So is there footage of the famous 1990's Challenge of Champions dumping scandal?

KoolKat9Lives said:
Thanks Jay. Interesting that each bet was maxed at $200. I am not sure if they do that with other sports book bets. I wonder if they maxed it because they foresaw the possibility of too much $ influencing play.
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AKA: Sticking a toe in the water. And the book did not like how it felt!
 
jay helfert said:
The maximum bet was $200 and the players could not buy tickets. That did not stop them from sending someone else to the window for them. Each winning $200 ticket paid $4200 and I think there were only eleven sold on Lebron before they changed the line to 9-1. The Mirage took a hit for 40K but when I discussed it with the head of the Sports Book, he laughed it off, saying it was small bananas. But they never made a line again in subsequent Challenges held there in future years.
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It's amazing how the players will shoot themselves in the foot and wonder why their foot hurts.
 
peteypooldude said:
That probably did screw things up for pool.
Hope their proud of theirselves
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Exactly!!! People wanting to air this video on this board is just a bad idea in general. Sweep that crap under the rug and move on. Nothing but bad things can happen if this is shown or made public. Anybody saying any differently is somebody that is disrespecting our sport :mad:

Yeah it happened many moons ago and crap like this has nearly destoryed pool all together!! Lets move forward now ----------->
 
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This what's wrong with pool

LOL

In all seriousness.... big deal. Every major sport has had match fixing scandals with millions$ involved. They're all still alive and well on tv.

The casinos get beat out of 40k/day prob and don't even know it.

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RunoutJJ said:
Exactly!!! People wanting to air this video on this board is just a bad idea in general. Sweep that crap under the rug and move on. Nothing but bad things can happen if this is shown or made public. Anybody saying any differently is somebody that is disrespecting our sport :mad:

Yeah it happened many moons ago and crap like this has nearly destoryed pool all together!! Lets move forward not ----------->
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Way better to respect the sport by hiding things. Hiding is one of the highest forms of respect.

Some would say that hiding this things that "nearly destroyed pool" would only serve to further the actions of those who would serve to destroy, and that outting these actions into the clear light of day is what makes things operate in a way that can't be destroyed.

Me, I figure sweeping stuff under the rug only serves to make a lump on the rug.

Thanks

Kevin
 
Jay you were not lied to: $40k is small potatoes for a casino. For a Vegas casino? Lol, they lose double that a month in American express chargebacks.

Still interested in seeing the final match if anyone would upload it somewhere.
 
kvinbrwr said:
Way better to respect the sport by hiding things. Hiding is one of the highest forms of respect.

Some would say that hiding this things that "nearly destroyed pool" would only serve to further the actions of those who would serve to destroy, and that outting these actions into the clear light of day is what makes things operate in a way that can't be destroyed.

Me, I figure sweeping stuff under the rug only serves to make a lump on the rug.

Thanks

Kevin
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Its always gonna be there so yeah lets move on HENCE sweep it under the rug. You're so metaphorical about it it makes me laugh. Its this kinda shit that is screwing everything up and people say... "Hey guys.... Somebody upload this to youtube so anybody that never knew about about this can see it..."

Yeah that would do wonders for everybody :rolleyes:


Point is MOVE ON!! Its always gonna be known that this happened but bringing anything up, no matter what it is, in a negative light is not good.
 
Tennesseejoe...The Challenge of Champions is not a "tournament" per se. It is a made-for-tv event, inviting only 8 players to play off in single elimination. They play short races, two sets, and a 1-game 'sudden death' game, in the event of a tie. It is supposedly winner take all, but no doubt there were savers among the players.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Tennesseejoe said:
Who were the final 8 players in that tournament?
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Because a YouTube video of an obscure match from twenty years ago will scare people off from playing pool or getting into pool.

"oh my goodness, those evil rapscallions fixed a billiard match twenty years ago! How dare those unwashed vulgar proles debase a fine gentrified sport! Well, off to play badminton."
 
sjm said:
Some historical perspective may be important here. The Mirage, the host hotel of the event, was quite new and wanted to be "the new Caesars Palace," and one aspect in which this had to happen was in hosting sporting events. Another was sports betting.

In 1990, James Buster Douglas, to the amazement of all, knocked out Mike Tyson to win the heavyweight championship. The Mirage's first big roll of the dice was to purchase the rights to Douglas' next two fights. Pool was another beneficiary of the spending binge of The Mirage, as the Challenge of Champions was to be staged at the then state-of-the-art hotel. The Mirage made the event bettable in its own sports book, making the event more visible to its customers.

The dump, however, cost pool its shot to be on the permanent slate at a thriving new hotel in Vegas and to become one of the bettable events at one of the nation's most prominent sports books.

The image of pool and of those who play it professionally took a big hit that day and when a giant of the sports betting industry took a financial hit, the word got out pretty quickly.

In the world of finance, what happened at the 1991 Challenge of Champions is called insider trading, and those who willfully participated in the dump disgraced the game.
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Good post and one of the few in this thread that I respect
 
Spider1 said:
Because a YouTube video of an obscure match from twenty years ago will scare people off from playing pool or getting into pool.

"oh my goodness, those evil rapscallions fixed a billiard match twenty years ago! How dare those unwashed vulgar proles debase a fine gentrified sport! Well, off to play badminton."
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"Its this kinda shit that is screwing everything up"

LOL

Gotta guess how many less tickets have been sold to baseball games because of all the movies bout the 1919 Sox?

Please

Thanks

Kevin
 
RunoutJJ said:
Its always gonna be there so yeah lets move on HENCE sweep it under the rug. You're so metaphorical about it it makes me laugh. Its this kinda shit that is screwing everything up and people say... "Hey guys.... Somebody upload this to youtube so anybody that never knew about about this can see it..."

Yeah that would do wonders for everybody :rolleyes:


Point is MOVE ON!! Its always gonna be known that this happened but bringing anything up, no matter what it is, in a negative light is not good.
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Its not talking about it that screws everything up, its doing it that screws everything up. Maybe talking about it would inspire an environment where less people want to do it. If you think sponsors want to be involved in a sport that is fixed by the players and yet bills itself as sport rather than entertainment you are wrong. If you think that ignoring or hiding fixing in pool is good for the game, you are wrong again.

Thanks

Kevin
 
Scott Lee said:
Tennesseejoe...The Challenge of Champions is not a "tournament" per se. It is a made-for-tv event, inviting only 8 players to play off in single elimination. They play sort races, two sets, and a 1-game 'sudden death' game, in the event of a tie. It is supposedly winner take all, but no doubt there were savers among the players.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
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Thanks Scott. Great response. So Earl was not in the pact or should I say pack?
 
If I had the video I would share it with you guys. It is an important part of pool's history and should be available to watch. Holding it hostage is a d bag move IMO
 
uh huh

Spider1 said:
Because a YouTube video of an obscure match from twenty years ago will scare people off from playing pool or getting into pool.

"oh my goodness, those evil rapscallions fixed a billiard match twenty years ago! How dare those unwashed vulgar proles debase a fine gentrified sport! Well, off to play badminton."
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Re: showing the video on You Tube..........
I fail to see how the general populace other than pool players would even know that the video shows somebody purportedly "dumping"...
 
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