In my usual lurking ways, I've noticed that many posters on here don't appreciate bar table play nearly as much as they do as big box play. Let me tell you, 9-ball on the bar table can be type of jokish at times, but there are some undercover monsters out there that not just can, but do play better than most top tier pros on the little track. I don't want to start a woof-fest about betting an imaginary $10,000 that has no substance to the claim, and I definately don't want anyone outed. There definately has to be some knowledge by more experienced players with what I'm talking about here. I've lived in a few states in my 22 years on Earth, and I've been lucky enough to gain very critical information regarding wolrd class bar table play. I don't play world class, but let me tell you, there are so many more moves for jam-up runouts and lockdown safeties than what 90% of the pool world realizes. To get slightly off topic in my own thread, I have met, befriended, and sometimes ran around with absolutely stone cold bar table killers who I won't out, but their knowledge and insight into small table theory is seriously astounding. Many of the moves are so complex and ingenious that one pocket players don't see them so easily. Now I know that most of the moves are used on the stall when the out seems too difficult for stall play, but if you ever study or are lucky enough to run around with any of these small track killers, count yourself lucky, because what you can learn is invaluable. Believe me, the big track champions don't always have to be the favorite when playing a world-class bar tabler.