Old Guy KO At The Pool Hall

As long as punchee gets up he's subject to gettin popped

Coulda/shoulda said he was "done"

Got into with an idiot f*$ded up on PCP. Knocked him down 8 to 10 times and he kept gettin up and comin for more, broke my damn hand.

There are repercussions to our actions
 
I had a guy go off on me many years ago for no reason other than he was nuts. At one point he grabbed my arm so I punched him in the face, as he went down he pulled my arm over the back of a high backed bar stool and wouldn't let go.

I thought he going to rip my arm out of the socket. I finally got the bar stool out of the way and we started fighting and rolling around on the bar floor. We ended up under a pool table flailing away - I ended up getting the better of him.

My shoulder still hurts and my arm goes numb from time to time. I never go out of my way to fight, in fact I go out of my way to avoid them but this guy gave me no chance to get out of it.
 
I think a lot of people are confused on what lawful self defense entails...

Self defense laws vary from state to state; however, almost no states require someone to attck you first to use justifiable self defense. In this case, it is in Alabama and the following statute would apply.


Section 13A-3-23
Use of force in defense of a person.
(a) A person is justified in using physical force upon another person in order to defend himself or a third person from what he reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of unlawful physical force by that other person, and he may use a degree of force which he reasonably believes to be necessary for the purpose.

"I think some might attempt to argue that the following section could apply as well."

(c) Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (a), a person is not justified in using physical force if:

(2) He was the initial aggressor, except that his use of physical force upon another person under the circumstances is justifiable if he withdraws from the encounter and effectively communicates to the other person his intent to do so, but the latter nevertheless continues or threatens the use of unlawful physical force.


If you try to argue that he was the initial aggressor, although I would say that the other person was the initial aggressor (physical violence is NOT necessary in order to be considered the aggressor), I would argue that he tried to withdraw from the encounter and the punchee further pursued aggressive action.

You do NOT have to verbalise a threat of unlawful physical force in order for there to BE a threat of unlawful physical force.

Also, the punchee could have been guilty of the crime of menacing.

13A-6-23 - Menacing.
(a) A person commits the crime of menacing if, by physical action, he intentionally places or attempts to place another person in fear of imminent serious physical injury.

(b) Menacing is a Class B misdemeanor.

This would be enough cause to justify initiating physical force in self defense...

Jaden
 
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my encounter

Seems like forever ago, there was a bar with a barbox called Logan's Lounge. It was a fun hangout for me in my mid-twenties and on one particular Saturday night where it was typical for there to be a 10-deep waiting list on the chalkboard to play, I was doing real good holding on to the table.

Some guys would play for five bucks but most played for a drink. With the games going pretty fast on the barbox, there became quite a backlog of drinks owed to me which I was able to distribute to friends, and yes, the ladies, as I pleased. :cool:

There was one tall and very handsome young man who was pretty cocky and when he played me I can never remember if I ran out or maybe he got one turn at the table before I won. Grudgingly, he added his buck, or whatever it cost back then, to my backup beers list. He clearly wasn't happy about it.

He put his name back up on the chalkboard and went back by the bar. The way it was situated in there, one section of the bar was maybe 8 or 9 feet from the head of the table and he decided to stand there and as I said, it was Sat night and there was good activity by all the bar stools and at times it could crowd you a little when shooting from that side.

Well, this fellow, whom I later learned his name was Tommy, he decides he's gonna be a dick and almost every time I have a shot from the headrail going down table, he plants himself in my way with his back to the table like he's unaware of it and so a few times I had to ask him to give me room and, again, grudgingly and s-l-o-w-l-y, he would comply. It was real obvious he was doing this to break my balls.

Fueled by maybe 6 Millers and a couple of shots of tequila, and after about three or four of those crappy "excuse me, please" encounters, I decided I'd had enough of him and his bullshit.

