable man
2) AZB has garnered plenty more evidence if needed
 
one of Marty's claims is that he created AZBilliards or, at the very least, gave them the idea for it. He was ranting on a stream one day on how he's not recognized for it.
 
BrooklynJay said:
one of Marty's claims is that he created AZBilliards or, at the very least, gave them the idea for it. He was ranting on a stream one day on how he's not recognized for it.
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LOL! Now that's funny, especially since it started out as "AZ" as in "Arizona". That was sheer genius on his part to recognize that starting a site for local AZ pool info would turn into the biggest pool/billiards-related site on the Internet!
 
Jimmy M. said:
LOL! Now that's funny, especially since it started out as "AZ" as in "Arizona". That was sheer genius on his part to recognize that starting a site for local AZ pool info would turn into the biggest pool/billiards-related site on the Internet!
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He ain't no dummy! He just plays one on the internet...LOL
 
Nothing but a bunch of strifers on AZBilliards. All this strifing is stifling.
Aieeeeeeeeeh!
 
BrooklynJay said:
one of Marty's claims is that he created AZBilliards or, at the very least, gave them the idea for it. He was ranting on a stream one day on how he's not recognized for it.
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He has done as much for internet billiards as the Fast one...

JV
 
i've been called many things and by n large don't give a shit, but, it pisses me off when i'm clueless with regards to what some mallethead calls me...WTF is a "strifer":confused:
 
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