Archer's View on Diamond tables

I'm a brand new player with very little experience... and I do play league 8 ball and 9 ball on GC tables weekly... but the best pool tables I have ever played on are a set of 4 Diamond tables, delivered and set up by Mister Real King Cobra, at a pub near my home.

When I grow up, I want a Diamond table, delivered by RKC himself, adorning my home pool room.

Just sayin'.
 
I dont know if anyone KNOWS exactly why balls skid, It has been a
mystery for a long time. I have heard snooker players say that
it is also a mystery to them
 
Archer's View on... 12-29-2010 08:48 AM realkingcobra Get your facts straight before you start posts like this!!!

I cant believe this shit. I had no statement, simply gave you Johnny words and "I dont have my facts straight" What an idiot/
 
Just two observations with no conclusions:

1. It is easier to play on a Gold Crown after playing on a Diamond than the other way around.

2. I really like Blue Diamond chalk because it has more abrasion but have experienced a lot more skid since using it.
 
Ding...Ding...Ding...we have a winner. I also think it's the pockets leaving material behind on the objects balls. Probably a bigger factor on fresher equipment.

Nick


DogsPlayingPool said:
My understanding is that skidding occurs usually because some foreign substance (chalk, dirt, etc.) at the point of contact of the two balls causes the two balls to "lock up" so to speak. This usually results in a shot that appears to have been hit too full.

If it happens on Diamonds more often the other tables, particularly GC's, I'm thinking perhaps the reason is the marks put on the balls by the dyed leather pockets.
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Main Event said:
I am not buying this one. Has anyone in life ever seen a static charge come from any billiard ball they have every played? NO
Billiard balls are made from a phenolic resin I believe. Phenolic resin would be an insulator not a conductor.
I guess it's possible for moisture, dirt, or chalk on the outside of the ball to pick up some static electricity but there again you are getting back to humidity, dirty balls, dirty table conditions which is what all most everyone believes what causes skids to happen and I did not need a European group to figure that one out.
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I'm not a scientist or an engineer....but I was at a match when Jimmy
White was getting an inordinate amount of skids..or 'kicks' as the snooker
players call them.
The ref was using white nylon gloves.One of the sponsors exchanged them
for white cotton gloves.
The skids stopped.
The sponsor felt the problem was static electricity.

Would like to hear what Dr Dave or Bob Jewett feel about this.
 
joelpope said:
I have personally heard a number of top ranked touring pros complain about Diamonds. I believe they do it "below the radar" out of respect for the contributions Diamond makes to the tour

Gold Crown is their table of choice
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they will complain about any table.
 
tryhonesty07 said:
I was watching the 2010 DCC 14.1 challenge tonight and specifically Johnny Archers 146 ball run. What ended the run appeared to be a ball skidding, which resulted in him missing a shot in the side pocket. After this, he starting talking about the shot.... then says "thats why these are the worst tables ever built" and goes on to say something about Gold Crowns that I was unable to hear. This is the first time I've ever heard a top pro dog Diamond like that. Just thought I would share.
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I can say with confidence i know JA nowdays good as anyone here, his opinion has sofened up a bit. I'll leave it at that.
 
gunzby said:
I could very well be wrong (not the first time), but I can't see how the table could be the cause of ball skid and if it were it would be on the very bottom of the list. I would say that dirty balls, dirty cloth, fuzz and humidity would cause a skid miles before a table would.
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Dude, have you seen Archer play? Dirty or fuzzy anything is not within 10 feet of a table he plays on. In fact I can swear one time his table was so clean, he had to go to the table next to him and pick some stuff off that.
 
poolhustler said:
Wondering if Glen will chime in here?? Maybe he's on the road.

Also wondering if Diamond is considering changing their pocket design?

Everyone I know who has a Diamond table complains about the pockets.
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the pockets play real good.
sometimes the rails bounce to hard
but i like the way the pockets play.
 
tryhonesty07 said:
I was watching the 2010 DCC 14.1 challenge tonight and specifically Johnny Archers 146 ball run. What ended the run appeared to be a ball skidding, which resulted in him missing a shot in the side pocket. After this, he starting talking about the shot.... then says "thats why these are the worst tables ever built" and goes on to say something about Gold Crowns that I was unable to hear. This is the first time I've ever heard a top pro dog Diamond like that. Just thought I would share.
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He was just kicking the dog. Forget it.

Diamonds are fine tables. They are buckets, really, perfect for straight pool. If the world only had Diamonds in it, we would all quickly adapt and at least there would be some uniformity in the pool world. Right now the variation in equipment for competitive players is a joke.

Chris
 
glen fixed the rails on my Diamond, it dosent play like any Diamond its a whole different thing now and its a great box, before Glen fixed it, the rails were too bouncy, the pocets are cut ok, I dont like the deep shelf its a 60/40 shelf, i like 50/50 shelfs.
 
old players seem to like GC's better, young guys like Diamonds better. As a general rule, there are things about both boxes I like/dislike, however the one Glen fixed for me blows away any GC ever
 
i think there are a lot of misconceptions about skids myself. i think the reasoning behind them makes sense, yet..... a few years ago i had a brand new set of brunswick centennials..... when i threw them on the table i saw more skids than ive ever seen.... when they presumably dirtied up, the skids were nowhere to be seen. so i have no idea why, just stating what i saw.
 
TATE said:
He was just kicking the dog. Forget it.

Diamonds are fine tables. They are buckets, really, perfect for straight pool. If the world only had Diamonds in it, we would all quickly adapt and at least there would be some uniformity in the pool world. Right now the variation in equipment for competitive players is a joke.

Chris
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Simonis cloth sucks nowdays, they are cutting all the nap off the 860, go find a 10 year old piece of 860 and compair it to the new 860. Its totally different, we get so many skids in Vegas it ruins playing 1P when you have 3 skids/game. the ONLY time it dosent skid is for the first 45-60 after its wiped down and vaacuumed, The old 860 wasnnt that way. the table has zero to do with the ball skidding
 
TATE said:
He was just kicking the dog. Forget it.

Diamonds are fine tables. They are buckets, really, perfect for straight pool. If the world only had Diamonds in it, we would all quickly adapt and at least there would be some uniformity in the pool world. Right now the variation in equipment for competitive players is a joke.

Chris
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Chris

If there were a dominant tour, everything would standardize, rules, equipment, everything. Plus, what fun that would be. Anyway, I'll dream on.

For my money, not that it means a thing, that's what FatBoy should be doing, starting a dominant and unifying tour, but I guess he's just not feeling adventurous.

I've got plans for everybody! LOL

Thanks

Kevin
 
I would love to play on a Diamond with new rails. Turning Stone had a Blue logo, I think the new ones are red. Is that correct?
 
I play on a GC with 3030 tour edition and my clean centennials skip quite a bit. So its not just simonis....
 
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