You don’t. But you can‘t always know for certain that the nice used watch that you just bought wasn’t illegally obtained either, can you? I think we agree that banning watches wouldn’t make sense...ok so answer me this....
There are two tusks. One illegally obtained, the other from an elephant that died of natural causes....
Blah blah blah, yada yada... two ferrules are in circulation. Which one is illegal and how do you determine it from the other...?
Well if you cared enough you could run the serial number of that nice watch and at the least discover if it had been stolen or a replica.You don’t. But you can‘t always know for certain that the nice used watch that you just bought wasn’t illegally obtained either, can you? I think we agree that banning watches wouldn’t make sense...
In the case of ivory, we can require that cue makers who use ivory obtain it through a process that ensures that it was sourced responsibly, that they maintain the records to prove that, and that each cue/shaft with ivory is accompanied by documentation to show the source.
Don‘t throw the baby out with the bath water.
I wouldn’t be so sure. Some states have tried to mandate that inoperative vehicles over a certain age be confiscated & scrapped.I have three cues and I have no idea if they have ivory. I don't disagree with the ban but cues built pre-ban should be grandfathered. If the leftists ban the internal combustion engine I'm sure it will only apply to new cars.
Like Uranium? Gubmnet...lolSo the only other option from a government stand point is to control it's distribution.
At one time I would have called that impossible but I'm not so sure any more.I wouldn’t be so sure. Some states have tried to mandate that inoperative vehicles over a certain age be confiscated & scrapped.
Your Florida boomer world of “everything is so simple if you just do as I say” is fascinating. So basically....just so you can justify having ivory in your cue that serves no purpose.....you want to create a whole new bureaucracy to show which ivory was legal. Documentation does nothing to dissuade poachers and can easily be forged, but hey....at least you get your ivory inlays! That baby needs to be drowned in the bath water.You don’t. But you can‘t always know for certain that the nice used watch that you just bought wasn’t illegally obtained either, can you? I think we agree that banning watches wouldn’t make sense...
In the case of ivory, we can require that cue makers who use ivory obtain it through a process that ensures that it was sourced responsibly, that they maintain the records to prove that, and that each cue/shaft with ivory is accompanied by documentation to show the source.
Don‘t throw the baby out with the bath water.
No, Jeff Livingston....he’s just an old fart.David is trying to help you learn about basic economics and what banning a thing does, vs. outlawing human actions. Reading some Mises might help your understanding.
He may be an old fart, but he's smart. A guy oughta look into what he says.
Jeff Livingston
An old fart who is a very successful businessman.No, Jeff Livingston....he’s just an old fart.
Not Jeff Livingston
What are you going on about?No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
see where that might apply to this quote; "Proving what one has or has sold is legal is nearly impossible."
But reality...IOW, if we farmed elephants for ivory there would be plenty of elephants and ivory.
The updated SUPER strict rules didn't go into effect until after EG's arrest but he still would have had to prove that he bought it prior to the 1990 cut-off date. I don't see how he was robbed of due process. Cuemakers have known the rules on ivory use for years. I remember when Verl Horn loaded up just prior to the 1990 deal. He bought a bunch of tusks and proceeded to make a bunch of ivory loaded cues. https://www.cornerstonecues.com/product/verl-horn/What are you going on about?
Do you think the court that tried ernie had no jurisdiction, or is it that a defendant shouldn't provide a defense?
Mammoths still exist, last time I was in Oregon I saw a Bigfoot riding one along the Umpqua river....true story.So I guess nobody wants to see the ivory handle cues I’m building lol.
Some states are so incredibly stupid they have even banned mammoth ivory. Worried those mammoths are gonna go extinct? I think it happened thousands of years ago.
How's this for simple: you have to have documentation of when you bought it. Go to school if you can't understand that. Its been that way since '90 when the first ban went into effect.Wow, it's so simple but I'll try again. ivory is all legal unless proven otherwise. The burden on proof is on the accuser. Simple enough?
I like elephants too! If I have 500 tusks and for arguments sake they are pre ban the government will go nuts trying to make me prove it. good so far? It is there burden to prove. it's not my burden! if you understand english you get this concept. if not go to school and take English class. Simple thought melting minds. Kinda funny actually. THIS USED TO BE AMERICA. now it's a place for love and sunshine... I hate poachers killing elephants. I don't care for government overreach cuz it's for the children an the elephants an the earth an my ASS.
How's this for simple: you have to have documentation of when you bought it. Go to school if you can't understand that. Its been that way since '90 when the first ban went into effect.
So everyone with an ivory inlay or bit of ivory in a cue or piano or whatever needs a paper trail? No. "This" is RETARDED. The micro managing is out of control and out of touch with reality. Really the they're just punishing the evil people who dare to have some legitimately. Not to mention make a whole new class of criminals to make themselves feel good.How's this for simple: you have to have documentation of when you bought it. Go to school if you can't understand that. Its been that way since '90 when the first ban went into effect.
Have you played with Ivory? I believe the wood ferrule is just has good if not better. A life of an elephant is more important than a game.Ivory ferrule are easy to keep clean. They're also really heavy and make the cb squirt like all get out. I like Tomahawk as far as modern stuff goes.