AZ member screwed by Bill Stroud of Josswest

[mikeyfrost]

as per our pm stips, you got action!

I got a good feeling about this one. :smile:

good luck!

best,
brian kc

If you bet again you should be able to post all you want since both of yall are. I personally think Bill will never build the cue out of pure spite, dont even think he could be paid to build it.

 

[ribdoner]

If you bet again you should be able to post all you want since both of yall are. I personally think Bill will never build the cue out of pure spite, dont even think he could be paid to build it.

smart $$$ says he'll commission some chinese plagiarist...

 

[Island Drive]

All I wanna know is, how long did you give Bill to produce the cue before you lynched him?

Very good point, and Billy, I'm sorry I got caught up in all this whatever. If I ever told someone that I'd do something for them its ONLY between that person and I. Tossing this out on a open forum is not the way to go, in fact he may decide to change his mind because of it. I don't how long it would take to make a cue like this, but if I was getting it for free, I wouldn't say a word, and anyone that asked I'd say, ''its none of your business''.
Billy comes from a generation when doctors would visit your home when you were sick, nowadays people think everything is just a click away, doesn't work like that in the real world of cue making. It'll either happen or it won't, and its NOBODYS business but the two involved.
Theres so much negativity in the news and everywhere, its easy to jump on this wagon because the negative mind pump is already primed by the media.
I was watching a tv forum where they asked questions about how you and others from the middle east percieve our country, almost everyone in the forum said the media in the US only protrays the negativity, because thats what sells and this tread is proof of that.

On the news a few yrs back, the oldest woman in the world (114) was asked what was the key to her longevity, she said............

''TEND TO YOUR OWN BUSINESS''
It made sense then, as it does now.

 

[iba7467]

...its ONLY between that person and I. Tossing this out on a open forum is not the way to go, in fact he may decide to change his mind because of it.
...
It'll either happen or it won't, and its NOBODYS business but the two involved.
...
''TEND TO YOUR OWN BUSINESS''
It made sense then, as it does now.

The point is that Bill Stroud made it everyone's business when he started a PUBLIC competition with a PUBLIC proclamation and even allowed the public to vote on the winner.

 

[Kickin' Chicken]

Very good point, and Billy, I'm sorry I got caught up in all this whatever. If I ever told someone that I'd do something for them its ONLY between that person and I. Tossing this out on a open forum is not the way to go, in fact he may decide to change his mind because of it. I don't how long it would take to make a cue like this, but if I was getting it for free, I wouldn't say a word, and anyone that asked I'd say, ''its none of your business''.
Billy comes from a generation when doctors would visit your home when you were sick, nowadays people think everything is just a click away, doesn't work like that in the real world of cue making. It'll either happen or it won't, and its NOBODYS business but the two involved.
Theres so much negativity in the news and everywhere, its easy to jump on this wagon because the negative mind pump is already primed by the media.
I was watching a tv forum where they asked questions about how you and others from the middle east percieve our country, almost everyone in the forum said the media in the US only protrays the negativity, because thats what sells and this tread is proof of that.

On the news a few yrs back, the oldest woman in the world (114) was asked what was the key to her longevity, she said............

''TEND TO YOUR OWN BUSINESS''
It made sense then, as it does now.

Hi Bill;

To your first comment that I highlited in blue, this reminds me of the many small claims court cases like, for instance, we see on shows like Judge Judy where defendants say 'I was gonna pay but he kept harrassing me for the money and that's why I didn't pay. He was even calling me at my job.' Hello, knucklehead, you owed him money and you weren't making good!

If Bill Stroud were to change his mind about making the DYD cue because some people (myself def included) have called him out on why it's taking so long, well, that would be just as weak as the Judge Judy case examples provided above.

Three things that should not be overlooked, imo.

1. Bill publicly stated that any cuemaker should be able to complete a 4 point cue in 8 weeks. The DYD cue is not basic but we're over 1 1/2 years now and Bill isn't providing anyone, including the winner, with any hopeful updates.

2. Bill has decided to dedicate a lot of his time to playing tournament pool while he has unfinished biz with his contest winner. I think it is really lousy to tune in to ustream and see Bill playing knowing how he's stringing mhaimi on. In a word, it's disrespectful.

3. This goes to your second comment highlited in blue. I think that since Bill chose to hold this monumental contest here on this public forum, involving more that 250 az'ers, then it's no way just between him and the winner.

