Hatch The Shark

Just wondering why you even bother to come on a pool forum when all you do all the time is say how great snooker is and how bad pool is . Why not just go on a snooker forum you think they are so great? Just wondering that's all!

I guess you would have to read more of my posting history and not base it off this single thread.

I have been here for a LONG time grasshopper and I have been a strong proponent of changes taking place in pool that can increase it's popularity and success as a sport. For all of that time nothing changes and it is a depressing waste of huge potential IMO.

I actually like pool more then snooker and I think pool could overtake its popularity but it would take some big changes including a shift to 8-ball as the game, tightening up the pockets from what pros currently play on, and probably going back to 10-foot tables for professional competition as was the norm in the era when Greenleaf played and when Mosconi started.
 
No respct??

how do you respect dennis as a champion when he acted like that?? mike dechaine showed class by his actions alone hatchman is just a hack. i was deeply insulted AS A player to see how dennis acted. and did u hear him whe hey didnt turn the mic off?? "yeah i got this guy" only thing dennis hatch got was beat!!!
 
You guys are funny. So some of you think no one in the US watches snooker, or dare I even say plays? I don't know where you are getting your information, but check your sources as you are wrong. Most of the folks I know play pool, but there are also quite a few that enjoy snooker as well.

I watched a lot of the matches this week on a stream from the UK. These guys are the unlimate professionals, even calling fouls on themselves when the ref didn't catch it. How many times have you seen a pool player call a foul on himself? Not to mention the fact they don't make noises, squirm and move around in their seats, and all of the other moves I've seen pool players make. They stay steated, and quiet until it is their turn to play.

Don't get me wrong, I love playing pool, but all of the bullshit I see players pull, in most instances, is completely uncalled for and takes away from the sport. Sit down, shut the hell up, quit moving around like you got ant in your pants, pretend you are an adult and not some 10 year old kid, and just play.

And folks actually wonder why here in US, no one like ESPN wants to televise pool. :rolleyes:

Agree with rest of what you said, but ESPEW does sh*t job when they did show pool. I won't even watch their telecast for free! just not worth it .
 
I guess you would have to read more of my posting history and not base it off this single thread.

I have been here for a LONG time grasshopper and I have been a strong proponent of changes taking place in pool that can increase it's popularity and success as a sport. For all of that time nothing changes and it is a depressing waste of huge potential IMO.

I actually like pool more then snooker and I think pool could overtake its popularity but it would take some big changes including a shift to 8-ball as the game, tightening up the pockets from what pros currently play on, and probably going back to 10-foot tables for professional competition as was the norm in the era when Greenleaf played and when Mosconi started.

I think that 10 ft. tables and tight pockets (more than 41/4 would be big mistake. First off no pool halls are going to put ten footers in for them to play on.There are more reasons but I'm to tired now to type more TY
 
My $0.02 (send change, lol). It it what it is...I bought the PPV and enjoyed all three days of it, because I wanted to enjoy the match and support TAR in the new format.

Mission accomplished. Not hard to fade any antics, perceived, real, imagined, whatever, from the recliner. I also have a mute button and can excuse myself at anytime.

Nothing occurred that I have not seen in the poolroom or while at a tournament over the last gazillion years (yes, I'm old), at least for the viewing audience (such as me). Sure beat working on the honey-do list or watching paint dry.

Given everything, I think it turned out well and I hope TAR was able to outrun the nut so we can see more. Assuming you know anything about these two players, and I know just enough, I did not go in expecting NO ANTICS whatsoever. Again, it is what it is...so I just want to thank JCIN and all the sponsors. If you like more laid back matches, buy those if/when they pop up...

:smile:

~Razor
 
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I never post on here but what a couple of punks....both of them....scary to think anyone would want to promote these two....children act better than these two......and I got modded off the chat at one point for mentioning it......screw the mods on these sights....talk bout nut huggers.....hnut.....spanky.....can't thin of the rest....oh ya yourcall.....u guys need to police the players more and the chat less.....f#$%% off....bad business by TAR....stick to the real pros.....that is all.....for now!!!
 
