With all due respect CJ Wiley

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nothing is "free" in this world that's worth anything, especially time

Big difference is Mark DID NOT post 1000 threads selling his book. In fact he didn't post A SINGLE ONE!!!!

Yes people should be able to sell things on AZ. If only we had a separate forum for things people wanted to buy or sell. That would make things simpler now wouldn't it.

Most of my posts are about road stories, instructional techniques, systems and ways to play the Game better. I have not charged anyone for my time and I spend hundreds of hours responding to questions and comments on Face Book and AZ.

My DVDs have resulted from a demand for more information, and that's why the 'Touch of Inside' (TOI) and the TIP Banking System was made.....of course there's money involved in making them, nothing is "free" in this world that's worth anything, there's always a cost to doing business. Time is the most valuable asset any of us have, and can share....my goals are long term oriented, so I have years to recuperate my overall expenses.
 
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Most of my posts are about road stories, instructional techniques, systems and ways to play the Game better. I have not charged anyone for my time and I spend hundreds of hours responding to questions and comments on Face Book and AZ.

Every single post you make is hawking your wares. Look at your sig. "This weekends specials." That's been there for weeks. Your half off been there even longer.
 
Most of my posts are about road stories, instructional techniques, systems and ways to play the Game better. I have not charged anyone for my time and I spend hundreds of hours responding to questions and comments on Face Book and AZ.

My DVDs have resulted from a demand for more information, and that's why the 'Touch of Inside' (TOI) and the TIP Banking System was made.....of course there's money involved in making them, nothing is "free" in this world that's worth anything, there's always a cost to doing business. Time is the most valuable asset any of us have, and can share....my goals are long term oriented, so I have years to recuperate my overall expenses.

Don't get sucked in the negative vortex. You have great stories that are fun to read.
Your not peddling your stuff by answering questions with "Want the answer, buy my shit."
The story about the guy that liked the dirty talk was the best.
I'll be getting my earl video soon, thanks for making that.
 
The guy that liked the "dirty talk" was Cletus, at the RACK in Detroit.

Don't get sucked in the negative vortex. You have great stories that are fun to read.
Your not peddling your stuff by answering questions with "Want the answer, buy my shit."
The story about the guy that liked the dirty talk was the best.
I'll be getting my earl video soon, thanks for making that.

What a strange "vortex" it is, more like the Twilight Zone....I could never imagine in a million years getting upset about {someone} posting pool stories on a pool forum.

The guy that liked the "dirty talk" was Cletus, at the RACK in Detroit...here's the story:

After I beat the guy with "The Stick" I went to THE RACK (the hottest gambling pool room in the country) and this is what happened later that night, which make it a very eventful day (to say the least)......I posted this (in the Rack thread) a couple of days ago, but it is chronological and happened later that night.


That same night I did go straight to THE RACK. I was on a table practicing and Johnny Ross (a notorious pool hustler) came up to me and motioned me over to the side. He leaned over with his hand over his mouth like a used car salesman getting ready to offer me "the deal of the century."

"We got a game for you tonight!" Johnny whispered, "with a guy named Cletus....it's playing one pocket, but the guy plays like old people f*%#...we'll (the local corporation) stake you and give you 30%, but he'll bet really high, we may win 30 to 40k!"

"30%, wtf, you got to be kidding, I won't play for less than 40%"

"That's the deal, sh*t the fu*%in house takes 10% - take it or leave it, it's sure action though, but there's one "catch".....you gotta talk really nasty to this sick freak or he won't want to gamble with you."

"So let me get this straight, I gotta play for 30% AND talk nasty to this guy, what kind of sick f*c%in joke is this, Johnny?"

Just then the front door was opened (you had to get "buzzed" in) and in walks this huge unshaven man that looked just like Brutus in the Popeye comics. He looked around glaring at the room, with a twisted smile trying to form under his three day stubbly beard. This guy looked like the poster guy for a prison movie.... Shaw-shank Perversion' or something like that.

