Bonus Ball Schedule: Right or Wrong

[Fast Lenny]

Lenny I have stated numerous times I dont think BB is going to have much affect on anything for several reasons. What I do KNOW is that others feel differently. I also know almost all of this could of been avoided with some communication. The "He should of called me....no you should of called me." has been done to death already so at this point its useless to even talk about it.

One problem I do have is the constant refrain of "I cannot see why any real pool fan who is a supporter of the pro players would not be behind this,". All that does is create a us vs them mentality and its bullshit. I dont like the game. I think its boring, way too complex for the intended audience and makes the players look a bit silly in trying to dress them up like football/hockey/basketball players. Why would I cheerlead something that is not pool? All it has in common is the equipment. If all the top pool players decide to play BB thats fine. Best of luck to them. If its going to succeed or fail there is absolutely nothing I have to do with it. I like pool. Not purple and orange balls going in three pockets.

Plus I refuse to just blindly follow whoever throws the most money at someone this year. I'm in this for the duration and I will support people I think earn it and deserve it based on solid leadership and good character. To say someone is against the pros because they dislike BB pisses me off to no end. TAR has paid out about $40,000 this year to players. Go find ten more people who are against the players as much as I am and you will be on to something if BB doesnt work out.

There has been numerous falsehoods put out by the organization. This does not create a feeling of trust towards it from me. If the organization puts out bullshit numbers it either means they don't know what they are doing or they are lying. Neither engenders confidence in me as a leader for the future.

At this point the whole situation interests me simply from a business case study POV. What does BB do that I think makes sense and what do they do that is baffling. If you actually read what I post you will see I am not just over here hating with no regard for whats actually happening. I realize that doesnt fit the narrative some want to tell but its the truth.

Nothing anyone says here will have any affect at all whether BB succeeds or fails. To say different is simply looking for an excuse incase things go wrong so please just stop with all the "If you dont support BB you dont support pool or the players" bullshit.

I do believe you are one of the people who has a mind of your own and speaks it and so do I. The fact is I am dumbfounded by those who say they are for the pro players and do not support something that is paying them money. I have thrown my money at many of the pro events in support in some way or another because I support pro pool and the events that pay players. I will not support the US Open 9 Ball in anyway whether it is funding a player to go, PPV purchase or anything else period.

You are right that this forum will not make or break Bonus Ball in reality, I have also seen it go from probably 1% supporting it and 99% bashing it who actually are talking about it here to about 50/50 which says a good deal. The fact is the people who have been bashing it here or are always speaking about it or whether its you and Mark on many of the podcast might have actually garnered some support so for that I say thanks to all.

The forum is important to me as are the members and I support what I feel is good in pool just like I have always supported TAR, Accu-Stats and the promoters and events in the past. I do not recall Bonus Ball ever making it us versus them at all, but it certainly has been painted up as such. I cannot believe people actually say this is bad for the players or could turn out badly for them along with talks about barring them from future events, that is pitiful and petty. What I see at play is the typical egos in pool which need to be set aside for the future of pool and the pro players.

Oh and if you think Bonus Ball is not more difficult and skillful then 8, 9 or 10 ball then I do not know what to tell you, ask the players what they think about its difficulty level compared to other games. Some people do not think one pocket and banks are pool either, its subjective.

 

[JCIN]

I cannot believe people actually say this is bad for the players or could turn out badly for them along with talks about barring them from future events, that is pitiful and petty.

Lenny this is what I am talking about. Who is threatening to bar players?

Daz was told by Jay since he backed out of a side event he committed to he may not get invited to that side event next year. Thats not barring him thats looking out for the event. If someone stops showing up for BB matches what would BB do? When someone commits to something they certainly have the right to change their mind just as the person they committed to can decide it might not be a good idea to rely on that person in the future. Edit to add: Hopefully if this is the stance in Daz's case it is the stance in all similar cases as well. If its not then I'm with you that its not right. Hopefully everyone can relax and work it out.

