Bonus Ball Schedule: Right or Wrong

Bonus Ball Schedule: Right or Wrong?

  • Right

    Votes: 57 28.9%

  • Wrong

    Votes: 140 71.1%
  • Total voters
    197
  • Poll closed .
dynamite said:
Jay you told me I probably not get invited to all future Bigfoot challenges ..
It's whatever far as am concerned .. It's your tournament I guess and u add the 18k so u can organize and invite whoever u want .. And you said bonus ball will fail to me also ..

It's difficult to call it invitational tournament when 1k entry and least 25% of the field every year are amateur players ..

Many of your superstar player friends dropped out in past but played the next tournament.

Why did these guys drop out in past ?my guess nobody knows or cares ..
This is all about bonus ball and your bitterness towards it so now u trying to set a example and take it out on the players ..

Everything's blown out of proportion as usual. The great southern classic lost around 8-12 guys that would normally play due to bonus ball and probably around 4-6 guys that would play Bigfoot .. But am sure you will get least 4-6 new guys to replace them.. Esp with all players coming from overseas.

As for loyalty i entered as many Bigfoot/fatboy 1k challenges as anybody else so in your eyes every pool player in the world got no loyalty .

Well least at derby city 2014 I can focus on the all around :-)

Good luck with the tournament .

Darren
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Darren, the only one who seems bitter is you. I could care less about Bonus Ball. You don't need to justify your actions with all the mis-assumptions you made here. You pretty much got everything wrong, but maybe you feel better now. I do think Bonus Ball will ultimately fail. You got that one right.

Good luck with your league. Jay
 
The idea of a World Champion being made an alternate and being put "at the back of the line" over this is really silly.

This is exactly what Edwin Reyes died for. The man was murdered because he didn't want the players treated like pawns and that's exactly how they are being treated now. Attempted manipulation all sides.

It's really sad to see this. A man who reached the pinnacle of his sport being publicly flogged for his decision to withdraw one time from a tournament. When in fact other players also committed then withdrew from the same event in years past with no public shaming.

Jay I understand you are pissed off but is this public berating of Darren Appleton any less of a violation of etitquette than Roy Mallot telling off a customer in private. You are awfully judgemental of Roy's PRIVATE communication but have no problem essentially calling Darren Appleton a welcher in public and meting out a "punishment".
 
JB Cases said:
The idea of a World Champion being made an alternate and being put "at the back of the line" over this is really silly.

This is exactly what Edwin Reyes died for. The man was murdered because he didn't want the players treated like pawns and that's exactly how they are being treated now. Attempted manipulation all sides.

It's really sad to see this. A man who reached the pinnacle of his sport being publicly flogged for his decision to withdraw one time from a tournament. When in fact other players also committed then withdrew from the same event in years past with no public shaming.

Jay I understand you are pissed off but is this public berating of Darren Appleton any less of a violation of etitquette than Roy Mallot telling off a customer in private. You are awfully judgemental of Roy's PRIVATE communication but have no problem essentially calling Darren Appleton a welcher in public and meting out a "punishment".
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I'll make a deal with you John. I won't tell you how to run your business and you don't tell me how to run mine. There were some things that happened that I didn't make public, so let's just leave it at that.
 
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jay helfert said:
Thanks Justin for clarifying my position for those who are not so gifted at communication. I have no say in what other promoters do! PERIOD! I may have some input if they ask me but that's about it. I do have a lot of say in the Bigfoot Challenge, an event I helped create and run. What I told Darren Appleton is that he may not be invited to future events if he drops out now. He is now an alternate and has gone to the back of the line for future Bigfoot Challenges. I hope that clears that up. He isn't off the list, he just loses his favorable position.

Yes, he has a choice about where and when he will play. And we have a choice about who we will invite to an Invitational event, just like you do at TAR. This same standard will apply to other players who have previously committed to playing in the Bigfoot Challenge in Tunica. So I'm not singling out Darren here.