All of this of course is just my opinion.

Best,
brian kc

 

[Scott Lee]

I'm in agreement with Bill Meacham on this. It is between the cuemaker and the contest winner...nobody else's business. You started this thread, not the contest winner. He has not said a word...and if I were him I wouldn't touch this thread with a 10 foot pole. Bill Stroud's pedigree in the cuemaking world is pretty stellar, and long lived. If the cue is made, it will be made on his timetable, and nobody can (or should) change that.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

The point is that Bill Stroud made it everyone's business when he started a PUBLIC competition with a PUBLIC proclamation and even allowed the public to vote on the winner.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

I'm in agreement with Bill Meacham on this. It is between the cuemaker and the contest winner...nobody else's business. You started this thread, not the contest winner. He has not said a word...and if I were him I wouldn't touch this thread with a 10 foot pole. Bill Stroud's pedigree in the cuemaking world is pretty stellar, and long lived. If the cue is made, it will be made on his timetable, and nobody can (or should) change that.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

I respectfully disagree. It should be made as if the winner paid for the cue w/ cash. If you're donating something, anything, you should always treat that entity as a paying client. That's like owning a restaurant and donating food to the homeless shelter -- and delivering slop half-cooked food (because hell w/ it -- they ain't paying anyways). They should get the best-tasting and timely meal your kitchen can put out, even though they're not paying.

However, based on a few posts in this thread, even paying up-front in cash doesn't necessarily get a BS cue made.

 

[Kickin' Chicken]

I'm in agreement with Bill Meacham on this. It is between the cuemaker and the contest winner...nobody else's business. You started this thread, not the contest winner. He has not said a word...and if I were him I wouldn't touch this thread with a 10 foot pole. Bill Stroud's pedigree in the cuemaking world is pretty stellar, and long lived. If the cue is made, it will be made on his timetable, and nobody can (or should) change that.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Scott;

You're definitely a smart guy and so you must already have a good idea on why the winner is not weighing in publicly. :wink:

best,
brian kc

 

[iba7467]

I'm in agreement with Bill Meacham on this. It is between the cuemaker and the contest winner...nobody else's business. You started this thread, not the contest winner. He has not said a word...and if I were him I wouldn't touch this thread with a 10 foot pole. Bill Stroud's pedigree in the cuemaking world is pretty stellar, and long lived. If the cue is made, it will be made on his timetable, and nobody can (or should) change that.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

I would like to hold a pool extravaganza. I intend to pay all expenses. I would like you and every other instructor here to come to my pool room. Also all professional players are encouraged to come as well. I will be catering the event and covering all costs for the instructors and pros. This will be held March 12, 2013. Tell all your friends and make your arrangements now.

Now if I hype this event up and you put your time and effort in to preparation. You prepare lesson plans and maybe even book flights. Now I continue to encourage everyone's participation. Finally the day comes and everyone comes to the pool room expecting something and they see a FOR SALE sign on the door. Are you angry now? Should everyone be angry?

We may just have to agree to disagree, but I cannot see how people do not feel this tarnishes Bill's reputation. It is now way past the time frame of "maybe he's busy" or "he'll get to it" and yet people still take up for him. No one is likely to do anything about it legally or physically but it is a shame that his word means nothing and so many people feel that is alright.

 

[watchez]

The point is, whether he needed it or not, Bill Stroud used this site to glorify himself with the offer to build a cue for the design winner. When he did so, it became a matter beyond him versus a customer.

To those that are saying that Bill may now decide to never build the cue because of what is being said in this thread - get real. He hasn't even started to build it yet so this will do no harm.

There have been many a great and respected list of people in this world - inside and outside of pool - that went sour later in life. It is a shame that Bill Stroud thinks so little of his own reputation that he fails to respond to this or other threads or respond to the winner with a new timeframe. It is also a shame that this shows he had little respect for the customers that loved his work through out the years. It all boils down to simple respect from one human being to another, of which Bill is showing none. Those of you that are blinded by his inlays and points just can't see it and probably never will.

 

[beetle]

I'm just glad I didn't waste my time putting together a design!

 

[Island Drive]

It's none of our business............