If you do a side event with 16 spots available and 16 guys commit but two change their minds they probably are not going to be in the first 16 invited next year. Thats not malice or petty thats common sense. Making it sound like people are calling players saying "If you dont show you are barred" is the type of inflammatory stuff I am talking about that does nothing but piss everyone off and make things worse.

There are people out there talking about taking a hard line. I and others are telling people when asked to just ride it out and work something out in the future. Maybe you do not believe that but I am dead serious when I say this us vs them shit is bad and could do some real damage to all parties. Everyone needs to chill out with it and remember that at the end of the day BB or not everyone is probably going to have to work together sooner or later at one tournament or another.

As to Bonus Ball I dont base my judgements on what others think. I just stated I don't like it. Some people do. Awesome for them. If the players dig it all the better.

 

[Fast Lenny]

Lenny this is what I am talking about. Who is threatening to bar players?

Daz was told by Jay since he backed out of a side event he committed to he may not get invited to that side event next year. Thats not barring him thats looking out for the event. If someone stops showing up for BB matches what would BB do? When someone commits to something they certainly have the right to change their mind just as the person they committed to can decide it might not be a good idea to rely on that person in the future.

If you do a side event with 16 spots available and 16 guys commit but two change their minds they probably are not going to be in the first 16 invited next year. Thats not malice or petty thats common sense. Making it sound like people are calling players saying "If you dont show you are barred" is the type of inflammatory stuff I am talking about that does nothing but piss everyone off and make things worse.

There are people out there talking about taking a hard line. I and others are telling people when asked to just ride it out and work something out in the future. Maybe you do not believe that but I am dead serious when I say this us vs them shit is bad and could do some real damage to all parties. Everyone needs to chill out with it and remember that at the end of the day BB or not everyone is probably going to have to work together sooner or later at one tournament or another.

As to Bonus Ball I dont base my judgements on what others think. I just stated I don't like it. Some people do. Awesome for them. If the players dig it all the better.

I agree on some of your points but there has been remarks about repercussions to the players along the lines of not letting them play in future events. The promoters can do whatever they like but these veiled threats are really sad and I was surprised Mark even brought that up. If you do not think some of the promoters are against Bonus Ball that is just silly because it is blatantly obvious even if you are not one of them who are and just think it will fail. The players are not being forced to make a choice, they are being offered a choice to make with one being sure money and the other is taking a gamble on making more money but possibly losing money. Sorry but I believe much of the negative talk on the podcast shut doors for those talks unfortunately. Maybe there can be talks between these top dogs in pool and they can work it all out, I for one would love to see them all get in a room at a meeting and progressing pool and helping the pro players.

The talk of barring/restricting players was said on your own podcast sadly.
http://youtu.be/GGkgxN_tLKQ?t=51m10s

 

[JCIN]

I agree on some of your points but there has been remarks about repercussions to the players along the lines of not letting them play in future events. The promoters can do whatever they like but these veiled threats are really sad and I was surprised Mark even brought that up. If you do not think some of the promoters are against Bonus Ball that is just silly because it is blatantly obvious even if you are not one of them who are and just think it will fail. The players are not being forced to make a choice, they are being offered a choice to make with one being sure money and the other is taking a gamble on making more money but possibly losing money. Sorry but I believe much of the negative talk on the podcast shut doors for those talks unfortunately. Maybe there can be talks between these top dogs in pool and they can work it all out, I for one would love to see them all get in a room at a meeting and progressing pool and helping the pro players.

http://youtu.be/GGkgxN_tLKQ?t=51m10s

So now its the podcast to blame.

Got it.

Yes Lenny. When someone says "Screw you we are doing what we want." it is very possible that at some point someone may say "Screw you back."

Oh I know this part....its where you go back and cherry pick sentences that you think support your argument while completely dismissing what I am trying to say.

