ABR Special Report - French Press Conference
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700 PPV viewers is not easy. The TAR matches couldnt get 500. Had he gotten 700 PPV(early buyers), I think the match would've still went on.
Even then, There are other expenses such as paying the streamer, room, etc.
I understand theirs door entry money and VIP seating money too.
I watched Dennis play a bank pool gambling match against Shannon Murphy late at night upstairs in the action area. Dennis won.
If you're the employee being sent to work on a trip, or if you're the employer sending an employee to work, wouldn't you want some sort of expenses records?
If you were staking someone, wouldn't you make sure to tally up all expenses such as entry fees, room costs, etc...? Or having some sort of records?
ALL of the expenses for Derby do not tally up to $6500.
If you were staking someone, wouldn't you make sure to tally up all expenses such as entry fees, room costs, etc...? Or having some sort of records?
ALL of the expenses for Derby do not tally up to $6500.
I remember that about the Ko brothers. Their English is not good either! And since they had no money for DCC and had not even been able to get the 10k for the match together... they were easy targets for French. Therefore, it would be nice to hear about possible signed contracts between French and Shaw and French and Morra! I cannot believe for one second either of these two would have signed the contract in question.
Maybe Jay Helfert can get to the bottom of this too!?
Shane and Dennis
I stayed with Dennis at DCC and I don't know everything either but know a lot. Almost everything I've read on here is inaccurate. I listened to the podcast and listened to numerous phone calls between Sword brothers, Dennis , and French.
Dennis told me he never received any money from the Shane and Dennis match. He only got $650 out of the Ko match and he told me me he found out French bet around $5k on Dennis through Internet, over phone, etc that he never told Dennis about. Then he signs Ko brothers halfway through the match. He called Dennis 10 times an hour at Derby begging Dennis to go eat, go gamble in casino and Dennis just wanted away from him.
French owes a good friend of mine $13,000 and he gave him a $1,500 cue and thinks they are even because French says it's worth $13k. He lies about everything and so often he believes his own lies. That's my version believe what you want but I have no reason to lie.
I stayed with Dennis at DCC and I don't know everything either but know a lot. Almost everything I've read on here is inaccurate. I listened to the podcast and listened to numerous phone calls between Sword brothers, Dennis , and French.
Dennis told me he never received any money from the Shane and Dennis match. He only got $650 out of the Ko match and he told me me he found out French bet around $5k on Dennis through Internet, over phone, etc that he never told Dennis about. Then he signs Ko brothers halfway through the match. He called Dennis 10 times an hour at Derby begging Dennis to go eat, go gamble in casino and Dennis just wanted away from him.
French owes a good friend of mine $13,000 and he gave him a $1,500 cue and thinks they are even because French says it's worth $13k. He lies about everything and so often he believes his own lies. That's my version believe what you want but I have no reason to lie.
Obviously everyone on the forum is basing their opinions on Dennis's interview and French's interview and trying to figure out what stories appear to be the most plausible. The big issue for forum members is the fact that the amount in the middle was not disclosed in the match that we purchased the PPV for and made bets on. Dennis is still guilty on that count, of knowingly covering up what they were playing for.
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It appears that Manny and Upstate Al are getting off the hook. They need to fess up as to what they knew and when or they have as much guilt as anyone.
Wedge
It appears that Manny and Upstate Al are getting off the hook. They need to fess up as to what they knew and when or they have as much guilt as anyone.
Wedge
Considering they had a front row seat and are financially tied to the occurrences...this would be good and probably tip the scales in this he said - he said.
John French is bad for pool
I am not surprised.
Some folks here are just gullible and it is shocking that they are swallowing up wholesale John French version in his interview and taking that as gospel truth.
I have said before that John French is a snake oil salesman. Why?
The smoking gun and incriminating thing is the contract with Dennis which French posted few days ago.
Which interestingly, he has now conveniently removed http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=418324
There should be copy of it somewhere on internet
Folks should read and reread that contract. It was signed in Oct2015 when they were still on good terms and before this blowup between them
That contract basically says Dennis has to pay 50% of his earnings AND does not state that French has to do anything or pay for expenses etc. That contract basically shows that French had intention to deceive, cheat, rip off Dennis.
He may have paid for Dennis expenses etc. but may stop paying at any time since he is not obligated to pay in the contract. Furthermore, there is clause in contract that Dennis has to pay for 50% of certain expenses etc and French can use this clause to claim 50% of expenses he has paid
In ABR interview, David Bond pressed French whether he thinks 50% is too high now asnd French avoided the question (like he avoided question about why he took all credit on stream for Dennis/Ko match when he did not set it up)
It matters not whether Dennis read English or it was read out to him or whether he understood it. That contract was unenforceable because it is totally unfair and draconian. More importantly, the contract demonstrated that French had intention to cheat, deceive, defraud Dennis. This may be a chargeable offence if it happened in major sports like soccer, tennis, golf.
Both interviews are mostly "he said he said"
Obviously, each interview each of them will say nice things about themselves and everything against other guy. A lot of stuff said are unsubstantiated by third party or written records. Some stuff do not tally. Like French said he already paid $10K appearance to Dennis but Dennis has said he was not paid. French said Dennis was paid 40% of Dennis/Ko stream (which is likely speculation since he was not directly involved) while it was said that Dennis only receive $650 or $750
French said he paid Dennis $6500 for DCC but there is no third party confirmation or confirmation by Dennis on this.
French's brother , Kenny also said on internet that French has spent $100K already which sounds like another overblown number. French is crying over $6500 so why is he not crying over $100K on ABR if he actually spent that much
Bottomline, both French and Dennis may not be telling everything or whole truth. But the more slimy character is John French. That contract with Dennis showed he had intention to cheat, deceive, defraud. He should not be allowed to sign similar contracts with other players or represent players.