I never post on here but what a couple of punks....both of them....scary to think anyone would want to promote these two....children act better than these two......and I got modded off the chat at one point for mentioning it......screw the mods on these sights....talk bout nut huggers.....hnut.....spanky.....can't thin of the rest....oh ya yourcall.....u guys need to police the players more and the chat less.....f#$%% off....bad business by TAR....stick to the real pros.....that is all.....for now!!!

LOL I wasn't even on the TAR stream
 
No, your not who I think you are...are you?

I never post on here but what a couple of punks....both of them....scary to think anyone would want to promote these two....children act better than these two......and I got modded off the chat at one point for mentioning it......screw the mods on these sights....talk bout nut huggers.....hnut.....spanky.....can't thin of the rest....oh ya yourcall.....u guys need to police the players more and the chat less.....f#$%% off....bad business by TAR....stick to the real pros.....that is all.....for now!!!
 
I never post on here but what a couple of punks....both of them....scary to think anyone would want to promote these two....children act better than these two......and I got modded off the chat at one point for mentioning it......screw the mods on these sights....talk bout nut huggers.....hnut.....spanky.....can't thin of the rest....oh ya yourcall.....u guys need to police the players more and the chat less.....f#$%% off....bad business by TAR....stick to the real pros.....that is all.....for now!!!

Hi Thomas.
 
Looks like my whole "Treat these guys like professionals, expect them to act like it and dont treat them like children" theory didnt work out so well this weekend. Yeah I am that dumb.

One thing I know for certain there will be a contract written for all future matches. In that contract will be rules of conduct backed up by fines. I dont mind guys showing emotion in the heat of the moment but tonight was just stupid and I let both guys know it. The thing is I dont think either one really understands what they did wrong. I like both guys personally but the jury is out on if either one will be back. Lot of that will depend on the feelings of the people who watched and especially the sponsors.

End of the day its my fault. I keep trying like hell to want to believe that if you do the best you can to treat people like pro's they will act like it. Doesnt seem to work out that way though.

I apologize to anyone who was offended or annoyed by the conduct. I know at several points I certainly was. I guess really disappointed is the best way to put it. Thank you to everyone who did support the match. It was a success and validated the new format to us. All the nonsense from TAR 25 will be sorted out and changes made. Thanks to the people who are behind us we can focus on things like the US Open 1Pocket and 10 Ball events next week as well as TAR 26 with Shane and Johnny at the end of the month. The ride gets rocky at times but I cant thank everyone enough for going along with us on the journey.
 
I apologize to anyone who was offended or annoyed by the conduct.

I doubt anyone blames you or expects you to apologize for the actions of two people who "should" have been over the moon just to get a chance to play a freeroll on a great table where even the loser was coming out $1000 winner with their expenses paid. What the heck else can you be expected to give the guys?

I know you talk about "keeping it in America" and not going overseas to find opponents but there are not a huge amount of guys in America who can both shoot awesome, and who act professional. Oscar, SVB (for the most part), Deuel, Morris (most of the time), Bartrum, Archer (most of the time)... now the list becomes tougher... If you are willing to include Mika and Appleton and does Hohmann live in the USA now?

I see that Chin Shun Yang is playing in the US Open 10-ball according to the action room, that guy could show people like Hatch and Dechaine a thing or two about acting professional, so can Dennis Orcullo or most of the Filipinos who have tons of fire but never disrespect their opponents. When a guy that legendary is making a trip to the USA TAR might want to jump at a chance of putting him in the box a week before his event. You might have looked into it, not sure, but if not I imagine it might have been workable to get him in a few days before his tournament, put him up in a hotel, and get him in the box against SVB or a rematch against Orcullo.