Keep looking for that unconditional support you so desperately crave Lenny.

 

[Fast Lenny]

So now its the podcast to blame.

Got it.

Yes Lenny. When someone says "Screw you we are doing what we want." it is very possible that at some point someone may say "Screw you back."

Oh I know this part....its where you go back and cherry pick sentences that you think support your argument while completely dismissing what I am trying to say.

Keep looking for that unconditional support you so desperately crave Lenny.

Bonus Ball never said screw you but its okay if you and others want to keep up the misinformation. The podcast have had a good deal of negative stuff about Bonus Ball in them so what would one expect really, if you took all the podcast and edited the Bonus Ball stuff together you would have over a solid hour and believe me it is not positive.

I do believe it had something to do with the lack of communication because when someone goes out and publicly says negative things about your endeavor then why would you want to chit chat? You are the one who cherry picks, haha, look at one of your last few responses where you quote 1 sentence out of 20! Oh and cherry picking, I answered your question about who was talking about barring players and showed you your own video so where was your response to that?

 

[Fast Lenny]

Justin, I listen to what you are saying and responded, the us vs them has to go you are right but Bonus Ball never made it like that. They just did their own thing and it was taken as us vs them which it certainly is not, the players were given the choices and it seems some are not happy with that. Oh well, you cannot please everyone and not everyone will support what you believe in either, I am okay with that. I really do not care as much as I did in the past because the tide of support has turned and many can see what is going on, pool politics.

 

[Kid Dynomite]

The forum is important to me as are the members and I support what I feel is good in pool just like I have always supported TAR, Accu-Stats and the promoters and events in the past. I do not recall Bonus Ball ever making it us versus them at all, but it certainly has been painted up as such. I cannot believe people actually say this is bad for the players or could turn out badly for them along with talks about barring them from future events, that is pitiful and petty. What I see at play is the typical egos in pool which need to be set aside for the future of pool and the pro players.

Lenny,

What happens if Southern Classic goes away? lets say it has a bad year this year and LOW attendance due to fans not being able to plan accordingly to attend? Bonus Ball double booking 36 of the best players and refusing to COMMUNICATE was the ultimate reason it did poorly? By bonus balls actions bonus ball has made it an us versus them scenario!!

The threats were not threats but statements of fact. A promoter is not going to continue funding a losing venture. The casino is evaluating the Southern Classic and NO ONE can deny that! A first year slump the casino can understand and be explained away. But, a second year slump is the kiss of death! Offers of expansion do exist and a great turn out could be just what the casino needs to push them over the edge in favor of supporting POOL.

The above details are common knowledge and explained in communications with the players and fans on here. The promoter is trying to tell the players not to put all their eggs in one basket. Telling them to insist on the ability to attend Southern, So, the players have the Casino pool tour they are working on as a plan B.

Nathan has his plan B to get the camera equipment if or when bonus ball stops existing. I am certain you have your plan B as well. But, to eliminate the plan B for the players all together by double booking plan B, is mean an harmful to the players and the sport.

kd

 

[APA BRIAN]

http://youtu.be/nrFwJEurC0Q

Pure Gold. And Bonus Ball is to thank.

 

[Poolshootindon]

The Sky is Falling !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lenny,

What happens if Southern Classic goes away? lets say it has a bad year this year and LOW attendance due to fans not being able to plan accordingly to attend? Bonus Ball double booking 36 of the best players and refusing to COMMUNICATE was the ultimate reason it did poorly? By bonus balls actions bonus ball has made it an us versus them scenario!!

The threats were not threats but statements of fact. A promoter is not going to continue funding a losing venture. The casino is evaluating the Southern Classic and NO ONE can deny that! A first year slump the casino can understand and be explained away. But, a second year slump is the kiss of death! Offers of expansion do exist and a great turn out could be just what the casino needs to push them over the edge in favor of supporting POOL.

