I hate to say this about a person,but Marty is a compleate retard,1 weird moron!
My "conversation" with Marty Herman
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I totally empathize with your stance, believe me. If you ever get a chance to speak with Mike Zuglan about this topic, well, I am sure he feels exactly the same way as you. Mike, poor fellow, used to be the target of Marty Herman's wrath years ago, and the words that spewed from his mouth about Mike, a man that I respect greatly, were racist, vulgar, and actually, legally speaking, grounds for a lawsuit.
Personally, I think he is ill, but I am not a doctor, so I have no way of stating this as fact.
He and Earl Strickland get along great. At least I see them at tournaments hanging out together. I think they have one thing in common, and that commonality is actually the very thing that puts those demons in their head. Sadly, they cannot or will not recognize this.
Jerry Forsyth
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JAM,
Zuglan and Mike and I are not alone. Lots of folks have been at the bitter end of Herman's rope. I remember back during the Camel Tour when Marty demanded that RJ Reynolds put him on their health insurance plan.
I happened to be interviewing Larry Kiger, the manager of that program, at the time and Marty stomped into the room and demanded health insurance. Kiger asked Marty why he should get health insurance from RJR. Marty replied: "I play in your events, so I am your employee and I deserve all of the rights of your other employees."
Kiger paused. He could not believe what he was hearing. Then he said: "You play on the Camel Tour and that makes you an employee?" Marty said: "Of course it does."
So Kiger reached in his pocket, pulled out the entry fee amount for that event, handed it to Marty and said: "You're fired, get out."
What a sense of entitlement some folks have. When will they learn that playing great shape entitles you to another shot, nothing else? If you can't earn a living at pool in America, and very few can, the world still owes you nothing. You are only owed whatever you create for yourself.
Zuglan and Mike and I are not alone. Lots of folks have been at the bitter end of Herman's rope. I remember back during the Camel Tour when Marty demanded that RJ Reynolds put him on their health insurance plan.
I happened to be interviewing Larry Kiger, the manager of that program, at the time and Marty stomped into the room and demanded health insurance. Kiger asked Marty why he should get health insurance from RJR. Marty replied: "I play in your events, so I am your employee and I deserve all of the rights of your other employees."
Kiger paused. He could not believe what he was hearing. Then he said: "You play on the Camel Tour and that makes you an employee?" Marty said: "Of course it does."
So Kiger reached in his pocket, pulled out the entry fee amount for that event, handed it to Marty and said: "You're fired, get out."
What a sense of entitlement some folks have. When will they learn that playing great shape entitles you to another shot, nothing else? If you can't earn a living at pool in America, and very few can, the world still owes you nothing. You are only owed whatever you create for yourself.
A twist on this technique that Marty uses (at least against me), is he'll PM you directly as "propoolplayer" (as shown in SUPERSTAR's screen shot posted earlier), threaten you with vitriol as shown, and if you don't play his vitriol game (i.e. you show restraint as Bobby [wrldpro] did), he'll logout, then login under a different/obfuscated name, and PM you as that "somebody else." You will have been glad to have stopped Marty's nonsense, and you'll be back to watching the stream. Then this "somebody else" PMs you out of the blue, and you have to deal with it all over again.
He'll introduce himself as, say, "Dave from Boston," and proceed to inform you that Marty is who he says he is, can really play, really does coach all the world's pool superstars, and actually is a nice guy. He'll also warn you not to mess with Marty, as he means what he says, and will go after you. He'll say he "saw someone get seriously hurt -- went to the hospital" from Marty.
So it's not just the overt threats he makes, but the alter-egos as well that you have to deal with. And I'm just a little guy on his radar -- I can just imagine some of the stuff other (more overt) folks get from him!
-Sean
With the advent of social media and the Internet, it has created some monsters. Some folks are addicted to Facebook and are actually attending self-help groups in an effort to deal with their addiction. They claim they cannot function without posting on Facebook.
Forums like AzBilliards is another form of social networking. Sometimes the best way to deal with a person who is making trouble is to ignore them. I realize this is hard in the instance of Marty Herman's outrageous comments, but the more people put a limelight on him, it will only do the opposite, I fear, which is make him even louder.
One person ruined RSB, which used to be the oldest pool social networking site. If he had been "plonked," whatever that is, or ignored, RSB might still be strong today.
According to a February 15, 2012, Huffington Post article about social networking, and I quote, "everything we share on any social network is a cry for attention," end quote.
