A Nit Or Not A Nit..

[maha]

tin man plays very slowly but within the rules. that is the important point. if they want him to play faster they would tell him.
to stop slow play that is too slow is to put a shot clock on the slow players or ask them to play faster or not come back.
each person has his own definition of slow play.

 

[pvc lou]

lol. I got nothing against the tin man. He really seems like a great person. I just find him too tedious to read or watch play.

 

[Get_A_Grip]

I would say that if you only brushed the 10-ball with the Magic Rack (MR) then it was a nit move. If you moved the 10-ball when you hit it with the MR, I would say calling a foul isn't really a nit move, because you said that the 2-ball was close to the 10-ball. A slight movement could have affected the game.

This incident brought what happened to me this year at the State Tournament to mind. They only had 1 Ref for a huge room full of probably 80 pool tables. So while the rules say that for a close call you should call the Ref over by waving the red flag under the pool table, it really isn't practical in many situations.

I'd still like to think that this is an honorable game and that a player should call a foul on themselves. My opponent decided to shoot a touchy safety and as he calls "safe" I started approaching the table so I could see the shot better, but he shot it before I got close and before I had a chance to evaluate the shot and call a Ref over. His object ball rolled off a bit and wobbled towards the rail, so I asked him it anything hit a rail. He said the object ball did. My friend was sitting literally right down the rail and when I came back to my seat my friend told me that 100% nothing hit the rail. My opponent cheated.

Later on he was going to shoot an easy safety and I jumped up and told him that I'm called a Ref. He asked why, this is an easy one, I told him that my friend clearly saw that nothing hit the rail on his last safety. And he says, "The 11-ball wobbled towards the rail." -- almost acknowledging that it didn't actually hit the rail. The sad thing was his cheating in that game helped him beat me. He got ball in hand after that safety and ran out. I should have gotten ball in hand and I would have won that game and been up 4-2 going to 5. Instead he ended-up winning the match and getting into the money.

So while having a Ref available, if a player will do anything to win including cheating, it's not a sure thing that a Ref at the event will help you.

 

[SBC]

I'd just say I didn't move anything and keep shooting.

The best way to handle a nit is to be a bigger nit.

 

[The_JV]

figured....

 

[maha]

as a player you have the right to ask the shooter to stop and wait so you can go over and see the shot. if you say nothing and stroll over it may be too late.
many players playing to win will take all options to win that they can get away with. it is your job to keep him from do that.

 

[JusticeNJ]

I mean if this was specifically covered in the player's meeting as Tin Man stated, you should've complained then, not after you broke the rule clearly covered in the player's meeting. I don't agree with the rule, personally. Removing the template rack is sui generis in pool - I don't think players should be penalized if they can't perform the Magic Rack Removal Surgery procedure without hitting a ball.

But, again, if you were on notice of this exact situation, and decided to do something different, you can't fault the guy for calling a foul on you. And if you skipped the player's meeting or weren't paying attention, same result.

 

[lfigueroa]

What I have learned in life is that, for certain events, there is no move too low.

At a state tournament event, back in my younger, more callow days I assumed my opponent would always give me a fair rack. That is until I fired at the biggest slug rack of all time where nothing, nada moved.

I became much more of a realist after that event. So I would suggest that you always act as if your opponent is going to be the biggest nit of all time. You'll be a happier person.

Lou Figueroa

 

[Quesports]

Pool makes people nits...

 

[Maniac]

Pool makes people nits...

Broke ones at that!

 

[The_JV]

What I have learned in life is that, for certain events, there is no move too low.

At a state tournament event, back in my younger, more callow days I assumed my opponent would always give me a fair rack. That is until I fired at the biggest slug rack of all time where nothing, nada moved.

I became much more of a realist after that event. So I would suggest that you always act as if your opponent is going to be the biggest nit of all time. You'll be a happier person.

Lou Figueroa

If people think calling a foul in a clearly enforced all ball foul tournament is a nit move. How about CB foul only and your opponent takes the opprotunity to block your shot after you brush a OB near the CB..?...lol

I've had this done to me twice by "pros".... ...and these weren't close calls, but flat out deceitful moves.

On the upside, I learnt to take responsibility for my own actions, and to expect the worst from my opponents.

 

[middleofnowhere]

I don't call fouls like that one. I also tell my opponent if they happen to be lined up on the incorrect ball.
I care less about the rules than I do integrity.

I played in the event as well. The tournament director had a player's meeting Friday night. He really wanted this to be a professional event so we played all ball fouls and we had 4 referees arms length away at all times. He set the rules that removing the magic rack was a foul if a ball was touched and that we were to ask a referee to do this. There was NEVER a delay with this request.

