Dennis Searing

Kevin ,as usual speaks from knowledge and insight into the business. i always enjoy hearing his opinions and reading his replies.

thanks for your comments

remember I am simply trying to pick up an easy $1000 betting on schon cues playing
better and blowing off steam about being lied to about being on top of the list.

I heard the cues are nice and I even heard they sold for more than you paid is why I wanted one,

I know the cues I mentioned play good

So my motivation is an open book

as is kevin who is trying to calm stormy seas because he is a good guy

I just hope he doesn't cause me to miss out on the $1000 bet
 
Spimp13 said:
You just don't get it do you?

Let's say I grab 10 people to test hit both and say 6 like the Searing better...does that mean I win?

Ok...how about I grab another 10 people afterwards and this time 6 people like the Schon better....does that mean we tie?

It's subjective and for a true sample size you would have to have a ton of people test hit both...not like 5-10 lol. Here let's pass a $5k Searing around through 10,000 AZ members and use that for a sample size lol.
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Um, yeah... THIS!


I'm not afraid of the bet. I just don't want an "unbiased" judge touching my cue. Let alone enough for a fair test.

I guess it's easy to pass around an $600 Schon that you can buy from 8 different Internet stores... Lol.


You're right Dean, you may have lost out an "easy" $1,000. Such is life, I suppose..


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Your photograph is great

Jazznpool, How did you make those pictures?

Is the photo one or multiple.
How did you do it?

I see some photos when attached are small and some are large.

How do you do that.

Thanks, Barney
 
CMD said:
Um, yeah... THIS!


I'm not afraid of the bet. I just don't want an "unbiased" judge touching my cue. Let alone enough for a fair test.

I guess it's easy to pass around an $600 Schon that you can buy from 8 different Internet stores... Lol.


You're right Dean, you may have lost out an "easy" $1,000. Such is life, I suppose..


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Any time you need a tester for your Maple S give me a shout,to be fair I'll let you test out the SW!!!!:grin:
 
buddha162 said:
Interesting statement. The sad truth is, some guys DO build shitty cues, and I don't have a problem with someone pointing this out.

More prevalent, however, are guys who own mediocre cues telling the world they own the greatest cue ever built. Then getting offended when told that their cue is mediocre, or that the value is significantly less than they paid for, etc, etc. That's when everyone wants to be particularly subjective, and moreover, demand everyone else to be relativistic about their mediocre cues as well.

-roger
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I'm not sure if you're aiming this statement at me or not. If you are implying anything about, my cue or the "Cash Money" cue, is mediocre, then maybe you have missed the boat over the last 20-25 years. I believe my builder of choice is in the "Hand of the Master's" calendar, and has helped many reputable name builders with everything from ring work to construction technique.

I think you're still butt hurt from the other thread where you just couldn't except the value on a cue, that was bought and sold, at an agreed upon price.

If you would like to openly debate the merit of mediocre cues vs. great cues, I would first, like to know what makes you so inclined to levy this accusation? Are you some master builder? Have you been building cues for 20+ years? Have you ever built a cue that sold for more than $1k?

Even building a shitty cue is hard to do, and if someone has put in there time to build it, it is disrespectful to call it "shitty". If it's art it's all subjective anyway, what ticks your clock might not tick mine. There is no need to disrespect anyone.
 
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I must disagree with you Chop Dock,I see people buying and selling low end and custom cues all the time and asking less than what they payed,many are great cues like Jerry -R-,I think he is a very under rated cue maker.If you pay $1000 for a Schon you will not be able to resell for $1000,market conditions will not allow that.This is not the case with South West,I receive PM's regularly asking me if I want to sell mine for quite a bit more than I payed for it,it is not for sell,I did not wait 10 1/2 to flip it for a couple thousand.I am not a big collector,I currently only have 3 cues,South West,Manzino,and WW,the WW was very inexpensive,a lot less than a Bautista or many production cues,but I will not sell it either as it is one of the best built and playing cues I have owned,
 
A Dennis Searing cue is spliced points (his ad) whereas The Shon I have are inlays. Does one intrinsically hit better than the other?
 