The above details are common knowledge and explained in communications with the players and fans on here. The promoter is trying to tell the players not to put all their eggs in one basket. Telling them to insist on the ability to attend Southern, So, the players have the Casino pool tour they are working on as a plan B.

Nathan has his plan B to get the camera equipment if or when bonus ball stops existing. I am certain you have your plan B as well. But, to eliminate the plan B for the players all together iby double booking plan B, is mean an harmful to the players and the sport.

kd

KD... Lets all let the next few weeks play out and see what effect/affect (if any) this scheduling conflict has on the attendance of both players and fans.

If taking away 36 players is going to cause these events to fail then Pool really does have a serious problem.

(IF) is a big word for such few letters.

Don :smile:

 

[Roger Long]

Oh and if you think Bonus Ball is not more difficult and skillful then 8, 9 or 10 ball then I do not know what to tell you, ask the players what they think about its difficulty level compared to other games. Some people do not think one pocket and banks are pool either, its subjective.

Well, Lenny, I hate to tell you this, but they're NOT pool. Neither is 8-ball, 9-ball, and 10-ball. The only real pool is 14.1. And real pool players would never wear jerseys, cargo pants, or v-neck T's...only tuxedos.

Roger

 

[jay helfert]

Lenny this is what I am talking about. Who is threatening to bar players?

Daz was told by Jay since he backed out of a side event he committed to he may not get invited to that side event next year. Thats not barring him thats looking out for the event. If someone stops showing up for BB matches what would BB do? When someone commits to something they certainly have the right to change their mind just as the person they committed to can decide it might not be a good idea to rely on that person in the future. Edit to add: Hopefully if this is the stance in Daz's case it is the stance in all similar cases as well. If its not then I'm with you that its not right. Hopefully everyone can relax and work it out.

If you do a side event with 16 spots available and 16 guys commit but two change their minds they probably are not going to be in the first 16 invited next year. Thats not malice or petty thats common sense. Making it sound like people are calling players saying "If you dont show you are barred" is the type of inflammatory stuff I am talking about that does nothing but piss everyone off and make things worse.

There are people out there talking about taking a hard line. I and others are telling people when asked to just ride it out and work something out in the future. Maybe you do not believe that but I am dead serious when I say this us vs them shit is bad and could do some real damage to all parties. Everyone needs to chill out with it and remember that at the end of the day BB or not everyone is probably going to have to work together sooner or later at one tournament or another.

As to Bonus Ball I dont base my judgements on what others think. I just stated I don't like it. Some people do. Awesome for them. If the players dig it all the better.

Thanks Justin for clarifying my position for those who are not so gifted at communication. I have no say in what other promoters do! PERIOD! I may have some input if they ask me but that's about it. I do have a lot of say in the Bigfoot Challenge, an event I helped create and run. What I told Darren Appleton is that he may not be invited to future events if he drops out now. He is now an alternate and has gone to the back of the line for future Bigfoot Challenges. I hope that clears that up. He isn't off the list, he just loses his favorable position.

Yes, he has a choice about where and when he will play. And we have a choice about who we will invite to an Invitational event, just like you do at TAR. This same standard will apply to other players who have previously committed to playing in the Bigfoot Challenge in Tunica. So I'm not singling out Darren here.

As far as Bonus Ball is concerned I really don't give a damn anymore, after all the bullshit I've heard on here from the spokespeople. What a piss poor way to run a new business, running off most of your best customers. Especially after they stated it was one of their goals to garner a large online PPV audience. I have lost whatever respect I had for the organizers and operators of this league. To compound that with a deliberate attempt (that will fail) to undermine an event put on by one of my best friends in the billiard community (actually two of them) only irritated me further. I have a great deal of respect for Greg Sullivan and to see what was happening and what was being said did not go over well with me.

So yes, I will make my position crystal clear to Lenny, to Nathan and to anyone else who wants to know. I AM NOT A SUPPORTER OF BONUS BALL. They have lost my support and they earned it!