I'll admit it is unusual. Usually when I play all ball fouls my opponent and I make a gentleman's agreement not to call fouls on each other when removing a template. If there are multiple balls in the rack area and there is any chance it will impact play then we get the ref, if not we just peel it and no big deal. But at this event the refs and TD said that wasn't ok. Even if we agreed on that the ref could step in, call foul, and pick up the cue ball. This was how they were told to enforce the rules. So when I played I asked a ref to pull the magic rack.

In the end the TD makes the rules and we play by them. Anytime something differs from what we normally do it seems like it is wrong. Remember when they played the tournament where every 10 ball had to be called, no matter how easy, and multiple pros lost matches because they shot a 10 ball straight into the corner but forgot to call it? This is no different. Go to the player's meeting and make sure you cover your bases when you compete. There is always an odd rule to adjust to and it's your job as a competitor to adjust. If you don't it's not the rule's fault or your opponent's fault, it's yours.

If people think calling a foul in a clearly enforced all ball foul tournament is a nit move. How about CB foul only and your opponent takes the opprotunity to block your shot after you brush a OB near the CB..?...lol

I've had this done to me twice by "pros".... ...and these weren't close calls, but flat out deceitful moves.

On the upside, I learnt to take responsibility for my own actions, and to expect the worst from my opponents.

In fouls on the CB only, i think you have the option of replacing the OB ball back to where it was it was or leaving it.

 

[The_JV]

In fouls on the CB only, i think you have the option of replacing the OB ball back to where it was it was or leaving it.

Typically the opponent has the option of placement. In the situations I commented on, they both took the opprotunity to snooker me. Which wasn't remotely close to the original position of the CB.

I thought that was made clear. My apologies if it wasn't.

 

[buckshotshoey]

Even in cue ball only rules I will ask my opponent to come help or at least watch if I think there is a chance to move a ball while removing the template. Its no different than having a ref or fellow player (if no ref is available) watch a questionable shot even if I am the one shooting. Too many people like to call fouls on close but good hits to get back to the table. If it happens to you once it should never happen again, if it does its because you failed.

I do the same, but for a different reason. Because it's the rules. If it's going to be a close hit and your opponent does not call for a ref or someone indifferent to watch the shot, the call always goes to the shooter. So just to avoid all that, I call for a watch even if the opponent doesn't care.

 

[easy-e]

I think "nit" is possibly the dumbest insult ever. It seems to be used to describe anything someone doesn't like nowadays.
-He quit after one set, what a nit!
-He called a foul for something stupid, what a nit!
-He's soft breaking, what a nit!

The only thing dumber than calling a person a nit, is getting offended by being called a nit.

 

[buckshotshoey]

It was a punk ass move for sure. Some people on here would clearly make the same punk ass move...it is what it is.

God damn right I would. It's a fuckin rule! And when it came down to money, you would too. If an opponent talked to me about it first, then we could work it out together. I would expect someone to call the foul on me. So I would talk to the opponent first. If an agreement can be reached we wait for a referee. It's that freaking simple

 

[buckshotshoey]

Calling this foul is slightly above calling a foul for not marking the 8 ball pocket. Just barely.

Patching the pocket for the 8-ball is an APA rule. If you don't like the rules, don't play. It really is that simple. Really cracks me up that people think they can change the rules to suit them.

 

[The_JV]

I mean if this was specifically covered in the player's meeting as Tin Man stated, you should've complained then, not after you broke the rule clearly covered in the player's meeting. I don't agree with the rule, personally. Removing the template rack is sui generis in pool - I don't think players should be penalized if they can't perform the Magic Rack Removal Surgery procedure without hitting a ball.

But, again, if you were on notice of this exact situation, and decided to do something different, you can't fault the guy for calling a foul on you. And if you skipped the player's meeting or weren't paying attention, same result.

Agree with this 100%... all the other opinions tossing 'nit' around are internet bravado.

 

[middleofnowhere]

I think "nit" is possibly the dumbest insult ever. It seems to be used to describe anything someone doesn't like nowadays.
-He quit after one set, what a nit!
-He called a foul for something stupid, what a nit!
-He's soft breaking, what a nit!

The only thing dumber than calling a person a nit, is getting offended by being called a nit.

I usually associate a "Nit" with gambling. Someone who only plays when he has a lock. Often he accusses the other player of being afraid to gamble in what is obviously one sided game.

They will never knowingly play a fair game. If they should play a game by accident that turns out to be even, next time they are asking for weight. They are not worth dealing with.

 

[pvc lou]

God damn right I would. It's a fuckin rule! And when it came down to money, you would too. If an opponent talked to me about it first, then we could work it out together. I would expect someone to call the foul on me. So I would talk to the opponent first. If an agreement can be reached we wait for a referee. It's that freaking simple.

If you were me, then I'd be you, and I'd use your body to move the 10 ball back to where it was...no foul. So you can't win no matter who you are!



(Edit: just to be clear buckshotshoey...that was supposed to be funny. I'm not trying to start a fight.

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