8 Ball at the elite level

Preference while paying to watch elite level 8 Ball

  • I prefer to watch elite level 8 ball players grind it out and come with tough shots

    Votes: 47 70.1%

  • I prefer to watch elite level players shoot ducks and run cosmo outs over and over again

    Votes: 20 29.9%
  • Total voters
    67
  • Poll closed .
Hungarian

Hungarian

USA
Silver Member
Please vote in my preliminary.

Two options, one vote. Please be honest.

While paying money to sweat elite level 8 ball on a nine foot table would you prefer to see players that:

A.) Grind it out and have to come with tough and creative shots

or

B.) Shot ducks and run cosmos
 
Hungarian said:
Please vote in my preliminary.

Two options, one vote. Please be honest.

While paying money to sweat elite level 8 ball on a nine foot table would you prefer to see players that:

A.) Grind it out and have to come with tough and creative shots

or

B.) Shot ducks and run cosmos
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Hungarian:

The problem with this poll is the EXTREME bias you put in option B. I know you're passionate about the "take what you make" thing on the break, but you hard-wired the poll to condescend and make fun of those who want to opt for an open table after successfully pocketing a ball on the break.

Essentially, this poll is no better, and actually worse than the previous poll.

And just FYI, I voted for option A -- which I'm presuming to mean "take what you make" after the break.

-Sean
 
Yep, a loaded question...I voted for A anyway, but it could have been worded a little better...I doubt anything will get solved here--nothing ever is!!
 
Hmm... I personally think 8 ball should be a called shot game that opens the SAME WAY that straight pool opens, and once a ball is pocketed ... then the group is open until the next pocketed shot.

Waddia think about that! :yes:
 
no options

Just to disent a loaded question. As primarily an 8 ball player, I like watching run outs, patterns, etc. to see how it is done. They make it look easy and it is fun to watch.
 
I voted A, we are going to get heaps of tough shots on the TAR table even WITH "open off the break". The Action Room where people put their money where their mouth is laughed off the ease of running racks on the TAR table even with "open off the break" and there is a line of people around the block wanting to bet on less them 50% of the racks in the match being a break and run.

I don't even think the poll is that biased, on a box (Diamond or Valley) we actually do see the far too easy pro 8-ball and it is a little boring to watch the constant runs. This TAR table is going to be a totally different 8-ball beast that we have never see the pros play before.
 
I want to see pros play by recognized World Championship rules, and whatever happens, happens. Not sure which poll choice that falls under so I'll come back after the TAR match and vote then.
 
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Celtic said:
I voted A, we are going to get heaps of tough shots on the TAR table even WITH "open off the break". The Action Room where people put their money where their mouth is laughed off the ease of running racks on the TAR table even with "open off the break" and there is a line of people around the block wanting to bet on less them 50% of the racks in the match being a break and run.....This TAR table is going to be a totally different 8-ball beast that we have never see the pros play before.
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This is well said and well reasoned. I agree 100%.
 
Celtic said:
I voted A, we are going to get heaps of tough shots on the TAR table even WITH "open off the break". The Action Room where people put their money where their mouth is laughed off the ease of running racks on the TAR table even with "open off the break" and there is a line of people around the block wanting to bet on less them 50% of the racks in the match being a break and run.

I don't even think the poll is that biased, on a box (Diamond or Valley) we actually do see the far too easy pro 8-ball and it is a little boring to watch the constant runs. This TAR table is going to be a totally different 8-ball beast that we have never see the pros play before.
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I hope you are right but I'm not so sure. I'm hoping that the tighter pockets slow them down a bit. But I'm guessing they will be using a Magic Rack and I think that will give them such nice spreads off the break that the tighter pockets won't make that much difference.

My table plays slow and I don't break that good (plus I suck) but when I use the Magic rack I get such nice spreads. I'm sure these guys will get even better ones. I don't think 4 1/8 inch pockets are tight enough to slow down great players while playing 8 ball. I hope I'm wrong because I don't want them pockets to get any smaller.
 
I don't know what duck and run cosmos means but it sounds cool so I voted for it.

The guy who has won more cash playing 8 ball than anybody ever is Efren. He will burn you if you try to get into a safety battle with him.
 
I voted A because I'm totally against the needless slaughter of winged waterfowl :o!!!

Maniac (is cosmo outs like a marathon or sump'n???:wink:)
 
BasementDweller said:
I hope you are right but I'm not so sure. I'm hoping that the tighter pockets slow them down a bit. But I'm guessing they will be using a Magic Rack and I think that will give them such nice spreads off the break that the tighter pockets won't make that much difference.
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Anyone who thinks that and wants to bet on it as I said has a line around the block of people wanting to bet on under 50% runouts in the Action Room. I litterly basically got laughed at when I tried to get action on that...
 
Celtic said:
Anyone who thinks that and wants to bet on it as I said has a line around the block of people wanting to bet on under 50% runouts in the Action Room. I litterly basically got laughed at when I tried to get action on that...
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I'm not one of those guys that thinks all the pros run out every rack. I think you were the one that posted some stats from the IPT earlier today (if so thanks for that). Those numbers put the B&R percentages right around 35% I think. That sounded about right to me.

I think that number will hold up in this matchup. I don't think the tighter pockets are going to cause these players to miss a lot of balls but they will affect the safety play and what shots they go for, especially in the botched runout racks. I can envision some interesting scenarios were both guys have just a couple of balls left on the table and neither player wants to go for the runout.

Should be interesting.
 
Celtic said:
Anyone who thinks that and wants to bet on it as I said has a line around the block of people wanting to bet on under 50% runouts in the Action Room. I litterly basically got laughed at when I tried to get action on that...
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Celtic,
You are the only piece of work on here saying 50% is a meaningful %. No one in the world thinks the winning % could even get close to 50%. And sorry to inform you but, in general, 50% B&R on a bar box is harder achieve than 50% on a loose 9 footer. The real line is (+/-) 15% of the IPT results. Hope you don't find a sucker to take your line.
Cheers,
Hung
 
Hungarian said:
Celtic,
You are the only piece of work on here saying 50% is a meaningful %. No one in the world thinks the winning % could even get close to 50%. And sorry to inform you but, in general, 50% B&R on a bar box is harder achieve than 50% on a loose 9 footer. The real line is (+/-) 15% of the IPT results. Hope you don't find a sucker to take your line.
Cheers,
Hung
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Well that is fine, but why the heck was everyone arguing about it being way too easy then and how we should make it "take what you make" in order to add some difficulty and stop all those easy runouts?

If these guys are at a 35% B&R percentage then the game is not too easy for them as it is and we are going to see some tough hard fought 8-ball.
 
Celtic said:
Well that is fine, but why the heck was everyone arguing about it being way too easy then and how we should make it "take what you make" in order to add some difficulty and stop all those easy runouts?

If these guys are at a 35% B&R percentage then the game is not too easy for them as it is and we are going to see some tough hard fought 8-ball.
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I don't think the folks arguing against your position want to see 15% B&R let alone 35%. And I especially don't want to see half of the B&R's come from because the breaker gets bailed out and takes a duck opposite of what they made on the break. That's all.
 
People love to exaggerate how "Easy" it is to run out racks of 8 ball when it's open. But you can see the stats in black and white on the IPT site... nobody ran out 50% of their racks, most players failed to run out twice as often as they ran out. This particular pair only got out something like 20-25% of the time after breaking.

And to be honest, yes, I love seeing a nice runout, or break'n'run packages. Especially in 8 ball where there's always some cluster, or delicate position on the short side of a ball, or weaving through a bunch of traffic.
 
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