 

[The Saw]

Justin, I listen to what you are saying and responded, the us vs them has to go you are right but Bonus Ball never made it like that. They just did their own thing and it was taken as us vs them which it certainly is not, the players were given the choices and it seems some are not happy with that. Oh well, you cannot please everyone and not everyone will support what you believe in either, I am okay with that. I really do not care as much as I did in the past because the tide of support has turned and many can see what is going on, pool politics.

I've been around pool and pro players for a long time, the BB naysayers don't like the game because they don't like the game itself. I hear the same story from people whether its on here, the poolroom, or Facebook so don't say its "pool politics", its simply people saying what they think, and that's among a top to the bottom of the game sample. Then throw in all of the delays and laying the players off for a few months. Here you have players from across the globe that packed in their normal lives, paid their own way to move their lives to Vegas only to lay them off and put them in limbo. That's fine for some of the players who have a regular stream of income outside of BB but completely blows for those who don't (which is a pretty sizeable portion of them). I've often disagreed with JAM on the "dancing monkeys" thing over the years but in this case the shoe fits.

 

[Blue Hog ridr]

Primats De Danse you say.

Recognize anyone, I think I see Earl.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ2nVL1-XFk

 

[JCIN]

Justin, I listen to what you are saying and responded, the us vs them has to go you are right but Bonus Ball never made it like that. They just did their own thing and it was taken as us vs them which it certainly is not, the players were given the choices and it seems some are not happy with that. Oh well, you cannot please everyone and not everyone will support what you believe in either, I am okay with that. I really do not care as much as I did in the past because the tide of support has turned and many can see what is going on, pool politics.

You cop out on the lies BB has put out by saying people calling them on it are just playing politics. People who comment on how horribly run and organized it has been only say that because they hate BB right? Is it not possible that it has been such an epic demonstration in the art of the clusterfvck that people can't just be amazed by it?

How's that PPV doing? You convert all 10,000 of those first night viewers over to paid customers?

 

[Roger Long]

I know this will not be a comparison of apples to apples - as a matter of fact, it will be more like comparing an pear to a truck load of grapefruit - but here goes, anyway.

I've been in this business, in one form or another, for longer than any of the national amateur league championships have been around. Every summer business slows down. It was already that way before, but after the BCA, the APA, the VNEA, the ACS, and TAP all started holding annual events, it got even worse. Now, every summer, my league customers all take their business on cue repairs and accessories to Vegas as a part of their overall "experience" there.

I guess I could take the attitude that this isn't right. Wasn't I "supporting" my customers with my goods and services long before those national league organizations came along? Shouldn't my customers recognize that fact and be loyal to me? Don't they know that they are adversely affecting my pocketbook? Maybe when they come back to town and need something from me, I should just tell them to go find those wonderful vendors they dealt with in Vegas, because they have now hurt my business and I think they should be punished for it.

Or maybe I could get on these forums and wage daily campaigns aimed at tearing apart the national league organizations. After all, aren't they the ones who are really at fault for hurting my business? They should realize that they are not only hurting my business, but also hurting the businesses of many other billiard retailers and cue repair shops all across the country, and therefore should not be allowing vendors to set up shop at their venues.

Yes, maybe I could take that attitude. But then, wouldn't that be a ridiculous attitude to take? Well, as ridiculous as that attitude is, it is that very attitude that I am seeing some people take here.

The thing that I, and everyone else, need to realize is that free enterprise, and the right to compete, still exists. It is also still the right of consumers to chose where they want to spend their time and money, and for those of us who are in business, those consumers are the players; whether they be pro players, tournament players, league players, or recreational players. And I don't think the players (consumers) can ever be expected to do business with us out of loyalty alone. Instead, we should probably expect them to do business wherever they feel they will get the best deal for themselves.

Like it or not, that's what I feel is going on in this debate of "Right or Wrong." Just keep in mind that we will never realize any real progress in this sport until we learn that we can't herd birds.