As far as Bonus Ball is concerned I really don't give a damn anymore, after all the bullshit I've heard on here from the spokespeople. What a piss poor way to run a new business, running off most of your best customers. Especially after they stated it was one of their goals to garner a large online PPV audience. I have lost whatever respect I had for the organizers and operators of this league. To compound that with a deliberate attempt (that will fail) to undermine an event put on by one of my best friends in the billiard community (actually two of them) only irritated me further. I have a great deal of respect for Greg Sullivan and to see what was happening and what was being said did not go over well with me.

So yes, I will make my position crystal clear to Lenny, to Nathan and to anyone else who wants to know. I AM NOT A SUPPORTER OF BONUS BALL. They have lost my support and they earned it!
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jay helfert said:
Darren, the only one who seems bitter is you. I could care less about Bonus Ball. You don't need to justify your actions with all the mis-assumptions you made here. You pretty much got everything wrong, but maybe you feel better now. I do think Bonus Ball will ultimately fail. You got that one right.

Good luck with your league. Jay
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Don't really see why I would be bitter I pulled out of the tournament..
I don't care less if I play another 10ball 10ft 1k invitational tournament again I will not loose sleep over it .

Am not the one going round threatening bans from future tournaments and crying about bonus ball.
Am self employed pool player and not contracted to anyone , I just looking at the bigger picture and I got lot of bigger tournaments to play this year which means I will miss some bonus ball matches .. And am sure the likes of Mika , ralf , thorsten etc are all thinking the same thing as its so important to make the play offs in the bonus ball league..

Hope u get 32 entries and its a huge success because i am one those guys that like to see everything involved with pool go great and be a huge success :-)

Darren
 
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jay helfert said:
I'll make a deal with you John. I won't tell you how to run your business and you don't tell me how to run mine. There were some things that happened that I didn't make public, so let's just leave it at that.
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I am absolutely cool with that so let's extend it one further and you don't jump up and tell Roy how to run his. Remember what I said about there always being another side to the story?

I totally respect you and am really said to see you upset here, sad to see Mark upset and I do certainly feel that there is a lot of behind-the-scenes issues which are the foundation of the public debate between principals happening here.

I just feel bad that it seems like again players are caught in the middle and being made into villains for choosing one way or the other.
 
Bonus Ball schedule - right or wrong

John,

Mark is not upset. My position is the same as it was several weeks or so ago.

Bonus Ball management caused this conflict. The players didn't.
But the players are the ones caught in the middle.
They are not the villan - in fact I think they will be shown as a victim.

All of this could have avoided from the get-go.

Mark Griffin


JB Cases said:


I totally respect you and am really said to see you upset here, sad to see Mark upset and I do certainly feel that there is a lot of behind-the-scenes issues which are the foundation of the public debate between principals happening here.

I just feel bad that it seems like again players are caught in the middle and being made into villains for choosing one way or the other.
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JB Cases said:
The idea of a World Champion being made an alternate and being put "at the back of the line" over this is really silly.

This is exactly what Edwin Reyes died for. The man was murdered because he didn't want the players treated like pawns and that's exactly how they are being treated now. Attempted manipulation all sides.

It's really sad to see this. A man who reached the pinnacle of his sport being publicly flogged for his decision to withdraw one time from a tournament. When in fact other players also committed then withdrew from the same event in years past with no public shaming.
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Your soapbox has no legs JB.

Professional sports figures in every sport have always been fined, banned, and/or suspended for conduct deemed unprofessional and/or personally improper by the governing powers.

That is the way it must be.

j
 
jimmyg said:
Your soapbox has no legs JB.

Professional sports figures in every sport have always been fined, banned, and/or suspended for conduct deemed unprofessional and/or personally improper by the governing powers.

That is the way it must be.

j
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Unfortunately pools not really a professional sport .. Too many governing bodies and politics .. The official governing body is wpa but amateurs can still play them tournaments also ..

Great southern classic is a independent tournament and open to any player in the world so it's not a professional tournament .. There is no contract ! And no invite its pay and go for all who want to play .. And it cost the players alot of money to go play with no guarantee of winning a penny ..

If your talking talking snooker / golf / tennis etc which operate under one roof and professionals only I see your point ..

Darren

Ps imagine if fines were in place for pulling out of a open tournament lol .. We all be looking for a day job .
 
jimmyg said:
Your soapbox has no legs JB.

