a HUGE let down...

Kickin' Chicken

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This is perhaps the polar opposite of the currently running thread; "Why I Love Pool".

I have been enjoying my good buddy's upscale pool hall/lounge for the past five years. There aren't enough serious pool players frequenting the club; as many of you know, the emphasis for these places in order to stay in the black, is they must sell their souls to a large extent to the likes of Karyoke (this doesn't look spelled right but I'm too lazy to look it up) and myriad other gimmicks to attract customers. The name of the game is pouring drinks, not table time! :rolleyes:

Aside from the usual small circle of good and/or serious players who come in, every once in a while some new blood strays in the door. A couple of months ago, the walking and talking definition of "old scuffer" came in. A few of the regulars knew him as he reportedly frequents another pool hall just a few miles away. I observed him playing some racks and it was easy to figure that at one time, he had a real good game. Now, even in his seventies, he looked like he was hovering around B level. I introduced myself and we ended up playing a couple of races. That particular night, my game was on and I was able to beat him with relative ease.

We chatted quite a bit about our pool lives and I was delighted to hear his stories describing a pool era gone by. He mixed it up with some legends like Liscotti, Matthews and Massey just to name a few. I felt genuinely honored to listen and learn what I could from this old timer (he's maybe just 20 years my senior - I'm 53) and I looked forward to when we would next get together. He indicated that he was tired of his regular hall and he expected he'd be coming to my buddy's place on a regular basis. I had visions of playing some fun sets with him and maybe having a beer or two while he shared some more great stories from the past.

Over the next few weeks we did see each other four or five times and we had some good sets as well as good conversation. When he wasn't playing, he was almost always working on his cues and even some house cues. :smile: His case was an old black, battle-scarred vinyl no-name with four added velcro straps that allowed him to carry two additional shafts. As I said, when he wasn't playing, he was on a couch scotchbriting, sanding, scuffing, shaping, tip-picking, etc., etc., etc. It was sort of comical yet endearing all at the same time. To be sure, a certain amount of his body chemistry was made up of master chalk and talcum powder. I liked this guy! :thumbup:

Sometime around week five I was talking with my pal Jimmy, the bar manager, and he tells me that a number of house cues were mysteriously missing their tips. I said "that's odd" and really didn't give it any more thought. That's until a few days later when another buddy Mike and I were chatting and the subject of the "Old Scuffer" came up and Mike said: "Oh yeah, he got kicked out of his old pool hall for boosting tips off of the house cues." He said he would remove them and keep them in a plastic sandwich bag in his case and he was caught. I said "WTF, are you kidding me?" He said wait, it get's worse. Mike said he was playing him at our club a week prior and noticed the cue he was playing with looked just like another friend of ours cue that was stolen from that other pool hall six months ago. And that this old man was suspected. Now he had the balls to be using the cue 3 miles from where he apparently stole it. And guess what? The old man also had our other friends break cue. Holy Crappasaurus! During their match, Mike excused himself to the bathroom and texted our friend Roy, who happened to be two towns over at the movies. Roy said don't take your eyes off him or my cues, I'll be there in ten minutes.

Roy shows up, makes his way to their table and says "WTF are you doing with my cues? Old man says, I bought 'em from some guy over at a pool hall in xyz town or wherever. Roy says, hand them over to me and so he does, and that was that. :angry:

My question: What in the hell do you do with somebody like this?

I believe I know the answer but am interested to hear your comments/suggestions.

Sorry for this story with its big ugly warts.

Best,
Brian kc
 
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Off with his head!

What do you do to a thief??? I rarely advocte violence, so I think your pool hall needs to ask for restitution and subsequently ban him. And spread the word to any respectable pool hall in the area.

As sympathetic as we may want to be to an old player with history, he's a stone cold chronic remorseless thief. Imagine what he's stolen that you don't know about and imagine what other acts of which he may be capable.

What a shame. Looks like Brian needs to revive his Match.com account again. :p ;)
 
Sad story.

I truly enjoy listening to the stories of the 'old timers' when they are telling them as well.

Either ban him, as mentioned earlier, or you need to babysit him to keep him honest.

The problem with a crook is, they are crafty.

How the heck was he removing house cue tips without someone seeing that? I can't even imagine... Tuck it under your shirt and take it to the bathroom stall?!?! I just don't get it?
 
What would he want with the old tips ? I don't understand that.

If he did in fact steal the mentioned cue or cues, this with the fact he was taking tips off of sticks and retaining them in a sandwhich bag, makes me think he needs help more than anything ! To be using the hot cues so close to where they were taken is another thing that says he doesn't quite know what he is doing.

Could be a mental breakdown of sorts.
 
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His stories about the old timers were probably bullcrap too.

He's a nit and needs to be treated as such.
 
What would he want with the old tips ? I don't understand that.

If he did in fact steal the mentioned cue or cues, this with the fact he was taking tips off of sticks and retaining them in a sandwhich bag, makes me think he needs help more than anything ! To be using the hot cues so close to where they were taken is another thing that says he doesn't quite know what he is doing.

