Bad ending to a long game

Bad Action But Easy Money

I would go back with "Bubba" and tell this guy he's your stakehorse. Make sure Bubba is like "Charlie the Ape" was. He could also be the Referee.
 
Whenever I run across some jacka$$ who messes with my mojo, I think to myself:

There are those that give to the game, and those that take.

The takers need the givers, but the givers don't need the takers.

Who's your daddy now? :)
 
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THANKS THANKS THANKS to all of you. I left there unhappy last night. Unhappy I played so long and didn't win anything. And with the terrible feeling you have when your adrenaline is pumping hard and you nearly come to blows with someone. I WAS SO PISSED!

A lot of good advice on here. Hu is right. I need time to calm down and think about it awhile. Once upon a time I would have done exactly what Crawfish said, gone back and high rolled him. I know the move. But I'm a different man today. I'm not playing for my rent money anymore. I play pool because I like it and I like the competition.

I have to tell you that when we were playing, I would take my turn and after I'm done, sit or stand away from the table and not say boo. Often when I was shooting he would be sitting or standing near the table talking to someone. His little shark move. He accused me of playing too slow, because one time when he was having an animated converation with a girl, and they were directly in my line of sight, I sat down and waited for them to stop. HE KNEW what he was doing because the conversation soon ended.

Jef knows who I'm talking about because he was still there when the game started. And I appreciate what he has to say about this guy. I don't really know him that well. But I know him much better now. By the way Jef was a complete gentleman when we played and didn't get upset because I quit after only a few games. I asked him to play One Pocket and he declined and we were cool. We sat and talked for some time with his friend Ron, and had a very nice conversation.

After Jef left many people were sweating our game and they were all friends or associates of the other guy. He's in there every day. I had no one there with me, but that didn't bother me a bit. That's old news for me. When I told him loudly enough for everyone to hear that he was a crybaby, I heard a few of his "buddies" laughing. I think I hit close to home on that one.
 
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jay helfert said:
THANKS THANKS THANKS to all of you. I left there unhappy last night. I'm not playing for my rent money anymore. I play pool because I like it and I like the competition.

Jay, I think you may have answered your own question...:)
 
ShootingArts said:
Jay,

You know better than anyone else what you should do. Let it cool a week or so and make a decision with a calm head. You can decide whether it is not worth the bother or if you want to go bust him. If you decide to bust him I would go with enough bread to high roll him and some back-up.

Hu

Bingo. If you go then go w/$$$ and with muscle... ya never know.
 
You know a lot more about pool than me, and you certainly don't need my advice. But, since the guy was being a hardhead, I'm sure you know a player or two that he wouldn't recognize who wouldn't mind playing $1,000 freeze out. If he has to get mad before he ups the stakes, that's easy to arrange.
 
Some problems with the Jay,s post

Deleted reread Jays post and answered some of my own questions
 
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bad action

Jay, as so many have already said....you already know; but bad action is just that....why would anyone play anyone who is "bad action"? To teach him a lesson? To make money? To gain revenge? To show him up? I don't get my ego involved in any case, it's not worth whatever I might gain.....
 
JMO, crybaby's suck. All of their whining stories and complaints about everything all have one thing in common - I don't want to hear it.

I would have offered him the same exact game that you had to win the $120 with - nothing more. If he had a problem with that, tell him to go get f%$*ed and walk out the door. If he wants some throw down, a kick to the nuts, a rake and a poke to the eyes followed by a Kimura on his shooting arm would have definitely been appropriate. If that had happened, by now the word on the street would be that "nobody messes with Toupee Jay without sacrificing their stroking arm."

All kidding aside, Jay - go back in there in about a week and let him woof at you, then don't play him. Let him know he's a crybaby and that he's $hitty action for anybody. That'll piss him off even worse, and IMO - that would be fair. After that, play someone else and dump $100 just for $hits and giggles.
 
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1pRoscoe said:
I call that good shitty action.... You like the game, but you really just don't want to deal with the person and what may ensue dependent upon his attitude.... The next time you do play him (if you do), your thoughts will be different and not enojy it as much as you think you may.

I'd leave him be if it were me....

-Ross
has had that happen before...


My thoughts exactly, let it go and don't look back.

I am waiting for your call to play, by the way!!!!

:D

Russ........
 
jay helfert said:
I hesitate to post this but here goes. I met Black Jeff in a nearby pool hall yesterday to play some Eight Ball on a bar table. We played for 20 a game and he beat me out of three games. I just couldn't seem to get the speed of the table so I quit.

I was leaving and I asked if anyone wanted to play One Pocket. Up steps the house champion who will remain nameless. He says he will play, so I say okay. He flips a coin and then asks me how much. I ask him what he usually plays for and he says 20 or 40 a game. I tell him 40 is fine. Off we go. I get ahead a game or two and it's back and forth. He shoots straighter on these very tight (less than 4") tables and I outmove him.

He is breaking with a kick shot into the pack. I told him on his first break he must get a rail after contact and he agrees. Finally about the fourth or fifth time he breaks no ball gets to a rail, and I call it on him. He argues with me, but finally agrees it's a foul. We finish the game but he continues to complain that he NEVER fouls when he breaks that way. I asked him if he thought I was making a move on him and he says no, but I made a mistake. I remind him a couple of times that I was standing right next to the table when he broke and I could see all the balls quite well. P.S. HE FOULED! A couple of balls did get within an inch or two of the rail.