"That's him, do you want to play or not?" Johnny's raspy voice sent shivers down my spine, or maybe it was the thought of talking dirty to Brutus...I mean Cletus.

"Ok, but what the heck do I say to this sicko?" the was the most awkward I'd felt before matching up with anyone in my life.

"Come on, just follow my lead"....I followed Johnny Ross over to where Brutus....I mean Cletus was standing. Johnny marched right up to him and said "what are you doing in here you sleezy piece of sh%* I thought the trash came in and out of the back door".....Cletus looked at Johnny menacingly, then broke into a big grin. "Johnny Ross, my dream cell mate, hope you brought plenty of lube if we're going to gamble tonight".

Johnny said "I got a little kid that'll play your sorry ass some one hole"....nodding at me....I took my cue and said "yeah, you dirty motha fu%$a I got something for you that Ajax won't take off"......I pulled it off, but my heart was pounding under my leather jacket. I"m not sure what else I said, and I'm glad, sometimes in my line of "work" you had to act....and this part was certainly just an act....and fortunately I'd never be in this situation again.

Cletus looked at me and growled "you look just like the brother of a 16 year old girl I used to date....had to date her for 3 years just to f#*% her little brother.....and he looked just like you"......I tried not to put any images to his words, but the important thing was I KNEW he would play me now. Johnny gave me the "it's george" sign and the game was on.

And play me he did, I gave him 9/4 and his scratches don't count for $900 a game starting out and $18,000 later he looked like the blood had been drained out of him. They gave me my $5000 ( the time was $1800, they didn't charge by the hour, with guys like Cletus they took 10% for the "house") Brutal - to this day that's the most I've ever been charged for pool time. But when you're betting thousands against a guy like Cletus it really didn't matter, it was just a "cost of doing business".

They walked Cletus out the door and safely to his car (he still had 20k).

I ask Johnny "I wonder where he's going now?"

Johnny, without hesitation barked "he'll go hire a LIMO and three hookers and they'll drive him around Detroit, handcuffed, like he's been kidnapped, one will have a gun to his head and other two will be whipping him and calling him every filthy name they can think of"......"and I imagine Cletus will be like a kid taking a tour of a candy store," I whispered under my breath.

.....just another day at the office for Brutus - I mean Cletus - the dirtiest, stinkiest, sleaziest pool sucker on earth, that also played for tens of thousands of dollars at a Game called pool. I never would have believed it if I hadn't been there and seen it with my own eyes....what a world.

I felt a little bit guilty at the end of that long day beating sick ole Cletus out of that 18k.... NOT, ----I was Pumped up with $6400 and ready to "play anyone at the Rack for all they could Stack"...well, within reason. 'The Rack was the Teacher'
 
Most of my posts are about road stories, instructional techniques, systems and ways to play the Game better. I have not charged anyone for my time and I spend hundreds of hours responding to questions and comments on Face Book and AZ.

My DVDs have resulted from a demand for more information, and that's why the 'Touch of Inside' (TOI) and the TIP Banking System was made.....of course there's money involved in making them, nothing is "free" in this world that's worth anything, there's always a cost to doing business. Time is the most valuable asset any of us have, and can share....my goals are long term oriented, so I have years to recuperate my overall expenses.

You are seriously starting to believe your own BS.

Here CJ: The last 8 out of 10 threads you started in the main forum were just plugs. I don't care if you are honest with your self or not, I don't have to live with you. But don't insult our intelligence with BS. Thank you.
The ones related to your items or the million dollar challenge are in bold.