He is bad for pool.
I am not surprised.
Some folks here are just gullible and it is shocking that they are swallowing up wholesale John French version in his interview and taking that as gospel truth.
I have said before that John French is a snake oil salesman. Why?
The smoking gun and incriminating thing is the contract with Dennis which French posted few days ago.
Which interestingly, he has now conveniently removed http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=418324
There should be copy of it somewhere on internet
Folks should read and reread that contract. It was signed in Oct2015 when they were still on good terms and before this blowup between them
That contract basically says Dennis has to pay 50% of his earnings AND does not state that French has to do anything or pay for expenses etc. That contract basically shows that French had intention to deceive, cheat, rip off Dennis.
He may have paid for Dennis expenses etc. but may stop paying at any time since he is not obligated to pay in the contract. Furthermore, there is clause in contract that Dennis has to pay for 50% of certain expenses etc and French can use this clause to claim 50% of expenses he has paid
In ABR interview, David Bond pressed French whether he thinks 50% is too high now asnd French avoided the question (like he avoided question about why he took all credit on stream for Dennis/Ko match when he did not set it up)
It matters not whether Dennis read English or it was read out to him or whether he understood it. That contract was unenforceable because it is totally unfair and draconian. More importantly, the contract demonstrated that French had intention to cheat, deceive, defraud Dennis. This may be a chargeable offence if it happened in major sports like soccer, tennis, golf.
Both interviews are mostly "he said he said"
Obviously, each interview each of them will say nice things about themselves and everything against other guy. A lot of stuff said are unsubstantiated by third party or written records. Some stuff do not tally. Like French said he already paid $10K appearance to Dennis but Dennis has said he was not paid. French said Dennis was paid 40% of Dennis/Ko stream (which is likely speculation since he was not directly involved) while it was said that Dennis only receive $650 or $750
French said he paid Dennis $6500 for DCC but there is no third party confirmation or confirmation by Dennis on this.
French's brother , Kenny also said on internet that French has spent $100K already which sounds like another overblown number. French is crying over $6500 so why is he not crying over $100K on ABR if he actually spent that much
Bottomline, both French and Dennis may not be telling everything or whole truth. But the more slimy character is John French. That contract with Dennis showed he had intention to cheat, deceive, defraud. He should not be allowed to sign similar contracts with other players or represent players.
He is bad for pool.
I agree 100%. Covering this up anymore will hurt the PPV streamers more than it has already. I know I will not buy another stream from Al or Steinway for a long time. Johnnyt
If I bet on a horse in a horse race, do I send him a bale of hay or some money if he wins.
I have listened to both and was reading posts last week and the whole thing is slimy. Guy's were on the take. PPV scams. Crappy free internet contract with nothing but holes that his Lawyer took ' weeks to draw up'.
This reeks of slime and both sides and they got caught with their hands in the jar. DO is tarnished as well as the 'gambler' who knows nothing about the game....of pool that is.
Good rolls,
-Kat
This reeks of slime and both sides and they got caught with their hands in the jar. DO is tarnished as well as the 'gambler' who knows nothing about the game....of pool that is.
Good rolls,
-Kat
Do you really believe French put out $6500 for Orcullo? Can anyone else confirm that? Those are the words of French who has been caught in a lie about many other things.
And why are his numbers always an even amount ? $6500 for this. $10,000 for that. $100,000 invested over the past 6 months. More red flags to me.
Oh and the Ko's didn't sign anything. They got better advice than Dennis did.
I get jay is dennis buddy and I'm sure us a nice guy usually
But reality is he has had multiple occasions when he had disgraced himsrlf his opponent and the game
He is one of the best players in the world and acts like a pool hall junkie
Jury still out in French as he new to the scene so don't have enough context
However if a quarter of what he says is true which sounds like it is
Deceiving stream viewers his backer opponents etc
As much as we want to like dennis because of how well he plays the game he is simply a disgrace who can't be trusted
But reality is he has had multiple occasions when he had disgraced himsrlf his opponent and the game
He is one of the best players in the world and acts like a pool hall junkie
Jury still out in French as he new to the scene so don't have enough context
However if a quarter of what he says is true which sounds like it is
Deceiving stream viewers his backer opponents etc
As much as we want to like dennis because of how well he plays the game he is simply a disgrace who can't be trusted
See post #201 on the Shane vs. Dennis thread.
I can't keep up with all the threads. I told people yesterday they were stupid (to be blunt). Your post #201 today clarified some of what I was referring to.
Jay,
I read your post #201 in the other thread that recaps your long conversation with Dennis. I found it insightful and worthwhile. The emotional elements captured a sense of truth. I know some will say you are sticking up for a close friend, but I know how high you hold concepts like integrity, and know you posted your thoughts both squarely and straightforward after you heard from Dennis.
You are a great friend of Dennis, of the kind that rarely comes along in life, and he should be very appreciative of your ongoing friendship and counsel.
Will
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I agree with Will. Too bad Jay did not team up with Dennis on his decision making I do not personally know Jay but he seems like a very straight up person. Also, appears Dennis could have had ulterior motives regarding citizenship and his new buddy backing and dropping cash his way.
I want to believe the pool player, I want to believe French but have some serious problems with what we now know has transpired. How much of these 25k matches are exhibitions and are BS and a big rip off ? Bet there is allot more to all of this.
-Kat,
I want to believe the pool player, I want to believe French but have some serious problems with what we now know has transpired. How much of these 25k matches are exhibitions and are BS and a big rip off ? Bet there is allot more to all of this.
-Kat,