I continue to play because I am ahead but I no longer am enjoying this game. He brings up the "bad call" several more times, especially after I win a game. We have played five hours and my feet are hurting bad. I have flat feet and am wearing sandals. I tell him I don't want to play much longer and he asks me if I'm going to quit winners. I tell him I'd like to come back and finish tomorrow and we can play for 50 a game. Nothing doing he says, let's keep playing. Okay then, I'll give him a chance to get his money back and we can play one game for all he owes me (only $120 at the time). And he's breaking, so he has an edge.

By the way, this place is crowded with kids, the music is blaring and we have to deal with a crowded conditions from the table next to us (a bunch of young people partying). I fade all this because I have a tough game which I like, but now I'm just done! Finally he agrees to play one game double or nothing. And he wins the last game, so we are even. He proceeds to tell me one more time about my bad call. I tell him he is a crybaby. He gets in my face and says "what did I say?" I tell him loudly now that he is a crybaby. I say that game was a long time ago and he should have dropped it then. It nearly comes to blows. And he is half my age, but not much bigger than me. All I can say about that is I was ready.

A louder argument ensues and he tells me he wants to play me for a hundred a game or freeze up $1,000. It becomes an ego thing and I tell him be careful what you ask for, you may get it. I truly believe I can beat this guy, but I left so aggravated that I don't care about playing him again. I actually feel like if I had won that last game for $240 we would have had a bigger argument and I may have had trouble getting paid. Just a gut instinct based on how he acted.

I'm sorry for this long story. I'm just not sure right now how to handle this, so I'm asking for advice. He plays good and it's a tough game for me. But I like the challenge, I just don't need the aggravation. I have a feeling that now if we play, it won't be much fun. It has become personal, if you know what I mean. I don't really need his money. I'm unsure how to proceed at this point, maybe I'm still a little upset.

Thanks for listening to my little tale of woe.


If I don't need the $ I wouldn't fade the aggravation. Been lucky and havn't needed $ for a while.

I'd leave the idiot alone.
 
If I read it right you came out even with the money. It did cost you a few hours of your time. I would chalk it up as getting to know this guy and moving on to a game with someone else that you can enjoy. In my younger days I would have gone back to play him again...even hoping for a reason to deck his ass. But the last 10 or 15 I guess I mellowed a bit. I wouldn't back down if he got in my face, but I try not to put myself in those positions anymore. Just chalk it up to he's an ass****. Johnnyt
 
Hi Jay.
I think the waiting game is a good move. However, I would play him again since I like grudge matches, makes me focus more for some reason. Should you play him again, make him bet it BIG!
 
This guy shoots straight as an arrow, pulls bs moves and wants to fight over a foul call? That sounds like terrible action.
 
Blackjack said:
JMO, crybaby's suck. All of their whining stories and complaints about everything all have one thing in common - I don't want to hear it.

I would have offered him the same exact game that you had to win the $120 with - nothing more. If he had a problem with that, tell him to go get f%$*ed and walk out the door. If he wants some throw down, a kick to the nuts, a rake and a poke to the eyes followed by a Kimura on his shooting arm would have definitely been appropriate. If that had happened, by now the word on the street would be that "nobody messes with Toupee Jay without sacrificing their stroking arm."

All kidding aside, Jay - go back in there in about a week and let him woof at you, then don't play him. Let him know he's a crybaby and that he's $hitty action for anybody. That'll piss him off even worse, and IMO - that would be fair. After that, play someone else and dump $100 just for $hits and giggles.

Thanks man, you made me laugh and I needed that today. I don't know why, but I was feeling kinda down, like I did something wrong.
 
wahcheck said:
Jay, as so many have already said....you already know; but bad action is just that....why would anyone play anyone who is "bad action"? To teach him a lesson? To make money? To gain revenge? To show him up? I don't get my ego involved in any case, it's not worth whatever I might gain.....

You really pushed every button there. I've played for all those reasons before, and it hasn't always been fun either. Thanks for the straight talk.

We used to call it a "hot score" when you beat a guy like that. If you can take the heat, play him. I'm not so sure I'm up to it anymore. Same thing often happens in poker games. One or more guys gets very hostile and starts talking a lot of crap. That's when I quit the game, no matter how I'm doing. Who needs the aggravation?
 
I love to match up in a friendly game, but so often things end up like this. I'm very careful about who I play any more. It sounds like if you won the last set you would have had real problems. All this over breaking even? I'd never play him again.

If you win and its no fun, its like a job.

If you lose and its no fun, what's the point?
 
Jay, I don't know how old you are, but I imagine we're somewhere around the same age. I'm 56, and I know that I'm too old for that stuff. BAAAADDDDD action ! You're supposed to be a fearsome player, and GREAT action! From everything I've read I'm sure that you are. I'd love to meet you and talk about the players we've both known, and play some too.

That being said, it's too late in the game for racing down the highway in that Vette convertible and running out the back door of places. Now the players should come to you, where you're safe and people got your back. F*** that guy ! He's a punk. In Detroit he'd be headed for the dentist, if not the morgue ! They don't play that here. All the best and stay safe...Tom
 
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