At the end of the day TAR needs to get fans to watch streams, and fans are probably more into watching top teir players playing other top teir players both sides being totally professional. I know in the Orcullo/Yang race to 60 10-ball it was not only unreal pool but both players played with 100% class both in victory and defeat. Getting twice as many people to watch the key killer matches everyone dreams about (Orcullo vs Yang vs SVB vs Wu, vs, Souquet, vs Hohmann, vs Mika, vs Chang, vs ect....).

Truly start putting on matches of the best in the world vs the best in the world and lets see where everyone really stands. Souquet played the exhibitions in the PI, he would likely take a weekend on a TAR stream playing SVB and alot of people love to watch Souquet and you and your sponsers are assured of nothing but 100% professionalism and class. Souquet vs Yang would probably sell double the PPV a match between Hatch and Mike ever will and since TAR is now putting up the prize fund you guys can cherry pick matches and check into if a player is keen on a 1 on 1 match at the TAR studio for a chance at $4000 and $1000 assured.

Enough with Hatch/Dechaine and dreams of Harriman/Schmidt which lets be honest would make this weekend look like a freaking honeymoon... get in the big guns and lets see what types of PPV the dream matches can bring as we finally start to get a guage on who is truly the best player on the planet.

Imagine this weekend as Yang vs Bustamante... that would have been epic and you would have sold boatloads more PPV's.
 
I doubt anyone blames you or expects you to apologize for the actions of two people who "should" have been over the moon just to get a chance to play a freeroll on a great table where even the loser was coming out $1000 winner with their expenses paid. What the heck else can you be expected to give the guys?

I know you talk about "keeping it in America" and not going overseas to find opponents but there are not a huge amount of guys in America who can both shoot awesome, and who act professional. Oscar, SVB (for the most part), Deuel, Morris (most of the time), Bartrum, Archer (most of the time)... now the list becomes tougher... If you are willing to include Mika and Appleton and does Hohmann live in the USA now?

I see that Chin Shun Yang is playing in the US Open 10-ball according to the action room, that guy could show people like Hatch and Dechaine a thing or two about acting professional, so can Dennis Orcullo or most of the Filipinos who have tons of fire but never disrespect their opponents. When a guy that legendary is making a trip to the USA TAR might want to jump at a chance of putting him in the box a week before his event. You might have looked into it, not sure, but if not I imagine it might have been workable to get him in a few days before his tournament, put him up in a hotel, and get him in the box against SVB or a rematch against Orcullo.

At the end of the day TAR needs to get fans to watch streams, and fans are probably more into watching top teir players playing other top teir players both sides being totally professional. I know in the Orcullo/Yang race to 60 10-ball it was not only unreal pool but both players played with 100% class both in victory and defeat. Getting twice as many people to watch the key killer matches everyone dreams about (Orcullo vs Yang vs SVB vs Wu, vs, Souquet, vs Hohmann, vs Mika, vs Chang, vs ect....).

Truly start putting on matches of the best in the world vs the best in the world and lets see where everyone really stands. Souquet played the exhibitions in the PI, he would likely take a weekend on a TAR stream playing SVB and alot of people love to watch Souquet and you and your sponsers are assured of nothing but 100% professionalism and class. Souquet vs Yang would probably sell double the PPV a match between Hatch and Mike ever will and since TAR is now putting up the prize fund you guys can cherry pick matches and check into if a player is keen on a 1 on 1 match at the TAR studio for a chance at $4000 and $1000 assured.

Enough with Hatch/Dechaine and dreams of Harriman/Schmidt which lets be honest would make this weekend look like a freaking honeymoon... get in the big guns and lets see what types of PPV the dream matches can bring as we finally start to get a guage on who is truly the best player on the planet.

Imagine this weekend as Yang vs Bustamante... that would have been epic and you would have sold boatloads more PPV's.
Few thoughts:

Yang wont sell like people think he would. How do I know? Because I couldnt pick the guy out of a line up and I bet 85% of the people on AZ couldnt either. Some people have heard the name and know hes a great player but I promise you he isnt the draw some think in this market. Asia doesnt buy anything on the internet anyway so that doesnt help.