This guy is about 6' 2" and goes maybe 190 and I'm 5' 10" and also about 190. I'm just a year or two out of the army and still feel like I can pull telephone poles out of the ground - the tequila helped with that feeling, too, I'm sure. :rolleyes:

It's time for me to break again and there he is with his behind backed up to within a foot of the table and it's clear to *everyone* that this is being done on purpose and so this time I dispensed with the pleasant requests and I moved him out of my way with my left forearm and had the barcue in my right hand.

As expected, he didn't like that one bit and started jawing with me and before you could say 'I'm gonna rip your eyes out and replace them with your nuts' it was 'fight-on'.

And within 6 or 7 seconds I'd been punched two or three times in the head, hard. I thought to myself, 'this ain't gonna be fun'. Or maybe it was just, 'this freakin' hurts'.

I'd been in a few fights in my life and knew from experience that boxing was never my strong suit and, obviously, this guy was very skilled at it. For me to have any chance at all I needed to run through a couple more of those potential haymakers and grab onto him where I thought I'd have my best shot. And, so I did.

We locked onto each other and began the death rolls on the pool table, the patron tables, then eventually the floor, both of us sneaking in digs and punches whenever and wherever we could. This continued for a minute or two, we somehow made it back to our feet and my nose was bleeding pretty good but like the true knucklehead I was, I charged him to begin round two. This was turning into one of those saloon-type fights right out of the old-west.

The head bartender, Tolly, was a woman for whom I had much respect. She was a good looking older gal with that over-permed platinum blonde hair that looked almost as if it could break if she tried to comb it. She was shrieking as she watched the place getting tore up a little. Most of the stuff there was indestructable but some glasses and a couple of things on the wall were broken. Tolly, like any responsible manager would do, called the police.

Within 30 seconds the sound of the approaching sirens brought Tommy and me back to our feet and, somewhat, back to our senses.

We both went up to Tolly asking for mercy and the possibility of settling up with her for the little bit of damage which she agreed to.

Turns out Tommy had some issues with the cops and so he was real keen on not getting arrested and neither was I so we agreed to let the cops know that everything was cool. The cops came inside and there we stood, both with torn shirts, pretty scratched up, and me with my bloodied nose, but somehow we were able to convince them that we were good and there would be no further problems.

They left, we got cleaned up and even had a beer together. :smile:

This was one of those situations that us guys occasionally experience during our lives where after having a fist fight, the combatants gain a little respect for each other and, in some cases, even become friends. I won't say we became good friends but I did see him a number of times there after and we were friendly towards one another.

And, oh yeah, turns out Tommy was a golden gloves boxer but I don't think he was a champion.

But you'd have a tough time convincing my nose that he wasn't. :o :wink:

best,
brian kc
 
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Seems like forever ago, there was a bar with a barbox called Logan's Lounge. It was a fun hangout for me in my mid-twenties and on one particular Saturday night where it was typical for there to be a 10-deep waiting list on the chalkboard to play, I was doing real good holding on to the table.

Some guys would play for five bucks but most played for a drink. With the games going pretty fast on the barbox, there became quite a backlog of drinks owed to me which I was able to distribute to friends, and yes, the ladies, as I pleased. :cool:

There was one tall and very handsome young man who was pretty cocky and when he played me I can never remember if I ran out or maybe he got one turn at the table before I won. Grudgingly, he added his buck, or whatever it cost back then, to my backup beers list. He clearly wasn't happy about it.

He put his name back up on the chalkboard and went back by the bar. The way it was situated in there, one section of the bar was maybe 8 or 9 feet from the head of the table and he decided to stand there and as I said, it was Sat night and there was good activity by all the bar stools and at times it could crowd you a little when shooting from that side.

Well, this fellow, whom I later learned his name was Tommy, he decides he's gonna be a dick and almost every time I have a shot from the headrail going down table, he plants himself in my way with his back to the table like he's unaware of it and so a few times I had to ask him to give me room and, again, grudgingly and s-l-o-w-l-y, he would comply. It was real obvious he was doing this to break my balls.

