Dennis Searing

mars man
your offer is not acceptable because of2 reasons
1) when I offered to bet on the finish I want a large number of nuetral judges such as can be found at a large tournament,not in a biased group on Az and with pictures

2) I would like for a large sample of people to shoot several shots and state which cue
they thought played the best ,not just which felt good as they hit balls in an unnatural
activity.

more or less like we do when we are thinking of buying a cue,hit a few shots and
decide

I will bring one of my schon tributes for the playing part,and the Vigus for the finish
judging

I think it would be best if we both brought basic cues not to influence the judging with a fancy cue as opposed to a plain Jane


If this suits you I will be glad to give it a go at a time when its convenient in the near future. I might even consider letting experienced cue makers judge the finish
 
deanoc said:
mars man
your offer is not acceptable because of2 reasons
1) when I offered to bet on the finish I want a large number of nuetral judges such as can be found at a large tournament,not in a biased group on Az and with pictures

2) I would like for a large sample of people to shoot several shots and state which cue
they thought played the best ,not just which felt good as they hit balls in an unnatural
activity.

more or less like we do when we are thinking of buying a cue,hit a few shots and
decide

I will bring one of my schon tributes for the playing part,and the Vigus for the finish
judging

I think it would be best if we both brought basic cues not to influence the judging with a fancy cue as opposed to a plain Jane


If this suits you I will be glad to give it a go at a time when its convenient in the near future. I might even consider letting experienced cue makers judge the finish
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Never mind, obviously you have come up with something that can't easily be accomplished and to tell you the truth I can see you are going to try and make it so difficult it won't be worth the effort.
 
You guys need to work out some kind of black shrink wrap to cover the cues, except the wrap sections. There's no way there's going to be equally fair judging, knowing what each cue is. But to many keen eyes, they will know by looking at the shaft, ferrule/tip, and wrap.

What you guys need is to work out a group of pros to test hit these cues at a tournament. But they need to be as blind as possible as to have the makers hidden. Not guys you're buddies with....maybe some of the women pros.

Not sure how something like that can best be pulled off.

Finish judging will be the easy part.....just need a solid pool of judges that know what to look for and can be impartial.
 
cueaddicts said:
You guys need to work out some kind of black shrink wrap to cover the cues, except the wrap sections. There's no way there's going to be equally fair judging, knowing what each cue is. But to many keen eyes, they will know by looking at the shaft, ferrule/tip, and wrap.

What you guys need is to work out a group of pros to test hit these cues at a tournament. But they need to be as blind as possible as to have the makers hidden. Not guys you're buddies with....maybe some of the women pros.

Not sure how something like that can best be pulled off.

Finish judging will be the easy part.....just need a solid pool of judges that know what to look for and can be impartial.
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I was thinking blindfolds.:wink:
 
I have been fortunate enough to hit with a Searing cue. Fit and finish is absolute top notch. It was one of his high end cues. It belonged to a gentleman that is a horse dentist. I believe his name is Ken. He has quite a collection and he always me try whatever cue he had with him at a tournament. The cue played superb and worth the money if your in the market for that type of high end cue.
 
deanoc said:
mars man
your offer is not acceptable because of2 reasons
1) when I offered to bet on the finish I want a large number of nuetral judges such as can be found at a large tournament,not in a biased group on Az and with pictures

2) I would like for a large sample of people to shoot several shots and state which cue
they thought played the best ,not just which felt good as they hit balls in an unnatural
activity.

more or less like we do when we are thinking of buying a cue,hit a few shots and
decide

I will bring one of my schon tributes for the playing part,and the Vigus for the finish
judging

I think it would be best if we both brought basic cues not to influence the judging with a fancy cue as opposed to a plain Jane


If this suits you I will be glad to give it a go at a time when its convenient in the near future. I might even consider letting experienced cue makers judge the finish
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I can assure you Dean, there is nothing plain with this cue....


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Almost forgot...


He knows how to play pretty good with that cue as well.


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nice cue
i would consider it a plain cue because it doesn't have a bunch of inlays

i think your cue is very nice looking,more and more i am drawn to cues like that

if you saw my cue in the gallery i think you would like it too,i do

from what i see it would not bean easy task to beat that cue,but I think Larry does a really nice finish and iwould be willing to put them side by side

it would certainly be nothing to be ashamed of if I came in second to a lovely cue such as yours

I don't think I could be expected to put a plain cue like the one I have against Wil Prouts box cue

Again thats a nice cue you have there
 
Thanks Dean.


I admire Larry's work. He has a promising future. He is just at a different stage than where Dennis is. As far as Schon cues go, they are excellent in their own right. However, they are marketed to a different market than where Searing's currently are. I've always wanted a Schon. Someday I hope to get one of the older ones. Then mate it to a Searing shaft...;)

None of it is meant to be negative, just my opinion.
 
CMD said:
I can assure you Dean, there is nothing plain with this cue....


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I still miss this cue. I played with it 3x a week for more than 3 years straight and have put it through hell and back. I've also played for several years with a Schon, as well as owned many more of them.