Its hard to contact people who live on the other side of the world and speak different languages than you.

I talked to a guy who has contact with Yang last month and he does want to play action matches here. He doesnt want to do it where anyone can see it. So to me he might as well stay in Asia. Not that he would draw that huge anyway. See point #1.

I really wish putting these things together was as easy as some think.

This is pool. Common sense has nothing to do with anything.
 
I know a couple of dozen players who work on their tip and other things every time they sit down. I have also seen Hatch play a lot of times in different tournaments and I've never seen him do anything out of line.
I'm thinking this is something personal.

Bingo, Rich! Considering both players compete in close proximity to where they live, it's a good bet that maybe they've duked it out on a field of green before. Sometimes rivalries carry through to every tournament or event down the road, and when players *know* each other, having competed against each other many times, well, they know which hot button to press. :p
 
JCIN....Unfortunately American pool is being exposed for what it truly is...your probably down to 3-4 guys who are marketable...and won't embarass themselves in a TAR event.

In your podcast both Hatch and Dechaine were complaining about the lack of compensation and opportunities pool has provided for them....and then they go and embarass themselves on a live stream for 3 days.

Maybe its time you focus on bringing in the Pinoys...and the Euro's. Their alot better....and their well behaved.
 
Few thoughts:

Yang wont sell like people think he would. How do I know? Because I couldnt pick the guy out of a line up and I bet 85% of the people on AZ couldnt either. Some people have heard the name and know hes a great player but I promise you he isnt the draw some think in this market. Asia doesnt buy anything on the internet anyway so that doesnt help.

Its hard to contact people who live on the other side of the world and speak different languages than you.

I talked to a guy who has contact with Yang last month and he does want to play action matches here. He doesnt want to do it where anyone can see it. So to me he might as well stay in Asia. Not that he would draw that huge anyway. See point #1.

I really wish putting these things together was as easy as some think.

This is pool. Common sense has nothing to do with anything.



Justin,

We know (or at least I do) that this is a learning process for you.
There wouldn't be so many of us behind you if we didn't know this.
Learn from this and move on.
Keep up the good work.

I'm hoping to bump into you next weekend in Vegas......wanna talk.

Chris<------would however like to see Earl give a ton of weight to Scooter and watch the venom spew
 
Few thoughts:

Yang wont sell like people think he would. How do I know? Because I couldnt pick the guy out of a line up and I bet 85% of the people on AZ couldnt either. Some people have heard the name and know hes a great player but I promise you he isnt the draw some think in this market. Asia doesnt buy anything on the internet anyway so that doesnt help.

Its hard to contact people who live on the other side of the world and speak different languages than you.

I talked to a guy who has contact with Yang last month and he does want to play action matches here. He doesnt want to do it where anyone can see it. So to me he might as well stay in Asia. Not that he would draw that huge anyway. See point #1.

I really wish putting these things together was as easy as some think.

This is pool. Common sense has nothing to do with anything.
Hi JCIN
do you think is possible to get in touch with Evgeny Stalev and ask him to play? I know he visits the USA pretty often so I think the trip isn't a problem for him. He quit playing pool but I'm quite sure he would accept a challenge if he has a resonable advance notice. The big problem is finding him an opponent, because I believe he couldn't compete with the top players atm because he quit pool and he is playing only poker now....
He has a lot of supporters in the pool world, he is a character but he also acts professionally.
 
Who do u think I am? If u want to know anything bout just ****in ask....notsc5 or whatever or whoever u r all talking bout all the time...TAR is awesome not their fault that grown men act like babies...it appears most people on AZ r just as petty...no wonder I never post or read forums....except the for sale part

TR Olson Havre MT that's who I am *****
Anything else u wanna know don't be afraid to ask don't sit around making innuendos about.some mythical cyber stalker u guys r always fixated on....I donate to streams and buy TAR matches cuz I love the game and all who promote it.....but I always call a ****in spade a spade....bet ur black ass on that!!! Don't treat someone like a punk unless u wanna be plunked!!!