Fueled by maybe 6 Millers and a couple of shots of tequila, and after about three or four of those crappy "excuse me, please" encounters, I decided I'd had enough of him and his bullshit.

This guy is about 6' 2" and goes maybe 190 and I'm 5' 10" and also about 190. I'm just a year or two out of the army and still feel like I can pull telephone poles out of the ground - the tequila helped with that feeling, too, I'm sure. :rolleyes:

It's time for me to break again and there he is with his behind backed up to within a foot of the table and it's clear to *everyone* that this is being done on purpose and so this time I dispensed with the pleasant requests and I moved him out of my way with my left forearm and had the barcue in my right hand.

As expected, he didn't like that one bit and started jawing with me and before you could say 'I'm gonna rip your eyes out and replace them with your nuts' it was 'fight-on'.

And within 6 or 7 seconds I'd been punched two or three times in the head, hard. I thought to myself, 'this ain't gonna be fun'. Or maybe it was just, 'this freakin' hurts'.

I'd been in a few fights in my life and knew from experience that boxing was never my strong suit and, obviously, this guy was very skilled at it. For me to have any chance at all I needed to run through a couple more of those potential haymakers and grab onto him where I thought I'd have my best shot. And, so I did.

We locked onto each other and began the death rolls on the pool table, the patron tables, then eventually the floor, both of us sneaking in digs and punches whenever and wherever we could. This continued for a minute or two, we somehow made it back to our feet and my nose was bleeding pretty good but like the true knucklehead I was, I charged him to begin round two. This was turning into one of those saloon-type fights right out of the old-west.

The head bartender, Tolly, was a woman for whom I had much respect. She was a good looking older gal with that over-permed platinum blonde hair that looked almost as if it could break if she tried to comb it. She was shrieking as she watched the place getting tore up a little. Most of the stuff there was indestructable but some glasses and a couple of things on the wall were broken. Tolly, like any responsible manager would do, called the police.

Within 30 seconds the sound of the approaching sirens brought Tommy and me back to our feet and, somewhat, back to our senses.

We both went up to Tolly asking for mercy and the possibility of settling up with her for the little bit of damage which she agreed to.

Turns out Tommy had some issues with the cops and so he was real keen on not getting arrested and neither was I so we agreed to let the cops know that everything was cool. The cops came inside and there we stood, both with torn shirts, pretty scratched up, and me with my bloodied nose, but somehow we were able to convince them that we were good and there would be no further problems.

They left, we got cleaned up and even had a beer together. :smile:

This was one of those situations that us guys occasionally experience during our lives where after having a fist fight, the combatants gain a little respect for each other and, in some cases, even become friends. I won't say we became good friends but I did see him a number of times there after and we were friendly towards one another.

And, oh yeah, turns out Tommy was a golden gloves boxer but I don't think he was a champion.

But you'd have a tough time convincing my nose that he wasn't. :o :wink:

best,
brian kc

Thats the way it used to be, get in a fight , clean up and then have much respect while drinking together, the way all fights should end!
 
Absolute classless bullshit. This is exactly what is wrong with the sport. As for the asshole who thinks sucker punchng is funny.
 
absolutely classless. As for the a--hole who threw the punch. Keep looking over your shoulder pal. I have a good visual memory and I don't even know you. So it will be an experience for you.. What goes around comes around. I have a long history of revenge served cold so I hope we'll meet.. See you later. You reek of trash and everything that is wrong with this sport. As for everyone else why would we post this shit. We want a legitimate sport and act like a bunch of f--kin thugs Disgraceful
 
Not taking anyone's side, but...............

Just because there is not an apparent injury does not mean that there isn't an injury. Any time there is trauma to a person's head, such as a concussion, there can be long-lasting effects that sometimes do not manifest themselves until later down the road.

Just ask any NFL player who's had a concussion.