There is, quite frankly, no comparison and I think it's a horrible bet to say they are.

Searing = Bugatti
Schon = Ford

Both respectful in their own right, but it's a disservice to both of them to even attempt to compare the two.

The cue that CMD quoted above is the best playing cue I've ever had. Hopefully some day I can either get it back or be fortunate enough to acquire another from Dennis.
 
1pRoscoe said:
I still miss this cue. I played with it 3x a week for more than 3 years straight and have put it through hell and back. I've also played for several years with a Schon, as well as owned many more of them.

There is, quite frankly, no comparison and I think it's a horrible bet to say they are.

Searing = Bugatti
Schon = Ford

Both respectful in their own right, but it's a disservice to both of them to even attempt to compare the two.

The cue that CMD quoted above is the best playing cue I've ever had. Hopefully some day I can either get it back or be fortunate enough to acquire another from Dennis.
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This cue is by far the nicest plain maple cue I have ever seen!!!:thumbup:
 
dennis builds a great cue

Just wish I could go back to the days when we traded Skip Westons for Searings. Funny how times change. Don't we all wish we had a crystal ball at some point in time....lol.
 
jhanso18 said:
I'm not sure if you're aiming this statement at me or not. If you are implying anything about, my cue or the "Cash Money" cue, is mediocre, then maybe you have missed the boat over the last 20-25 years. I believe my builder of choice is in the "Hand of the Master's" calendar, and has helped many reputable name builders with everything from ring work to construction technique.

I think you're still butt hurt from the other thread where you just couldn't except the value on a cue, that was bought and sold, at an agreed upon price.

If you would like to openly debate the merit of mediocre cues vs. great cues, I would first, like to know what makes you so inclined to levy this accusation? Are you some master builder? Have you been building cues for 20+ years? Have you ever built a cue that sold for more than $1k?

Even building a shitty cue is hard to do, and if someone has put in there time to build it, it is disrespectful to call it "shitty". If it's art it's all subjective anyway, what ticks your clock might not tick mine. There is no need to disrespect anyone.
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Lmao, Hand of the Master's calendar indeed. Now you've convinced me.

Please continue to entertain.

-roger
 
I'm guessing that 95% of the people on Searing's "list" are never getting their cue. They might as well be on Gus's list for all that spot is worth.

Anyone want to list all the Searing's delivered in 2012 and project how long it will take him to make everyone on his list a cue? I got it pegged around 2077 myself.

Patrick
 
kvinbrwr said:
Sean

No way.

Is this true?

Kevin
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it's worse than that:o

(not as bad as the IV JOINTD G SZAM W/copious iv inlays and a textured lthr wrap i swapped for a couple of MEUCCI's and 2 oz's of gold in 79):embarrassed2::embarrassed2:
 
cueaddicts said:
You guys need to work out some kind of black shrink wrap to cover the cues, except the wrap sections. There's no way there's going to be equally fair judging, knowing what each cue is. But to many keen eyes, they will know by looking at the shaft, ferrule/tip, and wrap.

What you guys need is to work out a group of pros to test hit these cues at a tournament. But they need to be as blind as possible as to have the makers hidden. Not guys you're buddies with....maybe some of the women pros.

Not sure how something like that can best be pulled off.

Finish judging will be the easy part.....just need a solid pool of judges that know what to look for and can be impartial.
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Whats weird is in my experience a lot of pro's today play with cues that hit like shit. Busty plays with a 22 oz cue. Appleton hit one of my South Wests and flipped his lid....basically all he has ever played with is a Predator. Shane has hit some cues I know play amazing and hated them because "too much deflection". I had a long talk with John Showman about how IMO pro's opinions on how a cue hits are extremely overrated for the most part. I have hit with A LOT of pro players cues and I wouldn't take most of them on a bet. I bet most other "cue guys" wouldn't either.

A lot of the pro's today simply have not owned a whole lot of high end cues and they like what they like which is what they are used to. One guy who stands out from this observation is Nick Varner. When Nick talks about cues I pay attention.

IMO hit is so subjective as to be almost meaningless as a measurable thing. Unless its measured in tons. Then its totally measurable.
 
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JCIN said:
Whats weird is in my experience a lot of pro's today play with cues that hit like shit. Busty plays with a 22 oz cue. Appleton hit one of my South Wests and flipped his lid....basically all he has ever played with is a Predator. Shane has hit some cues I know play amazing and hated them because "too much deflection". I had a long talk with John Showman about how IMO pro's opinions on how a cue hits are extremely overrated for the most part. I have hit with A LOT of pro players cues and I wouldn't take most of them on a bet. I bet most other "cue guys" wouldn't either.

A lot of the pro's today simply have not owned a whole lot of high end cues and they like what they like which is what they are used to. One guy who stands out from this observation is Nick Varner. When Nick talks about cues I pay attention.

IMO hit is so subjective as to be almost meaningless as a measurable thing. Unless its measured in tons. Then its totally measurable.
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there is no shortage of cues that hits a ton. just look in the az for sale forum, you can find all you want in there.:grin:
 
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