Do You Wish to Stake a Pro at Derby City?

Jerry,

Several players have come on here over the years and asked to be staked and were successful. Is there a specific reason why you are choosing to do this as opposed to telling them to get on here themselves?

I'm one of the people putting Bartram in the Bigfoot, he made a thread, people responded, and he is good to go.

Just curious.

And Larry NEVEL we put in last years U.S.Bar Table Open from on here when he came and asked.

Like 4 people put in. All went smooth. Larry did exactly as he promised.
I think if they are interested they should come on and ask, don't be ashamed.

Id pay the entry fee/buyback for a few guys in various events for perhaps 15-20%? Not getting into the expenses thing. Someone like Shane or Alex of course, i could work on less of a margin but im sure they aren't in the group asking.

Jerry Forsyth said:

Folks,

If anyone would like to get in on the action at Derby by being a stake-horse the opportunity is there. With the dearth of pool ahead players are looking to save on expenses any way possible. If you would like to stake a player at DCC please just post here or PM me with the following info:

1) What player or players would be of interest for you to stake?
2) What do you offer them? A) Hotel room B) Entry Fee C) Travel Expense D) ALL of this.
3) What do you want in return? For instance, do you want to stake a player to all of his expenses in exchange for 40% of his winnings in the event? That sort of thing. Just let me know the risk you are willing to take and what reward you wish for taking that risk.

I will contact the player and let them examine your answer and reply. Neither AZBilliards nor myself will expect or accept a fee for this service. It is free, just an opportunity for a willing buyer to meet a willing seller in an open marketplace.

PM me.

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Please call me...Very Interested
Joseph : 216-337-8002
Thank You

This is an ideal way of achieving a positive outcome.

Jerry Forsyth said:

Because I got this request from the other side of the equation. A stakehorse told me he has friends who might be interested in a sort of bidding process. And they are not that picky about which player. They know the players and know the odds of course so I am sure they would be willing to invest more in Efren Reyes or Bustamante or Archer than they would in someone who has never won a major.

He just wants me to get the conversation started and see where it goes. And since I see no harm in it I am also curious. Plus, some players would be embarrassed to come on here and ask for a stake as they fear being accused of looking for 'charity'. This way I can keep the whole deal confidential if that is what the parties wish or we can open someone up for bidding.

It is just something I felt AZB could do that could help some folks and I see no way it can harm anyone.

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This is an ideal way of achieving a positive outcome. The problem I've seen in the past is players that do ask for sponsorship end up getting analyzed on issues other than their playing record/history......this ends up being an unnecessary "character review".

This could be a great thing

Everyone just needs to be careful.
I would think that most backers have some personal knowledge of the guys they are backing.
Some well meaning people could get into some situations that they do not really understand.

Good luck with this, if it takes off.

SLIM

Not wanting to hijack the thread Jer (well maybe just alil but it is the perfect time to ask those players that are wanting to get staked to help us build a program that will help them reduce their expenses and need for backing at such events. Any player that is even close to good enough to be backed at national events really should ask their local club to become part of the American Rotation Championship Series which helps players save on expenses.

Our first national event was the day before the US Open right there in VA. We only had 8 players qualify but they were all guaranteed the $1k before they hit a ball which definitely helped with their Open expenses. This time we have 10 players qualified, the finals are right at DCC and I know ALL 10 guys are happy to be guaranteed that expense money for this trip.

What these players did to qualify was play 7 matches of rotation locally, within a 7 week time frame, at the cost of $25 per match. They then finished in the top 4 of the 8 players in their room and went on to a 4-16 player playoff where half the field won some money but the top 1 or 2 players earned spots at these national events. Yes they could have lost $175 total and if that's a problem, which sometime it is, that is a very good time to get a stakehorse, low risk and could get them to a national event.

I know players do not like asking for help, this Series could end up helping a lot of them in the long run. Pretty much all they have to do is play the 7 matches of POOL, pay the $175 all over the course of 7 weeks (very flexible) and win there way there.