Maniac

I hear ya Maniac, but you cannot say, well, in 20 years I might not be OK, so give me a million. Folks are in car accidents every day, and the injury settlements are not dependent on what "may" happen in the future unless some medical expert can say well, the he will need knee replaement surgery in 10 years, etc....And even then it has to be reasonable.

Not everyone that has a concussion gets demetia.... I don't even think it contributes that much in football, I think that is more of the brain being "rattled" so often, over so many years, and not just the concussions necessarily....
 
. We want a legitimate sport and act like a bunch of f--kin thugs Disgraceful

Yep, the NFL is a business that has many thugs, criminals, rapists, drug users, drug sellers, wife beaters, etc.... but somehow they squeak by on the BILLIONS of dollars every year that are made off the NFL and also have the most watched sporting even in the country... you might have heard of it... it's called the Super Bowl :)

Little tired of folks thinking that a few jerks are what is ruining our sport. Sorry, but it's a fringe sport and most likely will never get the attention we think it deserves... I don't hear folks in bowling whining all the much about their sport ?
 
absolutely classless. As for the a--hole who threw the punch. Keep looking over your shoulder pal. I have a good visual memory and I don't even know you. So it will be an experience for you.. What goes around comes around. I have a long history of revenge served cold so I hope we'll meet.. See you later. You reek of trash and everything that is wrong with this sport. As for everyone else why would we post this shit. We want a legitimate sport and act like a bunch of f--kin thugs Disgraceful

Am I the only one seeing a little irony here?

best,
brian kc
 
Yeah, I did not quite get it... at first I thought him to be the victim, but he is not, cause he does not know him, but he is gonna get the puncher ??? strange

Yeah, and it's gonna be a lo-o-o-ng trip from Ontario to do it, too!!!

Maniac
 
Yep, the NFL is a business that has many thugs, criminals, rapists, drug users, drug sellers, wife beaters, etc.... but somehow they squeak by on the BILLIONS of dollars every year that are made off the NFL and also have the most watched sporting even in the country... you might have heard of it... it's called the Super Bowl :)

Little tired of folks thinking that a few jerks are what is ruining our sport. Sorry, but it's a fringe sport and most likely will never get the attention we think it deserves... I don't hear folks in bowling whining all the much about their sport ?

I agree!!!

Maniac
 
Yes. Sorry Sir. I don't wish to add fuel to the flame. I am just disgusted with this kind of content and to the idiots who stood by and encouraged it, and nobody had the sense to stop it before it got that far. The results could have been tragic. I have seen it all too many times.
 
Yes. Sorry Sir. I don't wish to add fuel to the flame. I am just disgusted with this kind of content and to the idiots who stood by and encouraged it, and nobody had the sense to stop it before it got that far. The results could have been tragic. I have seen it all too many times.

Agreed. One person with some common sense should have just stepped in and said, OK boys, that's enough "yapping"... lets' play some pool....
 
absolutely classless. As for the a--hole who threw the punch. Keep looking over your shoulder pal. I have a good visual memory and I don't even know you. So it will be an experience for you.. What goes around comes around. I have a long history of revenge served cold so I hope we'll meet.. See you later. You reek of trash and everything that is wrong with this sport. As for everyone else why would we post this shit. We want a legitimate sport and act like a bunch of f--kin thugs Disgraceful

Drugs have infiltrated our society.
 
Yes. Sorry Sir. I don't wish to add fuel to the flame. I am just disgusted with this kind of content and to the idiots who stood by and encouraged it, and nobody had the sense to stop it before it got that far. The results could have been tragic. I have seen it all too many times.

Harass, stalk and threaten someone, and you get what you deserve. Let's hope the idiot learned his lesson, or he may pick on an even more dangerous person the next time, then he may not get up.

Self defense, plain and simple. The folks watching from the sidelines are entitled to whoop and holler all they want. They have no obligation to get involved, and there is no law against recording and posting it on Youtube.
 
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