Maybe this comparison was more apples-to-apples after all.

Roger

 

[Kid Dynomite]

I know this will not be a comparison of apples to apples - as a matter of fact, it will be more like comparing an pear to a truck load of grapefruit - but here goes, anyway.

The thing that I, and everyone else, need to realize is that free enterprise, and the right to compete, still exists. It is also still the right of consumers to chose where they want to spend their time and money, and for those of us who are in business, those consumers are the players; whether they be pro players, tournament players, league players, or recreational players. And I don't think the players (consumers) can ever be expected to do business with us out of loyalty alone. Instead, we should probably expect them to do business wherever they feel they will get the best deal for themselves..

Maybe this comparison was more apples-to-apples after all.

Roger

Not apples to apples!

Consumer choice is not the issue! pro players get paid! No money involved then apples to apples.

Consumers have no up side! No pay check!

Kd

Sent from my XT907 using Tapatalk 2

 

[cookie man]

Yes it makes perfect sense to accommodate another competing businessman in the industry costing you thousands of dollars in the process along with the players who would rather have a paycheck for that week not being paid either. People do it all the time in other industries so its a very logical thing to do.

Jay, Bonus Ball will not affect the turnouts like some of you are projecting so I am not sure why you and others are sweating it so hard, it looks really bad actually especially the arguments which make little sense. No one is going to cost themselves thousands of dollars to benefit another promoter and their business, because what would be the benefit to Bonus Ball by doing so?, good PR or something?

I would not have a problem with all the pissing and moaning on here if it was after the tournament and there was a poor turnout but that has not happened yet and most likely will not. So all of this bashing is really in poor taste and not yet truly warranted. I personally messaged the players who are off that week for my buddy Chris from California Billiard Club and his big upcoming tournament, I believe he will have a better pro turnout then last year as will the BCA events. As for Tunica that event is still an infant compared to Derby so who knows how that will go or what to expect but I wish it well.

Bonus Ball has accommodated the players greatly by allowing them to have a choice to play in what they like and if they pass up going to an event then what does that tell you about the event for that player? Obviously financially it is a poor choice for them and others will be going because they want to gamble and take a shot at the pay off and feel they can win, the others will take the sure money. For the players or pawns as you called them, I believe they are thrilled to have a choice even if the promoters and those attached to them are unhappy about it and would rather be the only game in town.

Darren Appleton who is a well respected player at the top of his game came on here and spoke and if you think his opinion is the minority then you are not in the know or maybe you really do know this. Most of the players I have spoke to feel much the same about it. They really believe in it and want it to work, they want change in the industry. Are they apprehensive, sure they are because of the years of BS in the past they have been subjected to in this industry. If this does not work out I feel bad for the players period and hope that those of you in the old guard can figure it out since you all know what will apparently.

I would like to start hearing solutions on how to hand pro players a legit paycheck outside of what Bonus Ball is doing currently because the tournament trail for the past 30 years is just another form of gambling. People wonder why pool players go and play poker tournaments because there is more money, less expenses, less skill factor and so on, but what is the same is you pay an entry fee and gamble on getting some good rolls and winning getting odds on the money. Ten guys win cash and a hundred losers get to tell their bad beat story at the end of it all so its not the best way to make a living.

You can say my opinion is biased or whatever but I can say the same about you and other posters on here who are making money with the promoters and events they are defending. One thing that is different is I will not bash those events I have enjoyed and do appreciate they have put money in the players pockets for years but does it really work for all involved, not really.

I have no problem though being straightforward about it and my position, I honestly feel its best for the players and so do most of them. I also love all the old events and the great pool we have been lucky to see. Those events will continue on even if Bonus Ball takes off because there are plenty of players not playing Bonus Ball and plenty who have the week off to play events or can choose to take off.