 

[champ2107]

if my name can be up on a sticky on this board for having an informed opinion and defending it. This bill guy is fair game, send me a few thousand, i will get you a cue a few years from now or when ever i feel like it or maybe not

 

[Blue Hog ridr]

You're correct, in a way it is none of our business.

But look at it this way, whether we read the news from purchasing a news paper or read it on the web, we read, form an opinion and are free to discuss the daily news with our family, friends, co workers etc.

Essentially the same has happened here. Once it becomes public, we are free to dissect it any way we see fit.

I would be inclined to believe that the winner is keeping his mouth shut for a reason. Probably hoping that he will eventually get his reward but not wanting Bill to say, "why, you ingrate, now for sure you're not getting your cue". Giving Bill the excuse to not do what he probably has no intention of doing anyway.

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

NEXT we will
be ASKING the
MAGIC 8 BALL.

Will the Winner
Get their CUE??​

 

[LAlouie]

I respectfully disagree. It should be made as if the winner paid for the cue w/ cash. If you're donating something, anything, you should always treat that entity as a paying client. That's like owning a restaurant and donating food to the homeless shelter -- and delivering slop half-cooked food (because hell w/ it -- they ain't paying anyways). They should get the best-tasting and timely meal your kitchen can put out, even though they're not paying.

However, based on a few posts in this thread, even paying up-front in cash doesn't necessarily get a BS cue made.

Bad analogy. We're not discussing the quality of a Stroud cue.

 

[Scott Lee]

iba7467...Apples and oranges here. Nobody is putting up any money (or buying plane tickets or motel rooms). The only thing anyone in this contest put up, was their time to submit a design. Is that worthless? No. I certainly agree with you in principle, that a long time has passed. That said, I still believe it is between BS and mhaimi (notice how he has not posted in this thread...there's probably a reason, like Brian said).

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

I would like to hold a pool extravaganza. I intend to pay all expenses. I would like you and every other instructor here to come to my pool room. Also all professional players are encouraged to come as well. I will be catering the event and covering all costs for the instructors and pros. This will be held March 12, 2013. Tell all your friends and make your arrangements now.

Now if I hype this event up and you put your time and effort in to preparation. You prepare lesson plans and maybe even book flights. Now I continue to encourage everyone's participation. Finally the day comes and everyone comes to the pool room expecting something and they see a FOR SALE sign on the door. Are you angry now? Should everyone be angry?

We may just have to agree to disagree, but I cannot see how people do not feel this tarnishes Bill's reputation. It is now way past the time frame of "maybe he's busy" or "he'll get to it" and yet people still take up for him. No one is likely to do anything about it legally or physically but it is a shame that his word means nothing and so many people feel that is alright.

 

[JumpinJoe]

I'm in agreement with Bill Meacham on this. It is between the cuemaker and the contest winner...nobody else's business. You started this thread, not the contest winner. He has not said a word...and if I were him I wouldn't touch this thread with a 10 foot pole. Bill Stroud's pedigree in the cuemaking world is pretty stellar, and long lived. If the cue is made, it will be made on his timetable, and nobody can (or should) change that.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

I like how all the members whom are supposedly credible and are so called big in the billiard buisness always side with someone that pulls a complete BULLCHIT move.
I dont care what hes done before, this is bullchit.

 

[cardiac kid]

I like how all the members whom are supposedly credible and are so called big in the billiard buisness always side with someone that pulls a complete BULLCHIT move.
I dont care what hes done before, this is bullchit.

Joe,

Kind of put some of these guys into the same group who jumped to Tony Annigoni's defense. These are honorable men who made a mistake. Bull$hit!

Earlier I asked the question "who owns the designs sent to BS". Started another storm with that. Seems some of us want to defend the indefensible at any cost.

Sorry, broke my word in adding to this thread. Said I was done. I'll be quiet now.

Lyn

 

[jalapus logan]

iba7467...Apples and oranges here. Nobody is putting up any money (or buying plane tickets or motel rooms). The only thing anyone in this contest put up, was their time to submit a design. Is that worthless? No. I certainly agree with you in principle, that a long time has passed. That said, I still believe it is between BS and mhaimi (notice how he has not posted in this thread...there's probably a reason, like Brian said).

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Some things are more important than money. Reputation is one of these. Sadly, some folks don't understand this.

Note: I'm not saying that you're opinion is wrong, nor am I judging Mr. Stroud (though the situation is looking bad for his character, imo...)