So is there footage of the famous 1990's Challenge of Champions dumping scandal?
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YOUTUBE LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINK!!!!!!
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The World Series was fixed. Soccer was fixed. Basketball refs were corrupt. Tennis matches were fixed. Snooker matches were fixed. Boxing was fixed. Poker was fixed.
Those sports are doing just fine. Pool was ruined when promoters failed to make it fun to the average joe and marketable. End of story.
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Those sports are doing just fine. Pool was ruined when promoters failed to make it fun to the average joe and marketable. End of story.
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I finally received my dvd from eBay and watched it. Good footage from some great players. I think LeBron could have won it earlier in the match but it looked to ME like he botched a shot purposely. And obviously when they were both on the hill, they both seemed to have missed very easy 8 ball shots letting LeBron take it. He ran around like a little kid on Christmas after he made the winning shot. On a few misses by Buddy Hall in the last rack, he didn't have his usual disappointment in his expression as he did earlier in the tournament. Also when LeBron was interviewed after the quarter finals he said explicitly " I'm gonna win that 50,000!"........ to me it looked a bit fishy from the beginning. YMMV
Copies are available......
Copies are available......
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Not only you got the goods my friend, you got the balls also, i cant believe not 1 player didnt take up your offer by now, they must all know something some of us dont!
Pool wasn't "ruined" but it does need to be "freshened up a bit," to make it "fun"
This a true statement. If pool had the staff these other top level sports have for 3 months you would see a dramatic difference in the presentation. Professional TV Producers would identify what factors are interesting, what are not and how they need to be "tweaked".
The fact of the matter is the quality of production and expertice has actually went down over the last 20 years. This is not true in Soccer, Basketball, Tennis, Snooker, and Boxing. These "sports" are actually just entertainment vehicles used to promote that particular sport, the athletes involved and the products that use it {the particular sport} for advertising and marketing.
Pool wasn't "ruined" but it does need to be "freshened up a bit," to make it "fun for the average Joe and marketable." 'The Story is the Teacher'
This a true statement. If pool had the staff these other top level sports have for 3 months you would see a dramatic difference in the presentation. Professional TV Producers would identify what factors are interesting, what are not and how they need to be "tweaked".
The fact of the matter is the quality of production and expertice has actually went down over the last 20 years. This is not true in Soccer, Basketball, Tennis, Snooker, and Boxing. These "sports" are actually just entertainment vehicles used to promote that particular sport, the athletes involved and the products that use it {the particular sport} for advertising and marketing.
Pool wasn't "ruined" but it does need to be "freshened up a bit," to make it "fun for the average Joe and marketable." 'The Story is the Teacher'
CJ...I hope you're talking about ESPN (although I'd still disagree). Otherwise it sounds like you're dissing the great work that JCIN does with the TAR productions...which is just as wrong.
Scott Lee
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Scott Lee
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Basically that youtube link is going to keep me coming back and checking this thread for the next few months/weeks/years...
which page was that link on?!!?!?!?
Frustratingly, it has yet to appear.
(hence why I'm going to keep coming back to check and see if it's been posted)
i knew what you were saying...Frustratingly, it has yet to appear.
(hence why I'm going to keep coming back to check and see if it's been posted)
There are two people offering the dvd's for sale on this thread, for about $10.... Didn't all of you order them yet?
I have to strongly disagree here.
How many TAR matches have you seen? I probably bought about half of them since they started. I think if it wasn't' for the live chat, and the action room bets, many would quickly lose interest watching them.
20 years ago, the people producing videotaped pool events were professional TV people, and Accustats. The TV people had all the right cameras, and knew how to make a production interesting. Hell, they even had the occasional interesting tidbit about a player during the program. What they didn't know was the game of pool, so in some of the early broadcasts, they were showing the wrong thing on the table, such as the camera following the CB around the table after a shot.
The Accustats people were pool nuts, but slowly learning about the production side.
Today, Accustats has gotten very good on the production side, and the professional TV side is nonexistent for the most part.
But the TAR side, along with the other relatively new streamers, is like Accustats was 20 years ago. They are mostly a single or maybe two static cameras, and a guy on the mike that is often mumbling about stuff that has nothing to do with the match. There is almost zero effort to make the program exciting by offering background on the players. The matches are just boring static camera views of the table from overhead, for the most part. I don't believe I've yet to even see a telestrator on any of the streamers.
I'm not knocking TAR, it is for the pool fanatic, like we are. But to say their production value is better than what espn did 20 years ago, imo, means you didn't see many of their matches. On the positive side, almost every TAR match I have seen has increased in production value, as the years have gone on.
Pool matches are always going to be boring. Its showcasing the players that makes it interesting. IMO, today's streamers just show the match. They don't connect us with the players. That's fine for us fanatics, who will watch any and every pool match available, but it does nothing to build a new fan base.
There is definitely some truth in what you say about pool's failure to deliver the right product to the average Joe.
Nonetheless, pool was fixed in its inaugural session as a legally bettable sport in America. This is in no way comparable to the fact that most sports have, on rare occasion, suffered from fixing scandals. You never get a second chance to make a first impression, and this fix took pool off the map as a bettable sport.
Yes, it still stings and those who suggest that no damage was done are mistaken.
The Mosconi Cup is still the best available
The subject was "professional TV production".... streaming video production is a different category, it wasn't around 20 years ago.
The Mosconi Cup is still the best available, and it hasn't changed much in 18 years (when I played in 96 the production was more elaborate, especially with the introductions {smoke machines/intell.lighting} and of course "Sid Waddell"). I have a feeling that's about to change this coming year.
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The subject was "professional TV production".... streaming video production is a different category, it wasn't around 20 years ago.
The Mosconi Cup is still the best available, and it hasn't changed much in 18 years (when I played in 96 the production was more elaborate, especially with the introductions {smoke machines/intell.lighting} and of course "Sid Waddell"). I have a feeling that's about to change this coming year.
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