A good stakehorse may even round up 4-8 players at their local club and stake all 8 for the same or less than what it is going to cost to stake 1 player at a typical national event?

Sadly I'm not putting my $ towards staking or Fundraisers any more.

barking4action said:

Sadly I'm not putting my $ towards staking or Fundraisers any more.

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Can you tell us more?

dabarbr said:

Can you tell us more?

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http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=336851

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=348145

Are you willing to deal with/cover if/when a stakehorse gets stiffed by a player? You are kind of putting yourself right in the middle of something that could go very far south very quickly.

Johnny Archer himself could not even deliver goods as promised that people bought and paid for in an auction. At this point there are very few players I would even trust to give the horse the return on their investment.

I can't tell you how disgusted I am in reading this thread. That there's a need for it, among professional players, is so terribly disheartening.

The best hot dog vendors in the world are in NYC. The best ones are making $500K per year. The best skilled, at anything, shouldn't have to have "fans" pay their way.

NYC cue dude said:

I can't tell you how disgusted I am in reading this thread. That there's a need for it, among professional players, is so terribly disheartening.

The best hot dog vendors in the world are in NYC. The best ones are making $500K per year. The best skilled, at anything, shouldn't have to have "fans" pay their way.

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That's what I was thinking when I read this. Time for me to go vomit. John B.

I've staked a handful of people not many. And in no way would I do it like this. I seen it in poker, where a guy could not even afford to cash in he had so many stakers once. He was already winner.

Stake only those you know and you feel you can completely trust sending to an event with 3-4k of your cash right near/at a casino.

I completely agree with mr. Brumback

Is AZB guaranteeing whatever this guy(player) makes that the said stake horses get their full return? Is AZB putting their neck on the line and guaranteeing this? Since most do not personally know the players at all, only know of them.

What happens the first time AZB brokers a behind the scene deal, then the player blows the stake horses money that's suppose to be returned?

I'm in

I would definitely stake a player in upcoming majors in the future.

Travel/Hotel/Per Diem covered....

What I would want in return.... 40% of earnings.

Who would I pick.... a hungry up and comer. Say someone who won the amateur
title at the SBX. That's a tough win. Any of the top four finishers in that event would be good choices imho.

I think it would be great if AZB came up with a format for those interested in backing players. Perhaps the format would offer community members a chance to bid on players who wish to participate.

Sounds like fun. Better than me trying to participate in a major and invest the money in myself. I don't like my odds.

NYC cue dude said:

I can't tell you how disgusted I am in reading this thread. That there's a need for it, among professional players, is so terribly disheartening.

The best hot dog vendors in the world are in NYC. The best ones are making $500K per year. The best skilled, at anything, shouldn't have to have "fans" pay their way.

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I knew a hot dog vendor. they work hard. Most pool players don't want to work hard.

Jerry Forsyth said:

Folks,

If anyone would like to get in on the action at Derby by being a stake-horse the opportunity is there. With the dearth of pool ahead players are looking to save on expenses any way possible. If you would like to stake a player at DCC please just post here or PM me with the following info:

1) What player or players would be of interest for you to stake?
2) What do you offer them? A) Hotel room B) Entry Fee C) Travel Expense D) ALL of this.
3) What do you want in return? For instance, do you want to stake a player to all of his expenses in exchange for 40% of his winnings in the event? That sort of thing. Just let me know the risk you are willing to take and what reward you wish for taking that risk.

I will contact the player and let them examine your answer and reply. Neither AZBilliards nor myself will expect or accept a fee for this service. It is free, just an opportunity for a willing buyer to meet a willing seller in an open marketplace.

PM me.

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Assuming your player cashes
The Backer would recoup ALL expenses off the top and split the white meat 50/50
Just curious about how it's done........

you're kidding, right?

i'd rather PAY them $1000 to play KK9.

better ROI for me.