Say something Hungarian ****in say something!!!



Maga a douche táska :thumbup:
 
Perhaps some should consider that this is entertainment, the players are entertainers, and everything they do is for entertainment purposes.

This stream or video or whatever it is would get exactly zero publicity if these guys weren't "entertaining" you.

I'm just suggesting that there is motivation for these folks to "act up" for entertainment purposes.

No, I haven't and won't watch the vid/stream/whatever.

just sayin' . . .

Entertainers??????

Can you explain to me what is entertaining about watching so called professional sportsmen argue with the ref, text and generally behave badly in almost any way possible?

For me, nothing. I want to see quality control and quality shotmaking. That is what entertains me.

These guys are NOT entertainers and they have no concept of the responsibility they have to what is, in essence, a dying game.

The stream has gotten plenty of publicity, all bad. Imagine the difference if the two players had put on a masterclass for all to see, I'd buy a copy. I won't buy a copy of this. There IS such a thing as bad publicity.

If you wish to credit these guys as intentionally "acting up" for the good of the game then I commend your faith in human nature. I fear it is misplaced.

It is no coincidence that bottom end ex snooker pros are beginning to break into pool, they as a general rule have a superior attitude during marchplay, they do not waste energy on "sharking" and as a result they stay focused.

I remember almost 20 years ago seeing Alex Higgins filing a tip during a match with Danny Fowler. The referee walked over and took the file from him. He made it clear he was not finished with the tip, the referee said "your tip needs to be ready before you come out". End of incident.

Can you imagine seeing a pro snooker player with a phone during a match?

No.

The points about the conduct of Reyes are well made.

The attitude of the promoter is almost right, he hopes if he treats people like professionals and gives them the best of conditions they will act accordingly.

What he has to do is issue a set of ground rules and invite applications from top players who will follow them. One of my first would be to ensure no-one dressed like a tramp.

To go back to the snooker analogy, the show that ignited the "snooker boom" was Pot Black. This was an invitational event. For one of the series, Alex Highins, the so called saviour and biggest draw in the game was not invited due to his behaviour. That series was just as successful as the others.

The game does not need individuals for the game to survive but many of those individuals need the game for THEM to survive. They need to grow up and recognise this.

Good luck to the promoter and anyone who does anything for our games.
 
Justin,

I did not get to watch any until last night and to say the least, I thought the guys acted like fools, yes both of them. I in no way blame you or TAR as these guys are "adults" and should know better than to act that way.

It's a learning process for everyone, you'll learn what stipulations to put into matches based on guys like these two. To be honest, it just made me appreciate true professionals like Shane and Johnny even more. I'd never expect to see this type of behavior from either of them.

I'd also be surprised if either Hatch or Mike could stand a chance against Johnny or Shane. Certainly not class wise! IMHO

I'm happy to support TAR, you guys are growing and doing great things for the sport. I actually quit watching this one at intermission but plan to watch the rest today while at "work" if time permits.

I still appreciate all that you do for this game that I love.

Peace, JoeyK
 
Justin,

I did not get to watch any until last night and to say the least, I thought the guys acted like fools, yes both of them. I in no way blame you or TAR as these guys are "adults" and should know better than to act that way.

It's a learning process for everyone, you'll learn what stipulations to put into matches based on guys like these two. To be honest, it just made me appreciate true professionals like Shane and Johnny even more. I'd never expect to see this type of behavior from either of them.

I'd also be surprised if either Hatch or Mike could stand a chance against Johnny or Shane. Certainly not class wise! IMHO

I'm happy to support TAR, you guys are growing and doing great things for the sport. I actually quit watching this one at intermission but plan to watch the rest today while at "work" if time permits.

I still appreciate all that you do for this game that I love.

Peace, JoeyK
 
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