1) Pro Player Max Eberle recalls....
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=346832
2) Jay Helfert Million $ tD
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=346921
3) Joe Rogan thread
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=346335

4) Mosconi cup - ok this one is not about something that happened in 1996
5)Looking Back on Billiards - Was the $1,000,000 Challenge Pro Pool's BIG Chance???
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=344928

6)Rodney Morris challenge - ok not this one
7) Jay Helfert - 'The Million Dollar Tournament Director"
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=343668
8)Jimmy Mataya - Great Pool Commentator, or the Greatest of All Time?
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=343601
9)Pool's "Million Dollar Miracle" Documentary Coming Soon - The Untold Story
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=343490
10)Holiday Special on DVDs 50% OFF and the "29 Balls in One Pocket Cue"
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=343492


Moreso, you have 18 individual threads you started in the for sale section since december 1st alone! why not just have one thread and bump it every 2 days like everyone else.

If you think for one moment you are not at least stretching the rules for your own benefit that your are a mental midget.

My brain tells me to just never open anything CJ related again. Tempting, but If by participating in these arguments saves one innocent person or noob then it will be all worth it.

Congrats on having some people fooled. Now go back to begging for sales buddy, you big movie biz person.
slamming mic on the ground-peace
 
what does all this have to do with anything

c j has been very gentle ,informative and helpful

why complain about him

i suggest another contest
whoever post the best positive story about him,or even an interesting pool story wins a free case from me

lets turn this around

can we actually say something nice about somebody who has done so much for pool

best positive post wins

dean
 
.It's Flattering and a bit Disturbing

My brain tells me to just never open anything CJ related again. Tempting, but If by participating in these arguments saves one innocent person or noob then it will be all worth it.

Congrats on having some people fooled. Now go back to begging for sales buddy, you big movie biz person.
slamming mic on the ground-peace

Maybe you should consider listening to your own brain.
 
Speaking of Half Off. I was at the mall on Saturday, I passed a shop that had a sign, Women's Clothes, Half Off.

So I went inside. Man, was I ever disappointed.

CJ pays the rent with some good posts.

Not disputing that Paul. A pretty diverse membership on this site. I would say that the majority of members pay the rent. If they didn't, this place would be pretty boring in approx 10 minutes.

This site, being what it is, allows CJ and others to be here and sell their wares, not the other way around. I click on certain threads and skip others.

A person that benefits more from this site should contribute more. Not saying that he doesn't. Just that no one should ever forget that the major traffic this site gets is due to the membership and not because of one or two sellers who may tell the odd story once in a while or happen to cause more trouble in general than 20 members could. Don't forget your Roots or Bite the Hand That Feeds You.


I remember a year or so ago, there were a few power sellers in the Sales Forum. They seldom or never wandered astray of that Forum unless it was to sell something in another Forum.

No Banners, contributions of any sort, zero. When the Owners made a few changes to the Sales Forum, that hindered the Power Sellers abilities to Bump and Hammer 24/7.

Guess what, took all of one week for them to disappear. Pretty easy to figure out who the User, Abusers were.

Just my Nickels worth cause we don't have pennies in CanuckVille any more.
 
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I think Tweeten should compensate the descendents of Betsy Ross...
.....or go back to pre-flag Masters.
I'm thinking of exclusively using Triangle from now on.

pt....thinks there aren't enough chalk threads
 
Maybe you should consider listening to your own brain.

So you choose to pass up his evidence showing you that you're wrong to quote that? Deflect more. You ignore the real issues, claiming you are providing useful information. Your stories are just twisted ways to advertise your products.
 
FREE OF CHARGE - 24 Hours a Day - 7 Days a Week

Every single post you make is hawking your wares. Look at your sig. "This weekends specials." That's been there for weeks. Your half off been there even longer.

Actually the package that is "This Weekend's Special" just went up Yesterday. It's the Million Dollar Challenge Package and they are literally "hot off the presses". ;)

Am I the only one with advertising in my signature line? .....really?