Could be a mental breakdown of sorts.

Certainly.
 
OLDZILLA and PERSPICAZ....looks like we were thinking alike here.

Taking tips off house cues and keeping them with him is a fairly strange thing to do. I would definitely wonder if he was in his right mind or if something troubling happened to him recently like maybe losing a loved one. As disturbing as this is to read it's very possible that this is his reaction to something traumatic happening to him. It's not uncommon for behavior like this to show up as well as to get worse in someone basically crying out for help and of course it would show up in the places and situations he's most familiar with.

Of course, it could even be sadder as I could be wrong and he could just be some of the scum that we all know still exists around pool. I'd rather think at his age that he'd have learned to not s#!t on the pool community he plays with. Pool players are a tight knit bunch and even more connected these days. Not good to screw around as you never know who else is going to hear about it or where it would be broadcast.

Hope that guy figures things out before he has no where to turn. I also agree that he definitely needs to be kept an eye on initially to see if he changes his behavior but if this is just his character then the booting out the door might be the only option.

On a better note, I'm very happy to hear that your friends got their cues back. You don't hear that one very often but then again who steals a cue and then has the balls to play with it locally. That part is suspicious to me. Anyway that's my take on this.
 
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If it was just stealing the cues then I would think he was a scum, but taking the used tips off of house cues and carrying them all around in a plastic bag is definately a sign of a mental disorder. Maybe he's a klepto, maybe he's a hoarder, maybe he's reacting to something that happened recently to him ... who knows. He's definately one tuba player short of a marching band.
 
I went to go boating one day awhile ago. Got the boat in the water motoring around and the temp went up. Raised the outdrive to check for blockage at the water intakes.

Found the impeller cover and whole impeller had been stolen. The impeller is a water pump.

The point, there are a very few crimes that I'm a firm believer in instant justice. Finding someone stealing your stuff rates right up there. "Oh I'm sorry officer, but he must of trip or something."
 
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...Taking tips off house cues and keeping them with him is a fairly strange thing to do...

Obv, don't know if this is the case here, but there have been more than a few guys I know who have removed the tips from house cues for repairs- either using the tips elsewhere, or by then putting the tipless cues in the repair pile and 'fixing' them for the room that they came from...and getting paid for it too.

People do some crazy shit!
 
I've heard stranger stories than this. Nothing that people do surprises me anymore. As for me, when I found out about the guy, I would just steer clear of him. There are several people like that in L.A. I just avoid. I know they're bad news.
 
The fact that he tried to cover the cue theft by saying he bought the cue elsewhere sort of negates the mental illness theory. Had he said, "You mean these aren't my cues?" would have fit that notion more solidly. He's a thief, pure and simple.

And that's a shame.
 
Brian,

Never seen or heard of a situation like that before. We did have an older gentleman who frequented our pool room years ago. We all made a joke out of the fact he could fall asleep on one of the "bar" stools in the room. We also noted his appearance became more and more dis-jointed. One of the locals woke him up one day and took him to the hospital. The old guy had congestive heart failure and a bad case of it. We'd like to think our friend saved this guys life. He had no one looking out for him.

Not saying your case needs someone to step up and help the guy. It may be he is becoming somewhat senile and has no one to care for him. Or care about him. A quick check with the local police might turn up no history of petty crime. Just the effects of gettin older. We'll be there someday. On the other hand, this guy may be a habitual petty thief. JMHO.

Lyn
 
Thats too bad Brian. Make a new playing partner that can regale you with a few stories and find this out. From speaking with you I know you're a non judgmental person much the same as I. I can forgive as person their skeletons in the closet as we all have them but thievery is something I can't over look. If you can afford a bit of table time, you can afford a Le Pro tip and stealing cues or anything is beyond that.
 
Why isn't it plausible that he bought the cues from somebody else?

Why would he want to steal old tips off house cues?
 
Kickin Chicken asked what do you do to a guy like this ?.. One might take his picture with a cell phone and post it ...This would not only let him know that he will seen but someone else who had similar circumstances might remember him . I think it would serve the whole.
 
I wonder if he really didn't purchase the cues from someone else....at the previous place, where he mentioned he didn't enjoy it anymore and was searching for a new place to play, ran into you, etc...

The popping tips off house cues sounds a bit strange....maybe he was strumming up business for his new cue repair shop. :grin:


Steve H
 
Popping cue tips off dates back for years. There were few choices when a tip needed to be replaced. So instead might as well take off a good old used one. The main reason other than being free, it was already broke in -- like a dud. If they had several tips one would probably fit the ferrule and needed very little trimming. Since they were usually done by hand it was a lot easier.

I don't know what this guy had in mind but since he is older this could be the reason. I know some guys (not me of course):D that use to do this.

Rod
 
Just don't vouch for him in any way. Then people will come down on you. Don't play the "But come on, he's a nice guy!" with everyone else. It'll only come back to bite you.
 
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