Professional sports figures in every sport have always been fined, banned, and/or suspended for conduct deemed unprofessional and/or personally improper by the governing powers.

That is the way it must be.

j
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Primo said:
Daz, do the BB players feel like they are being threatened by promoters of other pool events/tournies as retaliation against BB promoters/owners?
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Well I guess u can see the evidence of this here .. But I can only speak of myself .. I got to make a living I got bills to pay and future to build so I got to do what I feel is best for me .. I got very busy schedule this year so obviously it's not possible to keep everyone happy .. Pool is a lonely life I come from a poor family so I work very hard at my job and I like hard work so I Appreciate what comes my way..

It was a tough decision for me to not play great southern classic because I so much respect for Greg and the events he puts on for us .. But sometimes u can't please everyone .. I understand there frustration but pools a tough life trust me ..
But I love pool so it all worth it.

Here my schedule for the year if goes to plan ..

I will play about 15-16 bonus ball matches in regular season 22 matches total . June 21st- nov Then hopefully play offs because then big money 300k in prize fund play offs alone ..

Ultimate 10ball 17-20th June
June 21-16th July bonus and tournament in San Francisco
July 16-23rd bca one pocket and 10ball
July 24-31st world games Colombia
Aug bonus ball
Aug 16-21st world straight pool ny
Then back to Vegas bonus ball
Sept 3-13th world 9ball championships ,Qatar Middle East
Sept 17-24th World Cup of pool Matchroom York hall, England
Then back to Vegas bonus ball
Oct more bonus ball
Oct 13-19th us open 9ball va
October 14-16 th challenge of champion ct
20-25 back to Vegas
Oct 27-29th world pool masters Matchroom England
Nov bonus ball play off
Nov 20-27th Japan open Osaka
Dec mosconi cup Las Vegas Matchroom hopefully ..

As u can see it tough to keep everyone happy if u play pool full time

Darren
 
dynamite said:
Unfortunately pools not really a professional sport .. Too many governing bodies and politics .. The official governing body is wpa but amateurs can still play them tournaments also ..

Great southern classic is a independent tournament and open to any player in the world so it's not a professional tournament .. There is no contract ! And no invite its pay and go for all who want to play .. And it cost the players alot of money to go play with no guarantee of winning a penny ..

If your talking talking snooker / golf / tennis etc which operate under one roof and professionals only I see your point ..

Darren

Ps imagine if fines were in place for pulling out of a open tournament lol .. We all be looking for a day job .
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Maybe my comparison wasn't a perfect one, but in terms of "sports" and their organizations, there isn't any. Shouldn't it be the ultimate goal of pool, to someday achieve an equal, or close to equal, footing with the other major sports?

Your points are all valid as well, but because pool has no legitimate sanctioning and governing body, there are no legitimate "professionals" either. And therein lies the problem in a nutshell, and, IMO, until the pool-players establish a really professional representative governing body of their own, one which actually hires outside and professional legal, organizational, negotiating, and PR skills, the industry will remain in the chaotic states that exists today,

Good luck to you.

Jim
 
jimmyg said:
Maybe my comparison wasn't a perfect one, but in terms of "sports" and their organizations, there isn't any. Shouldn't it be the ultimate goal of pool, to someday achieve an equal, or close to equal, footing with the other major sports?

Your points are all valid as well, but because pool has no legitimate sanctioning and governing body, there are no legitimate "professionals" either. And therein lies the problem in a nutshell, and, IMO, until the pool-players establish a really professional representative governing body of their own, one which actually hires outside and professional legal, organizational, negotiating, and PR skills, the industry will remain in the chaotic states that exists today,

Good luck to you.

Jim
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Thanks ..

Well WPA is our main organization for pool world ranking tournaments and sanction the big added money tournaments .. But could be better organized for sure but its the most important at the moment .. I just wish Matchroom would do more tournaments as they are the best... And so professional.

We are working on a professional organization for players abp and hopefully that will come to something good in the future .. We definitely need some control ..

But end if day I just want to play big tournaments and see pool grow into something big.. It's so global it should be much bigger


Darren
 
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