Worminator said:
I do not believe this to be a true statement. He is very aware he cannot meet everyone's needs, and I do believe that bothers him quite a bit.
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Jamie

You are right. I've spoken to Dennis about that very issue and it seems you have too. What I meant to convey was not Dennis' unfeeling or uncaring nature, which is not the case, but rather his unwillingness to change his artistic integrity in order to satisfy the demand. I was being overly-dramatic and didn't come close to saying what I meant.

Thanks

Kevin
 
deanoc said:
Kevin ,as usual speaks from knowledge and insight into the business. i always enjoy hearing his opinions and reading his replies.

thanks for your comments

remember I am simply trying to pick up an easy $1000 betting on schon cues playing
better and blowing off steam about being lied to about being on top of the list.

I heard the cues are nice and I even heard they sold for more than you paid is why I wanted one,

I know the cues I mentioned play good

So my motivation is an open book

as is kevin who is trying to calm stormy seas because he is a good guy

I just hope he doesn't cause me to miss out on the $1000 bet
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Dean

I think you are next up with Dennis, I mean NEXT AFTER ME ME ME. Dennis is almost done with my cue, he's just shaping the tip.

And that tip is gonna be shaped perfectly. I know this because he has been shaping my tip for the last 7 years. He was almost done, but then he got an idea for an unique,more precise, prettier, less efficient but more effective, tip shaper. So he had to build it. He wanted the wood to be just so, rejected blank after blank (gotta get it right) and is now growing his own tree. Those of you that are pissed because Dennis hasn't returned your calls, please be advised that the cell reception is crummy in Peru, where he is hand-sifting through some one-off special rocks in order to find the perfect abrasive surface for his perfect tip shaper.

When he is done with mine, he'll move on to yours. Forget your little contest. When you get it, leave that Searing alone in a room with your Schon, turn out the lights, and the Searing will screw itself together, then screw the Schon together, and silently run rack after rack with the Schon. The question is, is it the Searing cue doing the shooting or is it the Schon? Age old Indian or arrow deal.

What if the Indiana Jones series was about a guy that rather go on the hunt for the elusive, often spoken about but never seen, original Holy Grail, called up the Holy Grail production house and ordered one? They tell him a week and it actually takes 9 days, but close enough. And it really looks pretty much like the Original Holy Grail, as a matter of fact, it hinges better and closes more securely than the Original Holy Grail, and Indiana puts it on his desk, done with that, and now gets to surf porn all day, no mussy fighting or searching necessary.

Would anyone go to that movie?

Thanks

Kevin
 
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LAMas said:
A Dennis Searing cue is spliced points (his ad) whereas The Shon I have are inlays. Does one intrinsically hit better than the other?
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Well, Ernie G. thinks that inlaid points are better (and hit better).

No doubt Dennis S. thinks that spliced/structural points are better (and hit better).

Who's right and who's wrong? And who would try to argue against either of these world class makers?

There's really no right or wrong answer with this. But, many of us have our own personal preferences in hit, appearance, etc. when it comes to these two methods of doing points.

More than one way to skin a cat, that's all.
 
cueaddicts said:
Well, Ernie G. thinks that inlaid points are better (and hit better).

No doubt Dennis S. thinks that spliced/structural points are better (and hit better).

Who's right and who's wrong? And who would try to argue against either of these world class makers?

There's really no right or wrong answer with this. But, many of us have our own personal preferences in hit, appearance, etc. when it comes to these two methods of doing points.

More than one way to skin a cat, that's all.
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Don't forget full splice vs. short splice as well... I think when it comes right down to it, opinions will very but I would wager most people would rather own a hand crafted cue, built for them, over a production cue.