As with any addiction -- gambling, drinking, substance abuse, cigarettes, overeating -- there are some folks who are indeed addicts, and there are others who can gamble, drink alcohol, smoke a joint, smoke a cigarette, and eat a full-course meal and not suffer any side effects or consequences.
In this regard, I believe that Marty Herman is crying for attention, and the more attention that is given to him, the louder he will cry.
Forums like AzBilliards is another form of social networking. Sometimes the best way to deal with a person who is making trouble is to ignore them. I realize this is hard in the instance of Marty Herman's outrageous comments, but the more people put a limelight on him, it will only do the opposite, I fear, which is make him even louder.
One person ruined RSB, which used to be the oldest pool social networking site. If he had been "plonked," whatever that is, or ignored, RSB might still be strong today.
According to a February 15, 2012, Huffington Post article about social networking, and I quote, "everything we share on any social network is a cry for attention," end quote.
As with any addiction -- gambling, drinking, substance abuse, cigarettes, overeating -- there are some folks who are indeed addicts, and there are others who can gamble, drink alcohol, smoke a joint, smoke a cigarette, and eat a full-course meal and not suffer any side effects or consequences.
In this regard, I believe that Marty Herman is crying for attention, and the more attention that is given to him, the louder he will cry.
People who liberally give out death threats and physical threats are typically the victim of their own threat by someone who's way tougher than the person they claim to be.
The person who has a demonstrated track record of liberally giving out death threats and physical threats, if convicted, can escape legal ramifications by a mere mental insanity plea; whereas, the someone who is way tougher will most definitely do time in prison. Therein lies the difference. :embarrassed2:
I played Marty in a tournament once...race to 13.
It wasn't going well for him and he started to tilt.
Mid match, he realized I was doing everything to 'nurse' him.
( I think people should try to get along)
He caught himself, walked over to me and shook my hand and
said "Lets have a good match."
I had lunch with him after and steered the conversation to other things.
Some guys are all right if they don't have a cue in their hand.
I would like to see him have an epiphany, apologize to everyone in
the pool world and go back to playing the game that he loves.
pt..<..who thinks everybody loses themselves sometimes
It wasn't going well for him and he started to tilt.
Mid match, he realized I was doing everything to 'nurse' him.
( I think people should try to get along)
He caught himself, walked over to me and shook my hand and
said "Lets have a good match."
I had lunch with him after and steered the conversation to other things.
Some guys are all right if they don't have a cue in their hand.
I would like to see him have an epiphany, apologize to everyone in
the pool world and go back to playing the game that he loves.
pt..<..who thinks everybody loses themselves sometimes
Now that is funny!
Jerry;
With all due respect, I think this is very short sighted of you.
I post on az pretty much every day and the vast majority of my posts contain multiple paragraphs.
I've been meaning to get in touch with you about this for some time and, well, this looks like as good of an opportunity as any. So, what would you think about paying me say, geez, I dunno, to be honest this is a little embarrassing...how about 50 cents per word on the posts you think are meaningful, informative, entertaining, or even profound, vs. say 20 cents per word on posts deemed to have missed their mark? I won't argue at all over what posts fall into which category, this will be entirely your call.
Please let me know what you think about this.
And as for Marty, my first thought is that while I really don't like the idea of poking fun at someone who apparently is not well, it's very tough to fade genuine threats of physical harm or death.
We don't have to look very far find examples of people who have acted out on their threats like the boy at the high school in Ohio just two days ago, or the fellow, I think his name was Colin Ferguson, a few years ago who shot up a Long Island train, and the guy who did all that senseless damage in Arizona at the Gabby Gifford event, etc., etc., etc...
While on the surface we may tend to think how ridiculous and laughable all of this is, but, given the examples above, it very quickly takes on a much less funny tone and you should realize that you need to do whatever is necessary in order to keep you and yours safe.
Yes, I can imagine being threatened regularly over years would get pretty old.
Best,
Brian kc
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Holy shit...that sounds just exactly like how the real world works. Must have been a big shock.
And as for Marty, my first thought is that while I really don't like the idea of poking fun at someone who apparently is not well, it's very tough to fade genuine threats of physical harm or death.
We don't have to look very far find examples of people who have acted out on their threats like the boy at the high school in Ohio two days ago, the fellow, I think his name was Colin Ferguson, a few years ago who shot up a Long Island train, and the guy who did all that senseless damage in Arizona at the Gabby Gifford event, etc., etc., etc...
While on the surface we may tend to think how ridiculous and laughable all of this is, but, given the examples above, it very quickly takes on a much less funny tone and you should realize that you need to do whatever is necessary in order to keep you and yours safe.