I have had a full time banner on the first page of AZ for 16 months......is this ok, or is it not proper to support the forum and their expenses. We all have expenses, and the way to create value is to provide a product that's worth MORE than the money you receive in return.......we actually do this 100%, and to make sure we go over and beyond the call of duty I answer any and all questions about pool to the general "pool public" - FREE OF CHARGE 24 Hours a Day - 7 Days a Week - 'The Game is Our Teacher'
 
Have you ever tried Texas Chalk?

I think Tweeten should compensate the descendents of Betsy Ross...
.....or go back to pre-flag Masters.
I'm thinking of exclusively using Triangle from now on.

pt....thinks there aren't enough chalk threads

Have you ever tried Texas Chalk? It's not Better, it's just Bigger. :D

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Am I the only one with advertising in my signature line? .....really?


Why not become an AZBilliards sponsor and buy some official ad space on this forum? This should satisfy everyone's concerns. ;)


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Actually the package that is "This Weekend's Special" just went up Yesterday. It's the Million Dollar Challenge Package and they are literally "hot off the presses". ;)

Am I the only one with advertising in my signature line? .....really?

I have had a full time banner on the first page of AZ for 16 months......is this ok, or is it not proper to support the forum and their expenses. We all have expenses, and the way to create value is to provide a product that's worth MORE than the money you receive in return.......we actually do this 100%, and to make sure we go over and beyond the call of duty I answer any and all questions about pool to the general "pool public" - FREE OF CHARGE 24 Hours a Day - 7 Days a Week - 'The Game is Our Teacher'

And having a banner is the proper way to advertise your wares. And that particular 'sale' may have been edited yesterday, but how many variants of that same sale have existed? In that same spot, in the same color of font. Coming to the forums to create threads to do the sale thing that banner is designed to do is called spam. Imagine if I opened the paper up, banner ad on the first page. Next page an article talking about that add, then the same on the next page and so on. You'd get annoyed. That's where we are with the forums. I've become actually pissed at seeing you respond to threads. Because I know that you've just hijacked the current discussion topic to hawk your wares.

Stop signing your posts with 'the game is the teacher' that's what your sig space is for. Not hawking your wares. You want to tell me that other people are advertising their wares in their sigs? Where's their banner ad? Oh wait, they don't have one. Where's their spamming of posts talking about their wares? Oh wait, they don't make them. Don't compare yourself to the others CJ, you aren't them, and you're abusing your position of trust of the forum members.
 
yáll do realize that this is futile, right?

the opposite of LOVE, is INDIFFERENCE.

GOOD attention/BAD attention - it's still ATTENTION.

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or go back to Pre-Flag Masters.
I invested heavily in Pre Flag a few years ago.

I hope there is such a thing as reincarnation cause I think I may have more than a life time supply.

Bury me on the Lone Prairie, with my boots on, my cue and Pre Flag.
 
I wonder if the banners actually work, nobody notices we have one every day

Why not become an AZBilliards sponsor and buy some official ad space on this forum? This should satisfy everyone's concerns. ;)


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Yes, wouldn't that be clever. I wonder if the banners actually work, nobody seems to see that we have one on the front page every day.

I've been ask lately why I use 'The Game is the Teacher', and what does it mean?"

When I look back at my life Pocket Billiards has been my teacher and I learned to relate many things in my life to pool. I think many of us can "build a bridge" between games, sports or activities that we love to life....and the lessons we've learned about competition, passion, humility, dedication, patience, socializing, fear of success, fear of failure, victory, defeat, ego, confidence, management, systems and controls, checks and balances, love, peace, contentment: 'The Game is the Teacher'
 
Just pay for a freakin' ad on Azb!

He does pay for ads here.

The argument is about "advertising" in the Main Forum, something that there are rules against. That rule is bent by individuals often, to varying degrees. This issue at hand is whether CJ is abusing his privileges here or not.

Again, I would assume that Mike and Jerry are aware of this issue, and must be ok with how CJ operates here, else they would have stopped him by now.

If folks have an issue, they need to use the "report" button to bring it directly to their attention. The rest is standard forum arguing.
 
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