All of the above weighed in, I still think the R360 Cuetec is the best cue in the world. It seems like that R360 cue never misses... :grin:
 
concerning inlaid points,sharp points or no points at all
It is my understanding that no one can tell the difference in playing the cues

Bob Runde used tomake sharp point cues at schon,many rave about those cues,I personally asked Bob,who still makes sharp point cues,if there was any difference in play

He said,"no difference whatsoever"

I asked Tim Scruggs a similar question last week and he tells me that the newer cues are usually cored and are the best playing cues ever made

Jack Potter,of Libra cue fame,tells me he prefers the panagraph points,says they are structurally better,but would not go so far as to suggest this means you can tell the difference in play

I personally can not tell the difference in play,but I prefer sharp looking points and

inlays

dc
 
deanoc said:
concerning inlaid points,sharp points or no points at all
It is my understanding that no one can tell the difference in playing the cues

Bob Runde used tomake sharp point cues at schon,many rave about those cues,I personally asked Bob,who still makes sharp point cues,if there was any difference in play

He said,"no difference whatsoever"

I asked Tim Scruggs a similar question last week and he tells me that the newer cues are usually cored and are the best playing cues ever made

Jack Potter,of Libra cue fame,tells me he prefers the panagraph points,says they are structurally better,but would not go so far as to suggest this means you can tell the difference in play

I personally can not tell the difference in play,but I prefer sharp looking points and

inlays

dc
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Dean

Ernie gets a lot of great feedback regarding his cored arms too. Some folks swear by spliced cues, or full spliced cues or not spliced cues. Ernie once asked me how I figured sawing up the connection, slamming some veneers and glue in there could possibly make the cue stronger, better, more resonant or whatever than a solid piece of wood and I had no answer and that case was closed for us.

For me, I think "hit" is way subjective and comes far more from the shaft wood, taper and tip than what's happening in the joint or below the joint, but what do I know.

The last Balabushka I had, George had drilled a 1 inch diameter hole into the butt, dropped a diamond inlay in there, and filled it all in with an epoxy mixture. If a cue maker today did that, he would be lynched. Meantime, none of that has anything to do with "ht" or "feel".

Kevin
 
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Can you imagine the OUTRAGE??? if someone did that now now on a 'high end" cue they'd be tarred, feathered, and run out of town...
 
I'm not quite sure why Searing cues are as expensive as they are. Don't get me wrong, though, I've hit with a couple & I love the way they hit.
My personal opinion, Searing cues are top 3, so you won't be disappointed if you owned one. Dennis is definitely a perfectionist when it comes to his craft. I'm just not interested in paying that kind of money for ANY cue. I've got a Schon with a Tim Scruggs shaft that I've been playing with for 14 yrs, cost me $300 & it plays like God, to me...(just thought I'd add that :cool:)
You'll be waiting a long time if you order a Searing cue, but I can't think of anything bad to say about his cues. Top notch cue maker. I used to play alongside Searing on the Florida Tour in the mid to late 90's & I'm not sure if many people know this, but he played some pretty darn good pool as well. Ok, I'll stop rambling now :smile:
 
I was surprised to see birdeye forearm and Butt sections drying at TADs shop in Stanton...I thought that they were the same wood under the wrap...who cares...I still want one.:)
 
deanoc said:
fellas ,no need to talk about Larry
he has nothing to do with this other than he made me a cue

he makes a really nice cue that I like
I am willing to bet my money that it is a better looking cue thanany of the searings I have seen also that Schons hit better


No need to respond with sarcasm,either bet your money or don't

it has nothing to do with what I am saying or what your friends are
saying

If you guys want to bet $1000 and can figure out
a way to have a test for which hits best or which has the best finish

Remember ,its just me making a bet,these cue makers have nothing to do with my extravagant claims

It amazes me how people get upset when a friendly bet is offered

We all know who schon is,who wants to bet that searings hit better?
propose your test

Isn't this what pool players like?

I thought Scott would beat Alex,maybe I am wrong here too

But for my money I prefer Schon
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I will take both of your bets for 1K each or more.

#1 We will both post high res pictures of our cues and we can have a poll right here on AZ on which cue looks better.

#2 We can get 10 people all blindfolded and can hit with both cues and they can also vote on which cue hits better.

Let me know when you want to set it up.
 
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