Yes, I can imagine being threatened regularly over years would get pretty old.
Best,
Brian kc
One day if Marty keeps up this level of hatred either he is going to hurt someone or someone is going to hurt him. You simply can't go around threatening to put a bullet in peoples heads forever without some sort of karmic reckoning.
At least I hope you can't.
With pool's luck Marty will hit the lottery and become the new pool czar.
Now that was great what Larry did. After that move I hope he didn't come back and demand unemployment benefits. Thanks Jerry and Mike for everything you do inspite all the nonsense.
I think Marty fails to realize what a "forum" is. He thinks Mike & Jerry promote and endorse everything on this forum. Sure, they can clean up some people that get out of line, but all n all, its freedom of speech and its a place to express yourself through pool. He just doesn't get that. Its sad.
This is amazing, so if propoolplayer has a stream, can we all band together to
boycott the event.
boycott the event.
Just got this gem from Maaaaahty on Facebook:
"Your officially blocked from my fb page if u attempt any more threats to my program on ustreamor Fb I'll contact Fb legal team as well as police record as your post on azb sounds like u want physical threats to others is ok?stay away from my show and fb page officially ending all contact with your gang of thugs this will be a second time I've had to issue a police record from threats of violence from u I'd be very carefull at valley forge if u see me as I'll be reporting to police your thread on azb and how you wanna see me hurt physically being over 60 this threat is a felony be smart and go away Justin or will issue a police report let it go is my suggestion or be prosecuted for simple assult on site your bullying ways are over unless u wanna continue and settle this in a court of law.forget u ever heard my name get a life cause your bothering mine."
That's verbatim as typed in Maaaaahty's particular WALL-O-TEXT style.
Seems this was a reaction to a comment I posted on his FB page after I accepted a friend request FROM HIM. He posted some rant about CSI screwing the players in Reno on the money and I simply mentioned that if CSI made so much damn money at the thing how come they only do one a year? Seems to me if you can add $25K guaranteed and make it all back plus a profit you would do at least five or six a year right? Hell maybe one a month.
Bet that really spun his head around thinking about that one.
Alas....I now have one less friend in the world.
"Your officially blocked from my fb page if u attempt any more threats to my program on ustreamor Fb I'll contact Fb legal team as well as police record as your post on azb sounds like u want physical threats to others is ok?stay away from my show and fb page officially ending all contact with your gang of thugs this will be a second time I've had to issue a police record from threats of violence from u I'd be very carefull at valley forge if u see me as I'll be reporting to police your thread on azb and how you wanna see me hurt physically being over 60 this threat is a felony be smart and go away Justin or will issue a police report let it go is my suggestion or be prosecuted for simple assult on site your bullying ways are over unless u wanna continue and settle this in a court of law.forget u ever heard my name get a life cause your bothering mine."
That's verbatim as typed in Maaaaahty's particular WALL-O-TEXT style.
Seems this was a reaction to a comment I posted on his FB page after I accepted a friend request FROM HIM. He posted some rant about CSI screwing the players in Reno on the money and I simply mentioned that if CSI made so much damn money at the thing how come they only do one a year? Seems to me if you can add $25K guaranteed and make it all back plus a profit you would do at least five or six a year right? Hell maybe one a month.
Bet that really spun his head around thinking about that one.
Alas....I now have one less friend in the world.
True, but i think a distinction needs to be made.
Marty's behavior isn't something that was spawned by the creation of the internet.
I know you didn't say that, but i was just pointing it out for those that might think he went keyboard commando as a result of the internet.
But for those that don't know, he is and always has been, JUST as whacked in person, long before the internet came into the picture.
You just never know with that guy.
All it would take is disagreeing with him on something, or having him down in a match, and the next thing you know out of nowhere, he would explode like some big "curse-spittle-threat-i am god" bomb, that would have to be removed from the pool room.
Several times i watched him get kicked out of a place, cursing, screaming, and threatening the whole time as he was ushered to the door.
The behavior is nothing new.
I know you've seen this behavior up front and close, and I agree with you, but do you think this behavior is normal? I think the more attention that is given to him, the louder he is going to be.
The best approach is ignore, plonk, whatever term you want to use.
Violence isn't the answer with somebody who exhibits this kind of behavior. I know for some, violence is the knee-jerk reaction when they get angry, as if it solves all evils, but in this case, it is important to recognize that there is something sad going on with this man. I feel sorry for him. If anything, he needs prayers, not a punch in the mouth.