Nobody would even know these bonus ball players if it weren't for these other tournaments. Yes the events will continue and BB if it survives will continue to take players. That's a good thing as long as everyone works together.

 

[dynamite]

Thanks Justin for clarifying my position for those who are not so gifted at communication. I have no say in what other promoters do! PERIOD! I may have some input if they ask me but that's about it. I do have a lot of say in the Bigfoot Challenge, an event I helped create and run. What I told Darren Appleton is that he may not be invited to future events if he drops out now. He is now an alternate and has gone to the back of the line for future Bigfoot Challenges. I hope that clears that up. He isn't off the list, he just loses his favorable position.

Yes, he has a choice about where and when he will play. And we have a choice about who we will invite to an Invitational event, just like you do at TAR. This same standard will apply to other players who have previously committed to playing in the Bigfoot Challenge in Tunica. So I'm not singling out Darren here.

As far as Bonus Ball is concerned I really don't give a damn anymore, after all the bullshit I've heard on here from the spokespeople. What a piss poor way to run a new business, running off most of your best customers. Especially after they stated it was one of their goals to garner a large online PPV audience. I have lost whatever respect I had for the organizers and operators of this league. To compound that with a deliberate attempt (that will fail) to undermine an event put on by one of my best friends in the billiard community (actually two of them) only irritated me further. I have a great deal of respect for Greg Sullivan and to see what was happening and what was being said did not go over well with me.

So yes, I will make my position crystal clear to Lenny, to Nathan and to anyone else who wants to know. I AM NOT A SUPPORTER OF BONUS BALL. They have lost my support and they earned it!

Jay you told me I probably not get invited to all future Bigfoot challenges ..
It's whatever far as am concerned .. It's your tournament I guess and u add the 18k so u can organize and invite whoever u want .. And you said bonus ball will fail to me also ..

It's difficult to call it invitational tournament when 1k entry and least 25% of the field every year are amateur players ..

Many of your superstar player friends dropped out in past but played the next tournament.

Why did these guys drop out in past ?my guess nobody knows or cares ..
This is all about bonus ball and your bitterness towards it so now u trying to set a example and take it out on the players ..

Everything's blown out of proportion as usual. The great southern classic lost around 8-12 guys that would normally play due to bonus ball and probably around 4-6 guys that would play Bigfoot .. But am sure you will get least 4-6 new guys to replace them.. Esp with all players coming from overseas.

As for loyalty i entered as many Bigfoot/fatboy 1k challenges as anybody else so in your eyes every pool player in the world got no loyalty .

Well least at derby city 2014 I can focus on the all around

Good luck with the tournament .

Darren

 

[JumpinJoe]

Jay you told me I probably not get invited to all future Bigfoot challenges ..
It's whatever far as am concerned .. It's your tournament I guess and u add the 18k so u can organize and invite whoever u want .. And you said bonus ball will fail to me also ..

It's difficult to call it invitational tournament when 1k entry and least 25% of the field every year are amateur players ..

Many of your superstar player friends dropped out in past but played the next tournament.

Why did these guys drop out in past ?my guess nobody knows or cares ..
This is all about bonus ball and your bitterness towards it so now u trying to set a example and take it out on the players ..

Everything's blown out of proportion as usual. The great southern classic lost around 8-12 guys that would normally play due to bonus ball and probably around 4-6 guys that would play Bigfoot .. But am sure you will get least 4-6 new guys to replace them.. Esp with all players coming from overseas.

As for loyalty i entered as many Bigfoot/fatboy 1k challenges as anybody else so in your eyes every pool player in the world got no loyalty .

Well least at derby city 2014 I can focus on the all around

Good luck with the tournament .

Darren

In another thread (about pin yi ko or whomever)
you said they were 3 of your top 8 cash players. Please go to that thread and answer the simple question asked. There was a few questions like, who are your top 8? Why? And what makes em the top 8?

Thanks

 

[KoolKat9Lives]

Who's winning?